Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

You are basically saying that governments actions, or inaction, bear no responsibility for anything thats happening in Ireland currently and that all the blame is with the public?

You know who else would say this about their country? A citizen of North Korea.

Why do you think Ronan Glynn tells you he is very concerned every day? Hes been saying that when new cases were 5, 8, 14, 3, 9, 11, 20, 4, 7 in July and August and he is expressing identical concerns during last 2 weeks when new cases are 220, 350, 270, 240 etc?

Because he has nothing else to say. He can not come out and say
-that hospital capacity in Ireland has been increased by 50%.
-He can not come out and say that 10 ICU beds were added over the last 6 months.
-He can not come out and say that "we are better prepared now than in March to deal with the virus" because they are not.

They are incompetent. And you support their incompetence through your "BLAME THE PUBLIC. PUBLIC IS AT FAULT CLEARLY!" Who are you going to blame excess cancer deaths on? Me? Fintan? Dubs?

They are all perfectly valid arguments with respect to the healthcare system and I would agree with most of them.

However, this is not what you or the LVA were articulating. You were saying nphet are wrong and they haven’t a clue what they are doing. I’m saying that based on the circumstances facing us now, they are more than likely correct in their advice.

I think they're permanent. Or even if they're not permanent people will continue to wear masks and other people will have to get used to seeing their fellow man in a mask.


Protest in London today:


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1337599/London-news-Trafalgar-Square-protest-coronavirus-lockdown-boris-johnson

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Mask thing is redicilous, went for a walk on the beach earlier and there was a few in masks, it's not in Dublin, it's not crowded and a nice little fresh breeze, wtf are people afraid of.
These weren't old people, these were young people, 16-25 age group, they really have been brainwashed.

They've become trendy. It's not that they're afraid per se. One even sees people wearing a mask while driving alone.

I suggest emigration.

From an article in the New York Times about young people in Russia. The article is behind a paywall so I'm quoting from it:

"When Nest, a cramped Moscow cocktail lounge, reopened for business in late June after more than two months of lockdown, it offered free masks and antiseptic lotion at the entrance to help calm any fears drinkers might have about sitting just inches from each other around tiny round tables.

It needn’t have bothered.

“Nobody could care less so we quickly stopped offering,” said Roman R. Pometkov, the head bartender and a coronavirus survivor. He became infected soon after the pandemic first hit the Russian capital with full force in March and now, after recuperating in isolation at home for 28 days, is back at work.

Like everyone else in his packed bar on a recent evening, Mr. Pometkov was not wearing a face mask. “Everyone just wants to get back to a normal life,” he said. “Cocktails and masks don’t really go together.”

When Kristina Orbakaite, a Russian pop star, posted a photograph of herself wearing a designer mask on Instagram, she incited a storm of protest from fans who accused her, variously, of spreading panic, empty virtue signaling and pandering to the “herd instinct of Russian show business.”

The criticism became so vicious that Ms. Orbakaite, whose mother, Alla Pugacheva, is an elderly but still hugely popular Russian singer, posted an audio message to her “dear subscribers and haters.” In it, she expressed dismay that her fashion statement in favor of good hygiene had prompted “such a violent reaction” and explained that wearing a mask might not save the wearer but does protect others from infection.

Russia’s macho leader, Mr. Putin, while avoiding health hazards like guzzling vodka that have traditionally been seen as marks of manliness in Russia, has outdone even President Trump in shunning the face mask. The only time he has appeared in public with his face covered was in March when he visited a Moscow coronavirus clinic wearing a respirator and a hazmat suit.

Polina Fedotova, a 27-year-old customer at the Nest cocktail bar, said she has many friends in the United States, so is well aware of what she called the “hellish” situation there. While not entirely confident Russia won’t end up in the same place, she has decided that the benefits of having a normal life far outweigh any potential risks.

“It is better to get out and live normally and perhaps even get sick than to stay at home forever doing nothing,” she said.

Ms. Fedotova’s companion for an evening of cocktails was a 28-year-old doctor who works at a large Moscow hospital and who contracted the virus, but barely had any symptoms and has now recovered.

“It was not so bad,” said the doctor, who declined to give her last name. “We are people, not robots, and want to have a life.”"

A link to the article: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/01/world/europe/russia-moscow-coronavirus.html

Look at the photos in the article of young people in bars enjoying themselves. Compare the attitude of young Russians with the daily hysteria in countries like Ireland and the UK. While in Ireland they lose their mind over case numbers and call for lockdowns every other day, in Russia they are getting on with life.

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Can I just ask you a question . Why did it actually bother you that other people are wearing masks ? If someone chooses to wear a mask for some reason I fail to see what is bothering you

It's horrible seeing people wearing those things. Never seeing people smile, never seeing the human face.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It keeps the climate of fear going, there a sign to permanently remind us we need to be afraid.
We don't need to be afraid of a fresh Atlantic breeze.
I wouldn't have even noticed there was a pandemic today except for those clowns.

I agree.

No one would notice were it not for the media and the muzzle.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I got a few smiles from pretty mask less girls on my walk, warms the heart, convinced the ones in masks are either ugly or sick.

It's amazing that you have to say why you find a human being wearing a rag on their face horrible. Shouldn't everyone find it horrible?

Penfailed wrote: »

They aren't permanent. If people want to continue to wear masks when the restrictions end, that's their prerogative.

Is their not being permanent based on the "lockdown for two weeks" that now looks like being lockdown for two to ten years?

drunkmonkey wrote: »

To force those than chose not to into jail is wrong on so many levels. The mask is a sign of compliance nothing more, any old mask will do, yea right it will.

It should be optional. People shouldn't be forced to wear a muzzle.