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Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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  • #6092
    Mav11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,275 ✭✭✭Mav11


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    It’s curious that very little information is forthcoming on the usefulness, or otherwise, of the app.
    There are ads on radio and TV every 10 minutes about keeping ‘Covid-safe’, but no mention of people being advised to download the app.
    If the app were successful, they would be shouting it from the rooftops. The fact that there is no mention of it leads me to think that it is practically useless.

    That's the reason I'm asking. After all the bruha about the amount of downloads etc. its gone deathly quiet. I'm beginning to suspect that its practically usless myself or else they'd be singing its praises from the rooftops!


  • #6093
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    GeorgeBailey wrote: »
    Used to really like Pat. He's very keen to get the boot into young people and the misbehaving great unwashed these days though. Quite frustrating listening to him now.

    I would have been the same, I know he is a chemical Engineer but Pat gets on a rant about stuff like Covid testing but hasn’t a clue it’s embarrassing and cringeworthy Bullshit. I wonder does he do the research himself or get some other retard to do it...but really Luke O Neill who would know better kinda plays it down he would be safer throwing him under the bus and telling him to wind his neck in and stick to reviewing fiction.


  • #6094
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Boggles wrote: »
    It's generally thought 2-3 days, I know this because you told me.

    It can be up to 4.

    The CI for incubation is 3-14 days. Without any data to back it up, you would imagine those with long incubation periods are more likely to have longer pre-symptomatic periods, and in your scenario, it would have required the exposed person to have been infectious within 24 hours, which is unlikely. The data for the most infectious period is 2 days before and 3 after symptoms.

    I do believe we should go to 72 hours on tracing however for margin of error


  • #6095
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Boggles wrote: »
    Sounds like she bounced back 2 years into the future.

    Typo. She's since turned 98. As I said, age alone doesn't seem to increase risk significantly. My aunt, apart from a degree of dementia, is in excellent physical health for her age.

    BTW Do you stalk every poster yourself or do you have a team working under you?


  • #6096
    yawhat?
    Closed Accounts Posts: 146 ✭✭yawhat?


    Boggles wrote: »
    Sounds like she bounced back 2 years into the future.

    �� lots of makey uppy anecdotes on these threads. We had a lad whose wife continued to work in retail all through lockdown while simultaneously sitting on the couch and receiving the Covid payment.


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  • #6097
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    Our household had three long awaited hospital consultant appointments cancelled by individual letters this morning - all were due next month and no re-scheduled dates offered.

    One letter asked the patient to advise if the appointment was still needed. The appointment was originally sought by a doctor, not by the patient - why is the patient being asked to make a medical assessment of their condition?

    Helpfully though, a pre-paid hospital addressed envelope was included to post back the response - a lick and seal envelope!

    How long will it take for someone in the hospital to cop on that the replies are rolling in with in built saliva samples?


  • #6098
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,793 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    DangerScouse wrote: »
    But but but it doesn't spread in hotels or restaurants.

    Has someone actually said that it cannot spread within a group in a hotel or a restaurant?


  • #6099
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    Boggles wrote: »
    Sounds like she bounced back 2 years into the future.

    I wonder is she an auntie-vaxxer too?


  • #6100
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ger Roe wrote: »
    Our household had three long awaited hospital consultant appointments cancelled by individual letters this morning - all were due next month and no re-scheduled dates offered.

    One letter asked the patient to advise if the appointment was still needed. The appointment was originally sought by a doctor, not by the patient - why is the patient being asked to make a medical assessment of their condition?

    Helpfully though, a pre-paid hospital addressed envelope was included to post back the response - a lick and seal envelope!

    How long will it take for someone in the hospital to cop on that the replies are rolling in with in built saliva samples?

    You can use a moist sponge


  • #6101
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    polesheep wrote: »
    Typo. She's since turned 98. As I said, age alone doesn't seem to increase risk significantly. My aunt, apart from a degree of dementia, is in excellent physical health for her age.

    BTW Do you stalk every poster yourself or do you have a team working under you?

    So now she's 98? Stranger and stranger this covid. What are the government hiding?


