Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

17-09-2020 07:38PM

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/dubliners-homes-have-become-the-new-petri-dishes-as-all-safety-rules-go-out-of-the-window-39538527.html

CalamariFritti · 17-09-2020 07:41PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

No , it is . It is getting into the older age groups now and a lot , who , btw, are nowhere near their pension yet , are being admitted .

9 percent healthcare workers infected , all ages . Two thirds of these are still suffering after effects even though they are " recovered" , from a survey recently published
They were deemed recovered sooner than most in the the community because they were needed back at work !

The numbers don't lie. All age groups are getting it and we are not seeing 15% of all cases end up in hospital and 5% in ICU. Its fractions of that and as we learn more about the true number of cases the percentages will keep going down. Plus treatments improve a lot too.

We cant take our eye off it, agreed, but its not what we thought it was.

Non solum non ambulabit · 17-09-2020 07:41PM

giveitholly wrote: »

I presume your business or employment didn't go down the swanny last March,What about people who have lost their livelihood and now face the possibility of defaulting on their mortgages? Are you going to tell them to man up?

The attitude of I'm alright and that's all that matters is alive and well in eagle

Goldengirl · 17-09-2020 07:41PM

Boggles wrote: »

Of course they are contributing to the spread.

We don't know how much they are because our level of sophistication when it comes to tracking the virus is at best basic. But the idea that the only indoor space in the country where people are not required to wear masks is not causing community transmission is pretty farcical.

They'll be the first thing to go in Dublin when it becomes apparent they acted too late and they have to bump it up to 4.5 or 3.7 with measures from 4 and 5.

Also one thing I did notice was at Level 3, wet pubs get to stay open whilst Museums where you have to wear a mask and numbers are limited have to close.

#culture

Before schools opened , cases had started to rise from when food pubs were opened .
It was noted here but people were told it wasn't an issue because it suited the pro Vintners agenda .
Some stuck to the rules and others didn't.
The ones that didn't were more than likely , along with house parties , the start of this .

17-09-2020 07:42PM

manofwisdom wrote: »

Average amount of cases per day for each county over the last two weeks. (not counting this evenings reported cases)

Dublin 109
Kildare 9
Limerick 8
Louth 8
Waterford 6
Wicklow 5
Cork 5
Donegal 5
Meath 4
Galway 4
Wexford 4
Offaly 4
Clare 3
Westmeath 3
Laois 3
Tipperary 2
Kilkenny 2
Kerry 2
Leitrim 2
Mayo 2
Longford 2
Carlow 2
Cavan 1
Monaghan 1
Roscommon 1
Carlow 1
Sligo 0.35

Highest and lowest similar to first wave. Dublin and Sligo used in sirology testing. Using high and low pravelance.

DangerScouse · 17-09-2020 07:44PM

eagle eye wrote: »

It amazes me the amount of people moaning about how tough life is with restrictions. First world problems for sure.
It's time all these people learned to man up, live with restrictions and accept them.
I haven't found it tough at all. I'm happy to protect myself and my family. Obviously there are things I miss but I can live without them.
If we all stfu and do the right thing for a couple of months we won't have a problem and we can go back to something near normal.
And hopefully we have a vaccine by February or March and we can all go back to doing what we want.

Best post I've read on the subject.

ACitizenErased · 17-09-2020 07:45PM

I see the "I'm in favour of the economy tanking" crew are out in force

Curious_Case · 17-09-2020 07:45PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Naive question, but could not the government come to some arrangement with the banks so that mortgages are put on hold for those people who are out of work due to the pandemic?

I mean, they do owe us, the banks.

It wasn't naive at all.

Perhaps expecting our "suit boys" to put manners on the banks is naive though.

Your post read like "I'm alright Jack".

17-09-2020 07:46PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

The numbers don't lie. All age groups are getting it and we are not seeing 15% of all cases end up in hospital and 5% in ICU. Its fractions of that and as we learn more about the true number of cases the percentages will keep going down. Plus treatments improve a lot too.

We cant take our eye off it, agreed, but its not what we thought it was.

Agreed. A lot more positive than March and April.

Happydays2020 · 17-09-2020 07:51PM

Did I read correctly that Paul Reid of the HSE was criticising the Government and specifically the coalition in speaking with more than one voice.

Now this is the head of the HSE who has still not delivered 100k tests a week, and withdrew the serial testing from meat plants due to such capacity constraints, and we have an outbreak in a meat plant in Waterford.

Not to mention the mess that was made of the PPE and the money that was spent on private hospitals yet could never be utilised as they never had staff. I am sure we can point to the nursing homes also if we wanted to.

Ficheall · 17-09-2020 07:52PM

niallo27 wrote: »

How did you get your 1 in 54 chance please. We have 27000 cases so far if it continues like this, it will be 36k so that's 1 in 138 for the year. If 1 in 200 die that is 1 in about 28k chance of dieing from it. If your under 50 its about 1 in 140k.

