COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

charlie14 · 19-09-2020 01:24PM

Thierry12 wrote: »

Sweden has 4000 deaths over the age 80, 1500 deaths over 90

Sweden has more people per capita aged over 90 than anywhere in the world

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1107913/number-of-coronavirus-deaths-in-sweden-by-age-groups/

Do a bit of research before comparing them to us, no wondering

When that argument was put forward originally that lockdown made no difference statistically to the number of Covid-19 deaths of those aged 65 and over I did just that

Sweden with 20% aged 65 and over. 260 deaths per 100,000.
For Sweden`s three Scandinavian neighbours if all Covid-19 deaths were 65 and over

Finland with 22% aged 65 and over. 27 deaths per 100,000.
Denmark with 20% aged 65 and over. 54 deaths per 100,000.
Norway with 17% aged 65 and over. 28 deaths per 100,000.

While it may be a coincidence that statistically there is no great difference between Covid-19 deaths of those aged 65 and over between Ireland and Sweden, as an argument on lockdown versus no lockdown. When compared on a more like for like basis on countries who are neighbours and have more in common than Ireland and Sweden then it just does not stand up to scrutiny.

tobefrank321 · 19-09-2020 01:42PM

charlie14 wrote: »

You may wish to check your facts on Sweden and social distancing.
If your other fact that only a tiny tiny minuscule percentage of the population has been affected is correct, then what was the point of their strategy?
No herd immunity if you are correct, and no economic advantage. Their second quarter GDP contracted by 40% more than Ireland.

The latest analysis is Sweden will contract by 4.4% this year. Given our on going lockdowns I'd be surprised if we contract by less than 10%. As for healthcare benefits Swedens ICU numbers are now similar to our own despite twice the population. Their deaths per million was something like 6 times less than ours for yesterday, 1 death vs 3 here. Their two week average for new infections is far lower than ours. All this despite having 50% more elderly than us.

19-09-2020 01:45PM

The morning news tells me that Authorities in Germany are already planning which sections of Society will be prioritised for immunisation although no vaccine is yet available.

CiarraiManc · 19-09-2020 01:49PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

If a vaccine is successful you might be surprised how soon you might get access to it.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/08/21/who-warns-a-coronavirus-vaccine-alone-will-not-end-pandemic.html

Sorry lads your magic vaccine won't change SFA. I hope you like the way things are at the moment lads because it's not changing

ACitizenErased · 19-09-2020 01:56PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The morning news tells me that Authorities in Germany are already planning which sections of Society will be prioritised for immunisation although no vaccine is yet available.

Countries will have to start planning now. Not long to go.

CiarraiManc · 19-09-2020 01:59PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Countries will have to start planning now. Not long to go.

At this point a vaccine would be like using Lego to fix a hole in Hoover dam. Covid is already rampant across the world it won't do any good. And if you believe the CEO bull**** then I don't know what to say. And I wouldn't trust any magic vaccine tRump puts out before election

stockshares · 19-09-2020 02:01PM

A new version of the 5 level chart from gov.ie
Download it here
https://www.gov.ie/en/campaigns/resilience-recovery-2020-2021-plan-for-living-with-covid-19/

https://twitter.com/merrionstreet/status/1307293443983630337?s=19

ACitizenErased · 19-09-2020 02:01PM

CiarraiManc wrote: »

At this point a vaccine would be like using Lego to fix a hole in Hoover dam. Covid is already rampant across the world it won't do any good. And if you believe the CEO bull**** then I don't know what to say. And I wouldn't trust any magic vaccine tRump puts out before election

You're a right glimmer of sunshine aren't you?

Sconsey · 19-09-2020 02:11PM

CiarraiManc wrote: »

At this point a vaccine would be like using Lego to fix a hole in Hoover dam. Covid is already rampant across the world it won't do any good. And if you believe the CEO bull**** then I don't know what to say. And I wouldn't trust any magic vaccine tRump puts out before election

I'd love to know how you come to that conclusion (I can guess but I don't want to get banned). All the efforts and money being put into vaccines all over the world is a good enough counter to your opinion.

Thierry12 · 19-09-2020 02:15PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The morning news tells me that Authorities in Germany are already planning which sections of Society will be prioritised for immunisation although no vaccine is yet available.

