Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

Wolf359f · 19-09-2020 12:09AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Maybe better cross referencing is the key.
Jonny tested positive today. Jonny was in a certain restaurant 2 days ago. Seperately Mary was also in that restaurant and also tested positive. This information is entered in a database and an automated query throws up an alert that jonny and mary were in the same location at the same time. The restaurant is alerted, closed down for a week and the information is published so that all patrons at that time get a test. Something like that. Specific and surgical.

Sounds logical, but the government keeping tabs on your previous movement on a database.... screams civil liberties. Privacy issues are more important than personal safety for a few unfortunately.

ACitizenErased · 19-09-2020 12:10AM

Just looking at the map on the hub, a few of the ones that stick out.

Adare-Rathkeale with 28 cases last 14 days, incidence of 101
Limerick City North with 44 cases last 14 days, incidence of 126.8
Tramore-Waterford City West with 23 cases last 14 days, incidence of 102.8
Carrick-On-Shannon with 15 cases last 14 days, incidence of 132
Dundalk-Carlingford with 35 cases last 14 days, incidence of 136.7
Celbridge with 37 cases last 14 days, incidence of 171.7
Tallaght Central with 76 cases last 14 days, incidence of 175.9
Bray East with 18 cases last 14 days, incidence of 105.1
Dublin South West Inner City with 69 cases last 14 days, incidence of 163
Blanchardstown-Mulhuddart with 67 cases last 14 days, incidence of 189.8
Balbriggan with 55 cases last 14 days, incidence of 150.4

stockshares · 19-09-2020 12:11AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

^ I assume to make that statement they have proof to back up

I don't think they have. They are taking the data from other countries who have greater tracing capability and basing their opinion on that which isn't necessarily incorrect.

That data is not specific to here but Nephet don't have the resources to trace all the way so rely on others data to assess community transmission.

Other Countries are saying that community transmission is coming from pubs and restaurants

Goldengirl · 19-09-2020 12:11AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

That's a really good addition. Shows it so well.
Leitrim North has feic all cases, it's all down the south.
It's a map the media can use easily and report on, so people see where the cases are.

Also found out from a source

Testing in hospitals pre admission or pre surgery go into the Local Health statistics , so where there is a major hospital located that area will have extra numbers , as well as local community testing.
Would make a difference where there are nursing homes and direct provision centres too .
So not all down to locals testing positive , and would make a big difference in urban areas as opposed to rural or suburban residential areas .

owlbethere · 19-09-2020 12:12AM

Rte is teasing us showing us a Nathan Carter gig, showing us what we are missing in 2020 - Live gigs. drowning my sorrows and dancing around the kitchen at the same time.

Plumbthedepths · 19-09-2020 12:16AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Another personal attack on me? That's a number from you now.

It's a last resort but I find the ignore function is the only way to deal with that behaviour.

Wolf359f · 19-09-2020 12:16AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Independent.ie on Twitter: "People are bringing home Covid-19 and infecting their families after picking it up in pubs and restaurants, says Government adviser https://t.co/qDdo4eOTR5 https://t.co/oA4VHbphXM" / Twitter
https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1307088273429483523

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

^ I assume to make that statement they have proof to back up

tobefrank321 wrote: »

If they have they should publish it and in detail.

The quote will change to:
People are could be bringing home Covid-19 and infecting their families after possibly picking it up in pubs and restaurants. All the reports don't point to pubs/restaurants. Unless the pubs and restaurants arn't keeping logs of visitors.
Maybe take some of those logs in a dozen restaurants around the worst affected areaa and check those names and numbers and see how many in those logs have tested positive from Covid. That would give a clear indication. A non infected person can't transmit the virus (contamination of clothing aside)

tobefrank321 · 19-09-2020 12:18AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

^ I assume to make that statement they have proof to back up

Either they can link cases to specific restaurants in which case those restaurants should be shut for a period and full contact tracing done or they cannot link cases to retaurants but are closing all restaurants as a precaution.