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  • #6102
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Blondini wrote: »
    So now she's 98? Stranger and stranger this covid. What are the government hiding?

    Christ, there are some weirdos on this forum. The woman was 97 and turned 98 in August. Is that hard to grasp?


  • #6103
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Hospital numbers growing as expected. Highest since June.

    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1306880030870568960?s=20

    But isnt this expected regardless of anything.

    People get colds/coronaviruses more in the autumn and winter than in the summer.

    This is a fact


  • #6104
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    polesheep wrote: »
    Christ, there are some weirdos on this forum. The woman was 97 and turned 98 in August. Is that hard to grasp?

    It is if she's 99 now.




    Ps. She doesn't exist.


  • #6105
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You can use a moist sponge

    Of course you can.... but not everyone will. Why does a health dept take a risk?


  • #6106
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Blondini wrote: »
    It is if she's 99 now.




    Ps. She doesn't exist.

    And you do?

    I think it's high time I stopped dipping into this weird otherworld of Internet loners in search of someone to argue with.


  • #6107
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    Ger Roe wrote: »
    Our household had three long awaited hospital consultant appointments cancelled by individual letters this morning - all were due next month and no re-scheduled dates offered.

    One letter asked the patient to advise if the appointment was still needed. The appointment was originally sought by a doctor, not by the patient - why is the patient being asked to make a medical assessment of their condition?

    Helpfully though, a pre-paid hospital addressed envelope was included to post back the response - a lick and seal envelope!

    How long will it take for someone in the hospital to cop on that the replies are rolling in with in built saliva samples    ?

    There was this wonderful thing developed a good while ago called sellotape and an equally good one called paper adhesive (pritt stick and similar brand names.) Perhaps you haven`t heard of them? No need whatsoever for any tongues to come into contact with envelopes.


  • #6108
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ger Roe wrote: »
    Of course you can.... but not everyone will. Why does a health dept take a risk?

    It was a tongue in cheek reply - pardon the pun. Of course adhesive envelopes should be used


  • #6109
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    polesheep wrote: »
    And you do?

    I think it's high time I stopped dipping into this weird otherworld of Internet loners in search of someone to argue with.

    I agree, go visit Auntie Marty McFly instead :pac:

    Good luck .lol.


  • #6110
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    yawhat? wrote: »
    �� lots of makey uppy anecdotes on these threads. We had a lad whose wife continued to work in retail all through lockdown while simultaneously sitting on the couch and receiving the Covid payment.
    Arah, come on - if we're letting your man have two wives, it's hardly unreasonable to let polesheep have two aunts..


  • #6111
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The CI for incubation is 3-14 days. Without any data to back it up, you would imagine those with long incubation periods are more likely to have longer pre-symptomatic periods, and in your scenario, it would have required the exposed person to have been infectious within 24 hours, which is unlikely. The data for the most infectious period is 2 days before and 3 after symptoms.

    I do believe we should go to 72 hours on tracing however for margin of error
    Pre-symptomatic transmission (i.e. when the infector develops symptoms after transmitting the virus to another person) has been reported [29,46,47]. Exposure of secondary cases occurred 1–3 days before the source patient developed symptoms [47]. It has been inferred through modelling that, in the presence of control measures, pre-symptomatic transmission contributed to 48% and 62% of transmissions in Singapore and China, respectively [48]. Pre-symptomatic transmission was deemed likely based on a shorter serial interval of COVID-19 (4.0 to 4.6 days) than the mean incubation period (five days) [49].

    You would need to extend out your margin of error.


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  • #6112
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    robbiezero wrote: »
    Has someone actually said that it cannot spread within a group in a hotel or a restaurant?
    Woody97 says it categorically does not spread in schools so if something as mundane and unlikely as that confers immunity then anything is possible, especially if money is going into the economy.


  • #6113
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,106 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »
    But isnt this expected regardless of anything.

    People get colds/coronaviruses more in the autumn and winter than in the summer.