Only way to do it

Absolute insanity vaccinating people that dont need it

Deeper Blue · 19-09-2020 02:21PM

CiarraiManc wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/08/21/who-warns-a-coronavirus-vaccine-alone-will-not-end-pandemic.html

Sorry lads your magic vaccine won't change SFA. I hope you like the way things are at the moment lads because it's not changing

I notice you still haven't provided a link to back up your claims yesterday that there have been "dozens" of reinfections.

Could you either provide one or admit you were talking through your hole?

deathbomber · 19-09-2020 02:23PM

The HorsesMouth wrote: »

I'm throwing this positive thought out into the universe and I'm going to say that St.Patricks Day 2021 will run pretty much as normal. Vaccinations of our vulnerable will be complete and the rest will be underway allowing us to go back to normal society.
I have no evidence, no insight and certainly no expertise but that's my feeling if it counts for anything!

You must be blind, last night i passed a park with easily 50 teenagers more or less stuck together and having a laugh, very few had masks. The virus is quite unpleasant and if you get it with a dose of something else which is a real possibility due to how contagious it is(also doesn't have to be the flu), your in for the worst few weeks of your life! We should be up to level 4 phase in Dublin. If numbers aren't brought down, it could turn into a nightmare and not only for the vulnerable this time around. We should be coming out of it around Paddy's day but if you think the parades will go ahead you are quite wrong. Take precautions and stay well.

deathbomber · 19-09-2020 02:26PM

CiarraiManc wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/08/21/who-warns-a-coronavirus-vaccine-alone-will-not-end-pandemic.html

Sorry lads your magic vaccine won't change SFA. I hope you like the way things are at the moment lads because it's not changing

you are misinterpreting the information in the link, a vaccine (tested) will do a lot to eradicate and i know we are close, we still got to work together and get through winter though

Micky 32 · 19-09-2020 02:27PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You're a right glimmer of sunshine aren't you?

I’m glad i don’t know people like that in real life. I’m blessed to have nice people that aren’t misery merchants around me , i’m quite lucky.

Either way if we don’t get a vaccine and like all other pandemics it will eventually weaken.

CiarraiManc · 19-09-2020 02:28PM

El Sueño wrote: »

I notice you still haven't provided a link to back up your claims yesterday that there have been "dozens" of reinfections.

Could you either provide one or admit you were talking through your hole?

https://www.statnews.com/2020/08/28/covid-19-reinfection-implications/

ACitizenErased · 19-09-2020 02:30PM

CiarraiManc wrote: »

https://www.statnews.com/2020/08/28/covid-19-reinfection-implications/

Did you even read the article?

Still, despite what happened to the man in Nevada, researchers are stressing this is not a sky-is-falling situation or one that should result in firm conclusions. They always presumed people would become vulnerable to Covid-19 again some time after recovering from an initial case, based on how our immune systems respond to other respiratory viruses, including other coronaviruses. It’s possible that these early cases of reinfection are outliers and have features that won’t apply to the tens of millions of other people who have already shaken off Covid-19.

stockshares · 19-09-2020 02:30PM

Ireland 14 day rate versus EU countries
Spain is really out of control again

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1307301261331623937?s=19

CiarraiManc · 19-09-2020 02:32PM

Sconsey wrote: »

I'd love to know how you come to that conclusion (I can guess but I don't want to get banned). All the efforts and money being put into vaccines all over the world is a good enough counter to your opinion.

I linked a WHO article saying a vaccine won't be a silver bullet. I just want people to stop kidding themselves

Micky 32 · 19-09-2020 02:36PM

CiarraiManc wrote: »

I linked a WHO article saying a vaccine won't be a silver bullet. I just want people to stop kidding themselves

It will bring some normality to the people who take it. For example if i take it and then my family abroad take it i’ll be able to travel to visit them because the risks will be quite significantly reduced. It will make a huge difference.

ShyMets · 19-09-2020 02:37PM

CiarraiManc wrote: »

Alright you and all the power of positivity people you know can keep kidding yourselves

Damn straight. All we can do now is hide under the bed and wait for Covid to get us

Sconsey · 19-09-2020 02:42PM

CiarraiManc wrote: »

I linked a WHO article saying a vaccine won't be a silver bullet. I just want people to stop kidding themselves

You stated that any vaccine will not do any good....you haven't a got a clue.