They need to publish the information. How many cases, how many restaurants. A bit of transparancy would help hugely.

Wolf359f · 19-09-2020 12:18AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Also found out from a source
Testing in hospitals pre admission or pre surgery go into the Local Health statistics , so where there is a major hospital located that area will have extra numbers , as well as local community testing.
Would make a difference where there are nursing homes and direct provision centres too .
So not all down to locals testing positive , and would make a big difference in urban areas as opposed to rural or suburban residential areas .

I did notice on the previous map, an area in SW Dublin, filled with industrial estates had a massive number of cases. My guess it was a nursing home. Same for an area of Lucan. They were both multiple times (like 10x) over the rest of the county.

Goldengirl · 19-09-2020 12:19AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

The restrictions are not just on restaurants.
The virus is mainly in homes, they don't want it being spread home to home via social gatherings, mainly restaurants.

Don't blame, NPHET, they warned about this over a week ago, the government sat on their arse. NPHET advise government, but it's the governments decision to act on them.

That was brought up by I think Gavin Reilly at the press conference when MM was trying to get away .
He denied that they were told that Dublin was " worrying " and said something mumbled about" videos" and " unfortunate" and looked at Glynn and shut up .
I really wanted that camera to focus on Glynn at that point !

The Oort Cloud · 19-09-2020 12:20AM

Targeted checkpoints will also be set up across the county.

The force in Dublin will be supplemented by officers from surrounding counties focusing on patrols of destination public amenities and open spaces.

Gardaí are reminding people they are advised not to travel out of or into Dublin unless absolutely necessary.

Enforcement will only be used as a last resort

In regard to the constitution of Ireland with regard to 'Freedom To Roam' This Enforcement does not have any merit I think. How could it. A referendum I assume would be needed to implement such a law to over-ride 'freedom to roam' on the island of Ireland? Would this be correct?. I'm just curious as to this so-called enforcement of last resort.

This is basically just a question, as I myself would not want the bother from dealing with the gardai, it is more of a question of legality in relation to Irish constitutional laws.

ACitizenErased · 19-09-2020 12:20AM

There's no lockdown in Dublin going by the Twitter videos.

stockshares · 19-09-2020 12:20AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Also found out from a source
Testing in hospitals pre admission or pre surgery go into the Local Health statistics , so where there is a major hospital located that area will have extra numbers , as well as local community testing.
Would make a difference where there are nursing homes and direct provision centres too .
So not all down to locals testing positive , and would make a big difference in urban areas as opposed to rural or suburban residential areas .

If that's correct that skews a lot of data.

I wonder does it lead to the same case being logged in two different LHOs simultaneously if the person attending the hospital is not from that Lho area

Goldengirl · 19-09-2020 12:24AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Another personal attack on me? That's a number from you now.

It's not personal

Edit.. sorry tho

Wolf359f · 19-09-2020 12:24AM

stockshares wrote: »

I don't think they have. They are taking the data from other countries who have greater tracing capability and basing their opinion on that which isn't necessarily incorrect.

That data is not specific to here but Nephet don't have the resources to trace all the way so rely on others data to assess community transmission.

Other Countries are saying that community transmission is coming from pubs and restaurants

This is what confuses me. They rely on data from countries worldwide, fair enough. Countries have more experiences and resources than little aul us.

There's evidence schools are less of a risk than we believe, based on European studies. The public don't accept it and demand schools closed.

There's evidence in Europe that Pubs/Restaurants are shown to be causing spread of the virus and the public demand they stay open.

