How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

Icyseanfitz · 19-09-2020 12:05PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If the “wet pubs” enforce the guidelines they should make no more difference than food pubs or restaurants. It’s up to people to police it. If your local is not enforcing guidelines go elsewhere that is. If reasonable people do this, the pubs that have clear adherence to guidelines will do better and more of them will come on board. The problem is Irish people in general will sit drinking in the less well managed establishments and the bitch that no one is doing anything about it

:pac: yeah, that's not going to happen

Smacruairi · 19-09-2020 01:54PM

Will Yam wrote: »

Of course visitors aren’t allowed in a hospital. I’m not allowed into local school if I pick up the kids there.

Quite rightly so too.

"of course". So you understand the need for restrictions. Therefore you should understand the need for restrictions in schools. Grand,thanks,no help us push for them.

19-09-2020 02:23PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

:pac: yeah, that's not going to happen

There in a nutshell is why we have the problem we do currently, and Scandinavia is doing so well. If the guards aren’t raiding all the pubs and house parties daily, we feel ourselves free to do as we wish, but blame the government when it all goes to ****.

Blondini · 19-09-2020 02:38PM

Deleted User wrote: »

There in a nutshell is why we have the problem we do currently, and Scandinavia is doing so well. If the guards aren’t raiding all the pubs and house parties daily, we feel ourselves free to do as we wish, but blame the government when it all goes to ****.

I agree with you.

Icyseanfitz · 19-09-2020 02:40PM

Deleted User wrote: »

There in a nutshell is why we have the problem we do currently, and Scandinavia is doing so well. If the guards aren’t raiding all the pubs and house parties daily, we feel ourselves free to do as we wish, but blame the government when it all goes to ****.

I agree with you, a lot of people in this country can't understand covid, why it needs to be fought with certain measures, and why sectors like education need massive government/societal work done to ensure the safety of all.
All of that in no way means it's going to happen though.

byhookorbycrook · 19-09-2020 02:41PM

Deleted User wrote: »

There in a nutshell is why we have the problem we do currently, and Scandinavia is doing so well. If the guards aren’t raiding all the pubs and house parties daily, we feel ourselves free to do as we wish, but blame the government when it all goes to ****.

What do you mean by Scandinavia?Because Denmark and Sweden are certainly not “ doing well.”

19-09-2020 03:23PM

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

What do you mean by Scandinavia?Because Denmark and Sweden are certainly not “ doing well.”

Was looking at Sweden, Norway and Finland, which is stable and a lower case rate than us. Had not seen Denmark who seem to be having a similar spike to us

Smacruairi · 19-09-2020 05:35PM

Don't Sweden have the 7th highest death rate in the world, having basically sacrificed their elderly and infirm at the start of the crisis?

niamh247 · 19-09-2020 06:36PM

is the twitter account https://twitter.com/schools_19 taken down for some reason?

wirelessdude01 · 19-09-2020 06:43PM

niamh247 wrote: »

is the twitter account https://twitter.com/schools_19 taken down for some reason?

EC took it down due to not being able to keep up with the amount of work needed to validate all the cases.

Blondini · 19-09-2020 06:43PM

niamh247 wrote: »

is the twitter account https://twitter.com/schools_19 taken down for some reason?

Yeah, they were overwhelmed.

I think people have lost count at about 200 schools.

Smegging hell · 19-09-2020 06:59PM

ASTI set to ballot over conditions in schools. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/asti-to-ballot-for-industrial-action-over-covid-19-safety-concerns-1.4359606

deiseindublin · 19-09-2020 07:09PM

Would it be too much to ask that the three unions were talk to each other on this.

Grandeeod · 19-09-2020 07:43PM

deiseindublin wrote: »

Would it be too much to ask that the three unions were talk to each other on this.

Hopefully they do

wirelessdude01 · 19-09-2020 08:18PM

deiseindublin wrote: »

Would it be too much to ask that the three unions were talk to each other on this.

Primary level concerns would be very different to second level concerns. Sure they couldn't even agree a common approach for us LPTs.

No appetite at primary level anyway. So many INTO members are totally pi$$ed off at the attitude of JB.

Sierra Oscar · 19-09-2020 08:41PM

Smegging hell wrote: »

ASTI set to ballot over conditions in schools. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/asti-to-ballot-for-industrial-action-over-covid-19-safety-concerns-1.4359606

That didn't take long.

