Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

AdamD wrote: »

Genuinely, for me this wouldn't be a life worth living. This may work fine for you but if this was something I had to do for a prolonged period, I wouldn't last.

These aren't as simple decisions as you make out, to just cut human contact.

This is one of the biggest problems. I could easily cut all human contact - other than family in my household - for months. I'd miss it but I'd easily cope. I can understand your predicament as you feel exactly the opposite.

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Oh, isn't that so easy to say or type out?

If they can trace back 48 hrs they can trace back 120 hrs. 5 days would give them the origin of the virus.

A person knows themselves where they were 5 days ago and who they met.

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The hub has been updated.

It now contains amount of cases in last 14 days per electoral region.

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

Thanks, do you know if this will be regularly updated from now on?

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

A Dublin hotel?

no the tullmore/golf one, the family are in another hotel but some 80 year olds seem them all as one when the media isn't clear that it is a minority problem

Goldengirl wrote: »

Sorry, but I am starting to get a bit pissed off with the anti Dublin comments !
Make a valid point , but have a little pop as well , ...its not nice and not true .
I have worked in a few cities and towns in this country and elsewhere , and people are the same wherever you go , good and bad .
We are in the middle of an infectious virus that is spreading everywhere , and yes, Dublin has more people so will have larger numbers and be spreading faster . But many other areas catching up per head of population.
But can people please not be so jingoistic and making this into a competition?
And I am not even a Dub, just a long imported and adopted culchie

If case numbers were high in any other county I would say the same, consensus seems to imply Dublin cases are household contacts from gatherings parties etc., everyone has to play their part and be sensible, young and old, city and town country folk alike, there is idiots everywhere who think they are invincible especially when drunk or high

I do feel for businesses who have to close again, limit their work, not reopen etc., because X can't stay in their own gaff away from Y or W

Apologies if I'm wrong and any Dubs are offended

stockshares wrote: »

I thought it couldn't be traced either when they explained tracing earlier in the year.

However they were never tracing back to the place where the person picked up or thought they had picked up the virus 5 days previously.

They only trace back 24hrs and that leads to a lot of cases documented as community transmission because no specific location or premises can be found .

If they had of fully traced from the start restrictions could have been more targeted and a lot of bad feeling could have been avoided.

I think Nephet said today that they don't have resources to trace that far back but that's hard to believe. The fault appears to be on the Gov side

The tracing back 2 days is to find that persons close contacts and prevent those close contacts from passing it on further.

Jimmy went to the pub and met Peter for a frozen pizza and a dozen pints on a Monday. On Wednesday Jimmy developed symptoms, rang his GP and got tested Thursday and a positive result back on Friday. The tracers ring Jimmy and ask him when he developed symptoms, he says Wednesday, so the tracers ask for his contacts from Monday to Wednesday. He gives the names and locations etc.... So the pub gets a call and they hand over all contact details for the dates in question and contact said people to tell them to isolate and get tested.

Peter gets a call on Sunday saying he's been in close contact with a confirmed case and to be tested. He's not showing any symptoms yet. He gets tested and it's positive. He then gives his contacts for the past 2 days etc....

In that situation, there's no need to go back 5 days for Peter cause they know where he caught it.

In Jimmy's situation, a follow up call happens and they ask him where he's been the past 5 days before he had symptoms. He says McDonald's, the Cinema, the local Aldi and a local restaurant. They check their records and there's been no cases in any of those locations. So in that situation it can be a community transmission.

Now they can cross reference the Aldi and see if anyone else in Jimmy's situation was in the Aldi the same time as him, maybe they kept receipts. If so, Ok, lets look at CCTV and sit there for hours and examine if Jimmy and that person where in close contact.

Can you image the resources that takes? They cant check credit card numbers for dates and times, cant use facial recognition software/number plate. A person has to sit and watch. This isn't China. They focus resources on breaking future chains of the virus.

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The hub has been updated.

It now contains amount of cases in last 14 days per electoral region.

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

That's a really good addition. Shows it so well.
Leitrim North has feic all cases, it's all down the south.
It's a map the media can use easily and report on, so people see where the cases are.

KaneToad wrote: »

This is the problem, it's too hard to know. This can only be a hypothesis based on other known information.

Its not good enough for NPHET to put 50k people on the dole and financially ruin hundreds if not thousands of restaurants based on what appears to be a guess.

If they have proof of a number of clusters linked to restauants publish it.

At this stage it feels like they are guessing at a number of things with little scientific basis.

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Its not good enough for NPHET to put 50k people on the dole and financially ruin hundreds if not thousands of restaurants based on what appears to be a guess.

If they have proof of a number of clusters linked to restauants publish it.

At this stage it feels like they are guessing at a number of things with little scientific basis.

The restrictions are not just on restaurants.
The virus is mainly in homes, they don't want it being spread home to home via social gatherings, mainly restaurants.

Don't blame, NPHET, they warned about this over a week ago, the government sat on their arse. NPHET advise government, but it's the governments decision to act on them.

Wolf359f wrote: »

The tracing back 2 days is to find that persons close contacts and prevent those close contacts from passing it on further.

Jimmy went to the pub and met Peter for a frozen pizza and a dozen pints on a Monday. On Wednesday Jimmy developed symptoms, rang his GP and got tested Thursday and a positive result back on Friday. The tracers ring Jimmy and ask him when he developed symptoms, he says Wednesday, so the tracers ask for his contacts from Monday to Wednesday. He gives the names and locations etc.... So the pub gets a call and they hand over all contact details for the dates in question and contact said people to tell them to isolate and get tested.

Peter gets a call on Sunday saying he's been in close contact with a confirmed case and to be tested. He's not showing any symptoms yet. He gets tested and it's positive. He then gives his contacts for the past 2 days etc....

In that situation, there's no need to go back 5 days for Peter cause they know where he caught it.

In Jimmy's situation, a follow up call happens and they ask him where he's been the past 5 days before he had symptoms. He says McDonald's, the Cinema, the local Aldi and a local restaurant. They check their records and there's been no cases in any of those locations. So in that situation it can be a community transmission.

Now they can cross reference the Aldi and see if anyone else in Jimmy's situation was in the Aldi the same time as him, maybe they kept receipts. If so, Ok, lets look at CCTV and sit there for hours and examine if Jimmy and that person where in close contact.

Can you image the resources that takes? They cant check credit card numbers for dates and times, cant use facial recognition software/number plate. A person has to sit and watch. This isn't China. They focus resources on breaking future chains of the virus.

Maybe better cross referencing is the key.
Jonny tested positive today. Jonny was in a certain restaurant 2 days ago. Seperately Mary was also in that restaurant and also tested positive. This information is entered in a database and an automated query throws up an alert that jonny and mary were in the same location at the same time. The restaurant is alerted, closed down for a week and the information is published so that all patrons at that time get a test. Something like that. Specific and surgical.

Independent.ie on Twitter: "People are bringing home Covid-19 and infecting their families after picking it up in pubs and restaurants, says Government adviser https://t.co/qDdo4eOTR5 https://t.co/oA4VHbphXM" / Twitter
https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1307088273429483523

Goldengirl wrote: »

To be honest ...At this stage it feels like 'you ' are guessing at a number of things with little scientific basis ...to justify a narrative that is running out of anything to pin it onto.

Another personal attack on me? That's a number from you now.

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

^ I assume to make that statement they have proof to back up

If they have they should publish it and in detail.