I took one day (today), in isolation as you did, dividing 4.9million (the country's population) by 250 (today's cases) giving 1 chance in ~19600, which is where I presume you got your 1 in 20000 figure from?
I then divided that 19600 by 365 (the number of days in a year) to get ~54, to give the chance of catching covid during the year.

Obviously it's farcical to base any calculations on one day, but I believe you started it.

Edit: Apologies - yesterday's cases - the page I was looking at had not updated to today's. So 1/60 is closer if we're using today.

growleaves · 17-09-2020 07:54PM

COVID-19: Psychiatrists assess geriatric harm from social distancing

“What I hear from many Italian colleagues and friends and directors of mental health services is that emergency admissions related to mental disorders declined during the first wave of the COVID pandemic. For example, not many people attended emergency departments due to suicide attempts; there was a very marked decrease in the number of suicide attempts during the worst days of the pandemic,” he said.

People with psychiatric conditions were afraid to go to the hospital because they thought they would contract the infection and die there. That’s changing now, however.

“Now there is an increased number of admissions to mental health units. A new wave. It has been a U-shaped curve. And we’re now witnessing an increasing number of fatal suicides due to persistent fears, due to people imagining that there is no more room for them, and no more future for them from a financial point of view – which is the major negative outcome of this crisis. It will be a disaster for many families,” the psychiatrist continued.

A noteworthy phenomenon in northern Italy was that, when tablets were made available to nursing home residents in an effort to enhance their connectedness to the outside world, those with dementia often became so frustrated and confused by their difficulty in using the devices that they developed a hypokinetic delirium marked by refusal to eat or leave their bed, he reported.

It’s far too early to have reliable data on suicide trends in response to the pandemic, according to Dr. de Leo. But one thing is for sure: The strategy of social distancing employed to curb COVID-19 has increased the prevalence of known risk factors for suicide in older individuals, including loneliness, anxiety, and depression; increased alcohol use; and a perception of being a burden on society. Dr. de Leo directs a foundation dedicated to helping people experiencing traumatic bereavement, and in one recent week, the foundation was contacted by eight families in the province of Padua with a recent death by suicide apparently related to fallout from the COVID-19 pandemic. That’s an unusually high spike in suicide in a province with a population of 1 million.

Happydays2020 · 17-09-2020 07:54PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I see the "I'm in favour of the economy tanking" crew are out in force

If you have not listened already, Dan O’Brien produced a master class in perspective on Claire Byrne this morning.

What Username Guidelines · 17-09-2020 07:57PM

eagle eye wrote: »

It amazes me the amount of people moaning about how tough life is with restrictions. First world problems for sure.
It's time all these people learned to man up, live with restrictions and accept them.
I haven't found it tough at all. I'm happy to protect myself and my family. Obviously there are things I miss but I can live without them.
If we all stfu and do the right thing for a couple of months we won't have a problem and we can go back to something near normal.
And hopefully we have a vaccine by February or March and we can all go back to doing what we want.

Plenty of people have lost their jobs, shored up on pup and payment breaks, that’ll run out. We already did, for the most part, stfu and did the right thing for a couple of months, but it crippled the country and the payoff only lasted a short while. And that’s with many still being incredibly careful.

I don’t have all the answers to what we should do. I’m personally ok, lucky in fact, as I’m working from home in what appears to be stable at least in the short term. But there’s a ton of problems piling up behind us we need to deal with.

growleaves · 17-09-2020 07:57PM

Social distancing comes with psychological fallout

Many quarantined individuals experienced both short- and long-term mental health problems, including stress, insomnia, emotional exhaustion and substance abuse. For instance, one study compared quarantined versus non-quarantined individuals during an equine influenza outbreak. Of 2,760 quarantined people, 34 percent, or 938 individuals, reported high levels of psychological distress, which can indicate mental health problems such as anxiety and depression, during the outbreak compared with 12 percent of non-quarantined individuals.

Certain factors increased the risk of psychological problems, such as quarantines lasting longer than 10 days (which was associated mostly with post-traumatic stress), poor information about the rationale for the quarantine, and lack of access to necessary supplies and telecommunication services.

Though most people living in coronavirus-stricken countries aren’t quarantined, research elsewhere suggests even less-extreme forms of social distancing, such as staying several feet away from other people or avoiding regular outings, might take a toll.

The potential for social distancing to become a long-term event is what worries psychiatrist Damir Huremovic of Northwell Health in Manhasset, N.Y. Health problems associated with social isolation tend to crop up when the situation goes on beyond a few weeks, he says. Walling people off from one another for months means the secondary effects of the pandemic, such as recession, social unrest and unemployment, could trigger unpredictable and widespread mental health challenges. “I sincerely hope we do not get to this stage,” says Huremovic, who cowrote and edited the 2019 book Psychiatry of Pandemics: A Mental Health Response to Infection Outbreak.

Goldengirl · 17-09-2020 07:57PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

The numbers don't lie. All age groups are getting it and we are not seeing 15% of all cases end up in hospital and 5% in ICU. Its fractions of that and as we learn more about the true number of cases the percentages will keep going down. Plus treatments improve a lot too.

