Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

Balmed Out · 17-09-2020 10:16PM

Disappointed for people and business's in Dublin. I'd like to have seen every business given the opportunity to open / remain open. Was in the north east recently and the level of compliance with social distancing and masks was poor compared to West Cork. On busier streets most will wear a mask here while no one seemed to in the north east with plenty not doing it in shops etc either.

alentejo · 17-09-2020 10:17PM

The minister claimed that the restrictions would be in place for 2 or 3 weeks. Watch this space. Will be there for at least 6 to 8 weeks!

17-09-2020 10:17PM

speckle wrote: »

well I am happier, consiering the amount of 80+s in the family, as I found this today
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/declining-covid-19-case-fatality-rates-across-all-ages-analysis-of-german-data/

...Crude estimates of the CFR over time show that for people aged 80 and over the average CFR was 29% up to week 18, fell to 17% in weeks 19 to 27, and for mid-July onwards the CFR was 11% – a decrease of 61%.

A larger decrease is seen in the ages 60-79 with average CFR ~ 9% in March/April falling to 2% in July August. ...

Going the right way at least

I like stories like these.

Nobody really knows why. Leo said as much. Weaker/more testing. We don't know.

Point is it's positive.

growleaves · 17-09-2020 10:17PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Yes we should be more like them. We are very different.

Their off license is run by the state and closes at 7pm on weekdays and 3pm on Saturdays.

Of course. Prohibitionism is the key. Alcohol is the real virus.

"In Sweden none is ever better than anybody else and it is considered completely vulgar to brag about yourself or even point out one of your good sides

Since when are Irish people braggers? Most Irish people are insanely shy and low self esteem, they would be too embarrassed to go on a boastful rant.

17-09-2020 10:17PM

gmisk wrote: »

That all sounds grand to me.
I just like a lot of people would like to go out and have dinner and a glass of wine, not looking to get flipping trollied.

It would make sense in the red light district, drunk mostly tourists wouldn't be exactly helpful atm

Know what you mean, apart from the wine, don't like it, but that's not the majority of people when it comes to pubs, regardless of their age.

normanoffside · 17-09-2020 10:18PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Well you asked, it would take a complete culture change.

I'm sick of people thinking that 'Swedes. Finns. Germans' etc are somehow better than us.
I've lived in many countries and we all have our troublemakers, alchos, Druggies, social problems etc.

People abroad have a much higher respect for Irish people than we do of ourselves, yet our own politicians don't seem to trust us very much.

fritzelly · 17-09-2020 10:18PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Sure I added New Zealand too for context.

Pointless comparison graph - doesn't take into account amount of tests done

Don't test - don't find cases

hetuzozaho · 17-09-2020 10:19PM

delly wrote: »

I find it hilarious that people are blaming NPHET for 'forcing' people into mass gatherings at home. Jesus Christ people, they can only do so much and at the end of the day it comes down to personal responsibility. Not a single person outside my household has crossed my front door since March. It sucks, but that's just the way it is.

Yes! It's mad to listen to it all.

Oh and here's a loophole that means I can do exactly what I want. Now NEHPET fix that!

Arghus · 17-09-2020 10:19PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

WTF Pearse Doherty accused of dumping on health care workers.

Niall Collins was trying to get a dig in, it was a bit below the belt, but it's Pearse so I didn't mind his sanctimonious holier than thouness getting a bit of a kicking.

normanoffside · 17-09-2020 10:20PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Do you know where the cases trend before going up?
Down!

Their peak is a month behind the likes of the UK, so it's too early to be saying they are doing good or bad.

But they haven't changed any rules or 'opened up' because they never closed down in the first place.

Your argument is pretty stupid given that fact.

17-09-2020 10:20PM

growleaves wrote: »

Of course. Prohibitionism is the key. Alcohol is the real virus.

Since when are Irish people braggers? Most Irish people are insanely shy and low self esteem, they would be too embarrassed to go on a boastful rant.

Plenty here talking about my area is good numbers wise. A small bit distasteful in polite conversation.

17-09-2020 10:21PM

alentejo wrote: »

The minister claimed that the restrictions would be in place for 2 or 3 weeks. Watch this space. Will be there for at least 6 to 8 weeks!

What did they say about the USC? A temporary measure?

caveat emptor · 17-09-2020 10:22PM

growleaves wrote: »

Of course. Prohibitionism is the key. Alcohol is the real virus.

Since when are Irish people braggers? Most Irish people are insanely shy and low self esteem, they would be too embarrassed to go on a boastful rant.

I hear cork is doing great. We are great at giving ourselves a pat on the back. You wouldn't catch a swede doing that.

As for prohibition, whatever you are into I suppose, won't happen here though, it's part of the social fabric. I think pubs should open in Dublin. It's not fair otherwise.

Funsterdelux · 17-09-2020 10:22PM

normanoffside wrote: »

I'm sick of people thinking that 'Swedes. Finns. Germans' etc are somehow better than us.
I've lived in many countries and we all have our troublemakers, alchos, Druggies, social problems etc.

People abroad have a much higher respect for Irish people than we do of ourselves, yet our own politicians don't seem to trust us very much.