In fairness to teachers, the ASTI have concerns that need to be addressed. Industrial action should not take the form of strike action though, in my view. That would be wrong.

Peter Flynt · 19-09-2020 08:59PM

What's going on in schools is utterly scandalous and is being swept under the carpet by HSE and others.

People are turning up infected. HSE are deciding that close contacts do not need to be tested. No social distancing. Masks in primary schools not worn.

Some parents don't care - just glad to get their kids off their backs - so the ASTI face a public onslaught.

wirelessdude01 · 19-09-2020 09:04PM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

What's going on in schools is utterly scandalous and is being swept under the carpet by HSE and others.

People are turning up infected. HSE are deciding that close contacts do not need to be tested. No social distancing. Masks in primary schools not worn.

Some parents don't care - just glad to get their kids off their backs - so the ASTI face a public onslaught.

Primary school students don't have to wear masks.

Will Yam · 19-09-2020 09:04PM

Smegging hell wrote: »

ASTI set to ballot over conditions in schools. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/asti-to-ballot-for-industrial-action-over-covid-19-safety-concerns-1.4359606

My goodness what took them so long?

They are addicted to ballots for industrial action.

Are they still insisting on an absolute guarantee they can’t catch Covid?

JJJackal · 19-09-2020 09:05PM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

What's going on in schools is utterly scandalous and is being swept under the carpet by HSE and others.

People are turning up infected. HSE are deciding that close contacts do not need to be tested. No social distancing. Masks in primary schools not worn.

Some parents don't care - just glad to get their kids off their backs - so the ASTI face a public onslaught.

I am so thankful to our Nurses, healthcare workers and gardai who put all industrial grievances and risk to their lives aside to stand on the front lines (often with no or limited access to PPE in March).

Teachers esp ASTI members need to try to help find solutions as opposed to threatening strike

Peter Flynt · 19-09-2020 09:07PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Primary school students don't have to wear masks.

They're getting infected so should be wearing them.

MerlinSouthDub · 19-09-2020 09:08PM

Will Yam wrote: »

My goodness what took them so long?

They are addicted to ballots for industrial action.

Are they still insisting on an absolute guarantee they can’t catch Covid?

And a pay rise, presumably. Wow. They do actually list pay in their list of issues! Unbelievable.

Smacruairi · 19-09-2020 09:08PM

JJJackal wrote: »

I am so thankful to our Nurses, healthcare workers and gardai who put all industrial grievances and risk to their lives aside to stand on the front lines (often with no or limited access to PPE in March).

Teachers esp ASTI members need to try to help find solutions as opposed to threatening strike

Well we did... We made several suggestions, all were ignored!

Peter Flynt · 19-09-2020 09:09PM

JJJackal wrote: »

I am so thankful to our Nurses, healthcare workers and gardai who put all industrial grievances and risk to their lives aside to stand on the front lines (often with no or limited access to PPE in March).

Teachers esp ASTI members need to try to help find solutions as opposed to threatening strike

Er. . . they work in hospitals. It's part of the deal to work with the sick and infected.

Will Yam · 19-09-2020 09:10PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

And a pay rise, presumably

And I presume they will soon trot out their old canard -“we are doing all this in the interests of our students. Nothing to do with self interest”

Peter Flynt · 19-09-2020 09:10PM

Will Yam wrote: »

My goodness what took them so long?

They are addicted to ballots for industrial action.

Are they still insisting on an absolute guarantee they can’t catch Covid?

You have form from politics.ie having spent a decade under various guises hating teachers......I notice you're still at it.

JJJackal · 19-09-2020 09:11PM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

Er. . . they work in hospitals. It's part of the deal to work with the sick and infected.

If you adopt that position its a teachers job to teach children...

Peter Flynt · 19-09-2020 09:12PM

https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Madrid-Teachers-Call-Strike-Before-School-Reopening-20200819-0010.html

Here's some teachers from Madrid preparing to strike. . . . More teachers for the haters to hate.

Will Yam · 19-09-2020 09:12PM

JJJackal wrote: »

If you adopt that position its a teachers job to teach children...

I sincerely hope that nurses and doctors don’t ballot for industrial action.

Peter Flynt · 19-09-2020 09:13PM

JJJackal wrote: »

If you adopt that position its a teachers job to teach children...

It is . . . and they are legally entitled to do so in a safe working environment.
Take your hatred up with your lawyer.

How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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