I'm glad the government don't listen to the public!

fritzelly · 19-09-2020 12:25AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Independent.ie on Twitter: "People are bringing home Covid-19 and infecting their families after picking it up in pubs and restaurants, says Government adviser https://t.co/qDdo4eOTR5 https://t.co/oA4VHbphXM" / Twitter
https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1307088273429483523

If they have proof show it - but they don't have proof just anecdotal evidence from other countries

Sure the the massive party (going on 5 hours now) near me is not spreading the virus - and expect more parties now the bars and restaurants are all shut

Wolf359f · 19-09-2020 12:27AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

That was brought up by I think Gavin Reilly at the press conference when MM was trying yo get away .
He denied that they were told that Dublin was " worrying " and said something mumbled about" videos" and " unfortunate" and looked at Glynn and shut up .
I really wanted that camera to focus on Glynn at that point !

It's ok, NPHET publish their letters to government, so if it goes tits up, they have a record.
MM trying to answer questions with NPHET this and NPHET that, it wont save him in the end.

Goldengirl · 19-09-2020 12:27AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Sounds logical, but the government keeping tabs on your previous movement on a database.... screams civil liberties. Privacy issues are more important than personal safety for a few unfortunately.

Thought that was the point of the app, for use by public health and that any records thereafter destroyed ?

Goldengirl · 19-09-2020 12:28AM

stockshares wrote: »

If that's correct that skews a lot of data.

I wonder does it lead to the same case being logged in two different LHOs simultaneously if the person attending the hospital is not from that Lho area

No . I was told it was only logged once .

Sierra Oscar · 19-09-2020 12:29AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Sure the the massive party (going on 5 hours now) near me is not spreading the virus - and expect more parties now the bars and restaurants are all shut

You realise it's not a zero sum game between pubs / restaurants and house parties? You do understand that all social settings are likely to be facilitating the transmission of the virus?

What do you suggest the Government do to tackle house parties? Are you happy for the Government to give the Gardaí a blanket power of entry to forcefully enter any dwelling to shutdown a house party? Because that is what was sought before and the public kicked up a stink.

It might be what is required yet mind you.

owlbethere · 19-09-2020 12:29AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

There's no lockdown in Dublin going by the Twitter videos.

What videos

Wolf359f · 19-09-2020 12:30AM

I'm just waiting for a Temple Bar/Berlin Bar viral video of a bunch of dubs in Dublin jerseys singing and drinking away in a country pub to cause mass hysteria on social media.

Spleodar · 19-09-2020 12:30AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Maybe better cross referencing is the key.
Jonny tested positive today. Jonny was in a certain restaurant 2 days ago. Seperately Mary was also in that restaurant and also tested positive. This information is entered in a database and an automated query throws up an alert that jonny and mary were in the same location at the same time. The restaurant is alerted, closed down for a week and the information is published so that all patrons at that time get a test. Something like that. Specific and surgical.

I wonder though would that even prevent spread, as it's quite possible that both johnny and mary were misfortunate enough to have been sitting down wind of Bill the super spreader who'd gone out with the sniffles, thinking he was grand.

ACitizenErased · 19-09-2020 12:30AM

https://twitter.com/JoelHanna1/status/1307087854196137992?s=20

Wolf359f · 19-09-2020 12:31AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Thought that was the point of the app, for use by public health and that any records thereafter destroyed ?

The app is different though. You don't have to volunteer any information on it.

fritzelly · 19-09-2020 12:32AM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

You realise it's not a zero sum game between pubs / restaurants and house parties? You do understand that all social settings are likely to be facilitating the transmission of the virus?

What do you suggest the Government do to tackle house parties? Are you happy for the Government to give the Gardaí a blanket power of entry to forcefully enter any dwelling to shutdown a house party? Because that is what was sought before and the public kicked up a stink.

It might be what is required yet mind you.

I'm saying you are just moving the issue to a different area - as already mentioned if there is an infection from a bar or restaurant close it down and do the necessary testing and checks on are they adhering to the guidelines and reopen it

Closing them is not solving the problem it's pretending it's fixed - guess we will see in 2-3 weeks time if the numbers are still increasing...

stephenjmcd · 19-09-2020 12:32AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

This is the sort of info now available on the hub, FINALLY.
I've done this for the Cork thread, just thought I'd share here so people know what sort of info we now get.