Marhay70 · 19-09-2020 02:47PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You're a right glimmer of sunshine aren't you?

I think it's our threadbanned friend back with another alias. Same terminology, same bulls*it, only thing different is the user name.
Just ignore him, these guys thrive on attention.

Dionaibh · 19-09-2020 02:54PM

CiarraiManc wrote: »

I linked a WHO article saying a vaccine won't be a silver bullet. I just want people to stop kidding themselves

I fear it's more that they won't it to end. That WHO guy has said the world can't go back to normal and that it's time to flatten the climate curve.

charlie14 · 19-09-2020 03:05PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

The latest analysis is Sweden will contract by 4.4% this year. Given our on going lockdowns I'd be surprised if we contract by less than 10%. As for healthcare benefits Swedens ICU numbers are now similar to our own despite twice the population. Their deaths per million was something like 6 times less than ours for yesterday, 1 death vs 3 here. Their two week average for new infections is far lower than ours. All this despite having 50% more elderly than us.

Second quarter with Ireland in lockdown our GDP contracted by 6.1%.
Same period for Sweden with no lockdown their GDP contracted by 8.6%
The IMF GDP projections for both for 2020 is a 6.8% contraction.

Up until yesterday Sweden recorder 30 deaths for the previous 14 days.
The 14 day average of new cases is not much different to our own, but confirmed cases are no real indications of mortality. Even if our mortality rate of deaths to confirmed cases is 4.8% compared to Sweden`s 6.6%.
If they were then Sweden should have had more deaths in relation to the vast numbers of new confirmed cases in June.

As I said earlier, it is a coincidence that statistically our deaths of those 65 and over are similar to Sweden`s as an argument against using lockdown, when compared to the other three Scandinavian countries it just does not stand up.

Deeper Blue · 19-09-2020 03:41PM

CiarraiManc wrote: »

https://www.statnews.com/2020/08/28/covid-19-reinfection-implications/

There are 4 cases mentioned in that article.

So I'll ask again, could you please back up your claim that there have been dozens of reinfections? Thanks.

The HorsesMouth · 19-09-2020 03:47PM

deathbomber wrote: »

You must be blind, last night i passed a park with easily 50 teenagers more or less stuck together and having a laugh, very few had masks. The virus is quite unpleasant and if you get it with a dose of something else which is a real possibility due to how contagious it is(also doesn't have to be the flu), your in for the worst few weeks of your life! We should be up to level 4 phase in Dublin. If numbers aren't brought down, it could turn into a nightmare and not only for the vulnerable this time around. We should be coming out of it around Paddy's day but if you think the parades will go ahead you are quite wrong. Take precautions and stay well.

What are you talking about? My post is about post vaccinations. That has nothing to do with the current state of the virus or society. I know its serious.

So no I am not blind.

Bikerman2019 · 19-09-2020 08:37PM

For the benefit of anyone needing info.

We did a test in Punchestown on Friday at 3.30pm and result came back by text message on Saturday at 8.30pm

Happy with that and also the result !

Micky 32 · 19-09-2020 09:12PM

Dionaibh wrote: »

I fear it's more that they won't it to end. That WHO guy has said the world can't go back to normal and that it's time to flatten the climate curve.

There will be no climate curve flattening restrictions. Some people seem to think because restrictions were imposed for the virus it will be “ ah sure we could do it for the climate. Dreamland....

igCorcaigh · 19-09-2020 10:35PM

Even the lockdown was not enough to sufficiently suppress carbon emissions.

In addition to reducing carbon, we need extraction technologies at scale.

I don't see it happening though. I am very pessimistic on the climate change outlook.

Capt'n Midnight · 20-09-2020 12:03AM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Even the lockdown was not enough to sufficiently suppress carbon emissions.

In addition to reducing carbon, we need extraction technologies at scale.

I don't see it happening though. I am very pessimistic on the climate change outlook.

extraction technologies - plants or powdered bedrock are way cheaper than any of the high tech solutions being touted

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