Haha, I never said better, culturally different.

Maybe latitude has something to do with it?

Seamai · 17-09-2020 10:23PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Have you ever been to Sweden?

Like Finland (whose population get ferries every weekend to Estonia to buy trolley loads of Booze), most of the alcohol they consume is home brew wine and vodka because o the state restrictions and taxes.

They are just like us in many ways, they find ways to get around state restrictions, rules and taxes.

I was on one of those ferries once from Tallinn to Helsinki, I was probably the only sober person on it, skidded on vomit several times.

ixoy · 17-09-2020 10:23PM

delly wrote: »

I find it hilarious that people are blaming NPHET for 'forcing' people into mass gatherings at home. Jesus Christ people, they can only do so much and at the end of the day it comes down to personal responsibility.

Sure but again shutting down restaurants is hardly going to make the people who are mixing suddenly stop is it? They'll meet anyway so better in a more controlled environment.

Not a single person outside my household has crossed my front door since March. It sucks, but that's just the way it is.

Not sure if you've got someone at risk in your house, but if not then that would be very unusual at this point.

Wolf359f · 17-09-2020 10:24PM

normanoffside wrote: »

But they haven't changed any rules or 'opened up' because they never closed down in the first place.

Your argument is pretty stupid given that fact.

Oh there was plenty of changes in Sweden, to think they just went about their life without any changes is ludicrous.
The main difference is, the Government has very little power to force changes (unless during wartime) so it was up to the public to be responsible.

Spiderman0081 · 17-09-2020 10:24PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Have you ever been to Sweden?

Like Finland (whose population get ferries every weekend to Estonia to buy trolley loads of Booze), most of the alcohol they consume is home brew wine and vodka because o the state restrictions and taxes.

They are just like us in many ways, they find ways to get around state restrictions, rules and taxes.

What are you on about?

speckle · 17-09-2020 10:24PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I like stories like these.

Nobody really knows why. Leo said as much. Weaker/more testing. We don't know.

Point is it's positive.

they are now working on the uks data to divide into ages and check also, they were taking into consideration testing numbers by the look of it and also say

...Given German CFRs were low to start within the older age groups, it is likely in countries with higher CFRs at the outset, the effect could be more extensive....

I think a more targeted approach re treatments is part of it

17-09-2020 10:25PM

Balmed Out wrote: »

Disappointed for people and business's in Dublin. I'd like to have seen every business given the opportunity to open / remain open. Was in the north east recently and the level of compliance with social distancing and masks was poor compared to West Cork. On busier streets most will wear a mask here while no one seemed to in the north east with plenty not doing it in shops etc either.

All counties will be in same boat soon enough of that I'm sure of.

DangerScouse · 17-09-2020 10:25PM

delly wrote: »

I find it hilarious that people are blaming NPHET for 'forcing' people into mass gatherings at home. Jesus Christ people, they can only do so much and at the end of the day it comes down to personal responsibility. Not a single person outside my household has crossed my front door since March. It sucks, but that's just the way it is.

The selfish generation, that's what we have now. And before people think im sh1tting all over Ireland im not. It's the same in most western nations.

gmisk · 17-09-2020 10:25PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What did they say about the USC? A temporary measure?

Didn't FG say they were going to phase it out in 5 budgets at one stage....lol

Balmed Out · 17-09-2020 10:27PM

Deleted User wrote: »

All counties will be in same boat soon enough of that I'm sure of.

One way or the other

normanoffside · 17-09-2020 10:27PM

Seamai wrote: »

I was on one of those ferries once from Tallinn to Helsinki, I was probably the only sober person on it, skidded on vomit several times.

The 'Booze cruise' as they call it.
Luckily they are still both on each others green lists and were so throughout the pandemic

But yeah, us Irish can't be trusted so we should close our own off licences :rolleyes:

Hego Damask · 17-09-2020 10:27PM

BOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Are we all dead yet ?

17-09-2020 10:28PM

Hego Damask wrote: »

BOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Are we all dead yet ?

Classy.

Wolf359f · 17-09-2020 10:28PM

Deleted User wrote: »

All counties will be in same boat soon enough of that I'm sure of.

Nolan flagged some counties and also mentioned the rest are on the same curve as Dublin, just a little behind. How opening pint pubs will help lower cases or level them off in the rest of the country will be interesting. Maybe the house cluster will move to the pubs instead?

MaccaTacca · 17-09-2020 10:28PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

So for example people in Shankill or any other border area in Dublin can't go into a restaurant if this comes to pass in their local area but they can hop onto a dart or a bus and head into Bray for example and have a meal and a few drinks.

Absolutely no logic to this, close the controlled environment to stop house gatherings.... because that makes loads of sense

They can walk that distance in 25 minutes.

The whole thing is absolute joke at this point.

Plumbthedepths · 17-09-2020 10:30PM

Hego Damask wrote: »

BOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Are we all dead yet ?

Death is guaranteed, for everyone. When and how is the only uncertainty.

normanoffside · 17-09-2020 10:30PM

Spiderman0081 wrote: »

What are you on about?

What are you on about?

Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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