    This is a fact


    It sure is
    September's normal increase in coughs and colds is causing 'utter chaos' in Britain because the Government has left people terrified of coronavirus, top Oxford scientist warns MPs
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8744063/Septembers-normal-increase-coughs-colds-causing-utter-chaos-post-lockdown-Britain.html


  • #6114
    fly_agaric
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,350 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    It’s curious that very little information is forthcoming on the usefulness, or otherwise, of the app.
    There are ads on radio and TV every 10 minutes about keeping ‘Covid-safe’, but no mention of people being advised to download the app.
    If the app were successful, they would be shouting it from the rooftops. The fact that there is no mention of it leads me to think that it is practically useless.

    The ads they are running on radio (don't watch tv much) certainly do advise you to download and install the application.
    I visit HSE website and what greets me is a huge banner advising people to download it.

    It is difficult to tell what effect it is having because of the inherently anonymised/decentralised nature of the technology as forced by privacy concerns (article from a few months ago).

    https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-53525712

    The article suggests HSE may have some information on it, but perhaps only if people "opt in" to collection of additional data when installing application?

    edit: another interesting article involving the app doing what it is supposed to (I think may have been posted before):

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0917/1165854-drogheda-school-covid-19/
    Teachers at one of the country's largest second level schools have expressed concern at what they say are mixed messages they received from the HSE in relation to being deemed a close contact of a person with Covid-19.

    St Oliver’s Community College in Drogheda closed to more than half its students after more than 30 of its teachers were alerted yesterday via the Covid tracker app that they were close contacts of a virus case.


  • #6115
    Tokyo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,655 ✭✭✭✭Tokyo


    Mod: @DangerScouse - your last range of threads are at best deliberately trying to get a rise out of people, and others are just straight up personal digs. Take 48 hours away from the thread to reconsider how you post.

    Plenty of other posters have slipped into 'being dickish' territory. Up the posting style or I will remove non-contributors from the thread.


  • #6116
    Le Bruise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,357 ✭✭✭Le Bruise


    The alleged advice for no indoor dining in pubs and restaurants is mad. May as well just close them all, as they can’t function on a few al fresco tables. We have an outdoor table booked for the rugby tomorrow, but it’s one of about 6/7 outdoor tables available in this particular pub. Assume they’ll just keep the doors shut if the restrictions go through as they’re suggested.


  • #6117
    the corpo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,817 ✭✭✭the corpo


    So, under Level 2.5 nursing home visits have been drastically reduced, one visit a week. Does anyone know if this stays the same in Level 3.5, or will they be stopped altogether?


  • #6118
    rob316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,734 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    So they are closing gastro pubs and restaurants in Dublin. Utterly pointless it will achieve nothing, only push these businesses further into the red.


  • #6119
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Paul Reid mentioned that community transmission has accounted for 40% of infections in the last 7 days. That's huge.
    Paul Reid expressed concern that 39% of cases in the last seven days have come from the community and the source cannot be pinpointed. Mr Reid also said that high positivity levels for Covid-19 testing among those presenting for a test is also a worrying sign.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40050959.html

    Public health doctor on Claire Byrne mentioned the risk of indoor dining increased risk and referenced US CDC report.


    https://twitter.com/linseymarr/status/1304104615730991106?s=20


  • #6120
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,724 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I think we should all listen to Professor Gerry Killeen and Professor Sam McConkey but despite all their qualifications and experience they'll be dismissed as doom mongers because they are not saying positive stuff.
    They are just being real about this thing.

    Killeen was calling for facemasks to be made a must months ago. He was against schools reopening. He says we are going to end up in a far worse economic situation by trying to live with the virus.Killeen has years upon years of experience dealing with this type of thing, mainly in Africa.
    McConkey warned at the end of July that we were heading to a bad place again. His recommendation months ago was no schools until November.

    If we listened to these guys from the outset we'd be in a very good situation now. It's not too late to start listening to them.


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  • #6121
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    the corpo wrote: »
    So, under Level 2.5 nursing home visits have been drastically reduced, one visit a week. Does anyone know if this stays the same in Level 3.5, or will they be stopped altogether?

    All but compassionate visits are to be suspended in phase 3.

    But then god knows if they'll actually implement that bit. My guess is they will. I would.


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