Cork Local Electoral Areas - COVID-19 14-day incidence rates per 100,000 population by Local Electoral Area (LEA) 01/09/2020 to 14/09/2020

BANTRY-WEST CORK, LEA-4 ~ Confirmed Cases in LEA: Less than 5 cases, LEA rate per 100k pop: Less than 5 cases

SKIBBEREEN-WEST CORK LEA-5 ~ Confirmed Cases in LEA: 5, LEA rate per 100k pop: 16.5

BANDON - KINSALE LEA-6 ~ Confirmed Cases in LEA: Less than 5 cases, LEA rate per 100k pop: Less than 5 cases

MACROOM LEA-6 ~ Confirmed Cases in LEA: Less than 5 cases, LEA rate per 100k pop: Less than 5 cases

KANTURK LEA-4 ~ Confirmed Cases in LEA: Less than 5 cases, LEA rate per 100k pop: Less than 5 cases

MALLOW LEA-5 ~ Confirmed Cases in LEA: Less than 5 cases, LEA rate per 100k pop: Less than 5 cases

FERMOY LEA-6 ~ Confirmed Cases in LEA: 9, LEA rate per 100k pop: 24.7

MIDLETON LEA-7 ~ Confirmed Cases in LEA: Less than 5 cases, LEA rate per 100k pop: Less than 5 cases

COBH LEA-6 ~ Confirmed Cases in LEA: 5, LEA rate per 100k pop: 14.7

CARRIGALINE LEA-6 ~ Confirmed Cases in LEA: Less than 5 cases, LEA rate per 100k pop: Less than 5 cases

CORK CITY SOUTH EAST LEA-6 ~ Confirmed Cases in LEA: Less than 5 cases, LEA rate per 100k pop: Less than 5 cases

CORK CITY NORTH EAST LEA-6 ~ Confirmed Cases in LEA: Less than 5 cases, LEA rate per 100k pop: Less than 5 cases

CORK CITY NORTH WEST LEA-6 ~ Confirmed Cases in LEA: Less than 5 cases, LEA rate per 100k pop: Less than 5 cases

CORK CITY SOUTH WEST LEA-7 ~ Confirmed Cases in LEA: 10, LEA rate per 100k pop: 21.3

Fantastic to get some more detailed information

Wolf359f · 19-09-2020 12:34AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/JoelHanna1/status/1307087854196137992?s=20

Lockdown starts at midnight tonight, you know that (video was recorded before midnight)
Now come back tomorrow with a similar video and I'll be outraged like you want.

Goldengirl · 19-09-2020 12:34AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

The quote will change to:
People are could be bringing home Covid-19 and infecting their families after possibly picking it up in pubs and restaurants. All the reports don't point to pubs/restaurants. Unless the pubs and restaurants arn't keeping logs of visitors.
Maybe take some of those logs in a dozen restaurants around the worst affected areaa and check those names and numbers and see how many in those logs have tested positive from Covid. That would give a clear indication. A non infected person can't transmit the virus (contamination of clothing aside)

One problem with this is some of the pubs that weren't complying were not logging details after a certain number of patrons .
If they did they would be facing questions about their numbers .
Blank sheets on clipboards, no traceback .
And these are more probable the places where we people may have gotten infected .

speckle · 19-09-2020 12:36AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

I did notice on the previous map, an area in SW Dublin, filled with industrial estates had a massive number of cases. My guess it was a nursing home. Same for an area of Lucan. They were both multiple times (like 10x) over the rest of the county.

SW Dublin, during the height of it, one nursing home with very high numbers near tymon, also more in the area, including a special needs/disabled/assisted living a as well as other nursing homes hit badly high numbers of people with dementia (from the list released later) Sadly a lot of people lost their lives.
other wise a very mixed demographic area. including strange electoral boundaries that dont tie with postcodes

Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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