We cant take our eye off it, agreed, but its not what we thought it was.

Look if you had said that a few weeks ago I would probably have agreed with you , but not with the numbers for the last week .
Admissions to hospital have risen by 50% and ICU admissions and deaths have doubled in the last week and a half , alone and set to double again in the next 10 days unless new restrictions and people's behaviour get it under control .
The numbers in hospital and ICU are the ones I am looking at not the numbers of outside with milder infections .

pjohnson · 17-09-2020 08:00PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I see the "I'm in favour of the economy tanking" crew are out in force

I see theres no more frantic downplaying of the numbers for some reason.

Too many outliers to ignore.

MerlinSouthDub · 17-09-2020 08:00PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I see the "I'm in favour of the economy tanking" crew are out in force

They sure are.... And all of them seem to have jobs where they can work from home on a full salary. Possibly, their views are somewhat influenced by this!

stephenjmcd · 17-09-2020 08:02PM

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1306667909536768001?s=19

growleaves · 17-09-2020 08:04PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Too many outliers to ignore.

When it comes to discussion of the economic and psychiatric damage caused by the restrictions on this thread there are too many out-and-out liars to ignore.

CiarraiManc · 17-09-2020 08:06PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You are on fire today

do you have a personal problem with people disagreeing with you or something?

spookwoman · 17-09-2020 08:08PM

CiarraiManc wrote: »

do you have a personal problem with people disagreeing with you or something?

You must be new here

CiarraiManc · 17-09-2020 08:09PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Look if you had said that a few weeks ago I would probably have agreed with you , but not with the numbers for the last week .
Admissions to hospital have risen by 50% and ICU admissions and deaths have doubled in the last week and a half , alone and set to double again in the next 10 days unless new restrictions and people's behaviour get it under control .
The numbers in hospital and ICU are the ones I am looking at not the numbers of outside with milder infections .

Agreed I can see the hospital situation only getting uglier hopefully our medical staff aren't forces to pick and choose who gets treated and who gets left to die. **** the economy lads lives matter more people shouldn't be reduced to a percentage of gdp

CiarraiManc · 17-09-2020 08:10PM

spookwoman wrote: »

You must be new here

Do I stick out that much ðŸ˜‚

Ll31 · 17-09-2020 08:13PM

Apologies if I've missed it but do we have up to date dtls of deaths in terms of date occurred as opposed to dates reported.?

spookwoman · 17-09-2020 08:16PM

Ll31 wrote: »

Apologies if I've missed it but do we have up to date dtls of deaths in terms of date occurred as opposed to dates reported.?

best bet would be page ll report is up the the 14th midnight https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/casesinireland/epidemiologyofcovid-19inireland/COVID-19_Daily_epidemiology_report_(NPHET)_v1.0_20200916_website.pdf

Happydays2020 · 17-09-2020 08:16PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1306667909536768001?s=19

Why did he need to make that public?

yourdeadwright · 17-09-2020 08:17PM

eagle eye wrote: »

It amazes me the amount of people moaning about how tough life is with restrictions. First world problems for sure.
It's time all these people learned to man up, live with restrictions and accept them.
I haven't found it tough at all. I'm happy to protect myself and my family. Obviously there are things I miss but I can live without them.
If we all stfu and do the right thing for a couple of months we won't have a problem and we can go back to something near normal.
And hopefully we have a vaccine by February or March and we can all go back to doing what we want.

You don't live other peoples life's so it's possible not everyone finds it easy like you

Some folks would rather see there loved one in there final years than be locked up and unable to spend the last year or two in there company

Some people will lose there jobs and there houses and there relationships due to another lockdown

Don't be so self centered to belive just because it's fine for you it's fine for everyone else,

The fly vaccine been around for 80 years and is only 50% efficient why will this one be any different,

niallo27 · 17-09-2020 08:17PM

Ficheall wrote: »

I took one day (today), in isolation as you did, dividing 4.9million (the country's population) by 250 (today's cases) giving 1 chance in ~19600, which is where I presume you got your 1 in 20000 figure from?
I then divided that 19600 by 365 (the number of days in a year) to get ~54, to give the chance of catching covid during the year.

Obviously it's farcical to base any calculations on one day, but I believe you started it.

Edit: Apologies - yesterday's cases - the page I was looking at had not updated to today's. So 1/60 is closer if we're using today.

By your figures we would have over 91k cases by years end so we would need to average over 640 cases a day until the end of the year. What about my yearly average stats of 1 in 28k chance of dieing from it.

Funsterdelux · 17-09-2020 08:22PM

Renvenue came out and said a few weeks back that tax take wasnt as bad as forecasted during the stronger restrictions.

Fair enough people have lost jobs, have to pay mortgages etc. But thats the risk you take when you take one out. Many got stung 10-12 years ago too, thats the nature of the economy that we have to feed.

Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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