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Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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  • #5012
    Mental Mickey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,669 ✭✭✭✭Mental Mickey


    Deleted User wrote: »
    every time they do make a decision theres another fifty posts from lunatics here about "tyranny"

    the idea, again, that you can manage an emergent, high risk and complex situation like this in any of the ways any of the massively contradictory posts on here suggest and keep anything like a majority of people happy (who the **** could be happy about any of this?) is such transparent nonsense

    but im consistently shocked by the level of immaturity and perspective people are
    proud to exhibit on the whole thing.

    toys out of prams isnt in it.

    makes the early days where it felt like everyone was pulling together a fond bloody memory tbh


    Great post


  • #5013
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,757 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    lucernarian wrote: »
    The Irish one is a fairly useless statistic, given many thousands of cases were probably missed in the spring while we wasted time testing obvious cases while healthcare professionals weren't even prioritised at one point.

    That’s the point I’m trying to make yeah. If we go bt CFR vs IFR it insinuates we have missed 9 out of every 10 cases


  • #5014
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Why are they sticking to “it doesn’t spread in classes?”

    I keep hearing people reference this, who are "they" and where did they say it doesn't spread in classrooms?

    It spreads everywhere, some places more-so than others. But with some level of balance, we need to have children in school as much as possible. It isn't binary safe vs not safe. As alarmist as the following statment sounds, nowhere is safe. But it's about looking at risk vs a functioning society and economy. Not open it all and let her rip, nor close it all down and live like hermits.

    There is a spectrum here and we need to figure out where on the 'panic to relax' scale we need to point the needle. Easier said than done.


  • #5015
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,757 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    /\/ollog wrote: »
    Exercise must be done in a gym. Got it.

    I've been doing push-ups and sit-ups daily, all at home. Anecdotal evidence I know, feel free to disregard.

    Maybe, just maybe, what makes you mentally happy isn’t what makes others mentally happy? Just a suggestion.


  • #5016
    The Nal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,887 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Deleted User wrote: »
    makes the early days where it felt like everyone was pulling together a fond bloody memory tbh

    And thats with weather that 22c today and its nearly the weekend.

    Theres another 6 months of this to go through. Winter too. Freezing cold, rain, dark at 8am, dark at 4.30pm, can't go anywhere or do anything, huge rising numbers etc.

    Saddle up.


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  • #5017
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    /\/ollog wrote: »
    You can do push-ups are home and jog on roads.

    People seem to be pulling the mental health excuse more lately.

    People seem to be pulling the Covid health excuse more lately.

    Mental illness is as real as physical illness.


  • #5018
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    US2 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/_BenFinnegan/status/1306522863982333952?s=19

    This is getting into messy territory. The government rely heavily on the media to broadcast their message.

    This bull**** of Martin and Donnelly constantly "rejecting" confusion is unbelievable. You don't get to decide if others are confused by your messaging.


  • #5019
    Nollog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,709 ✭✭✭Nollog


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Maybe, just maybe, what makes you mentally happy isn’t what makes others mentally happy? Just a suggestion.

    I'm aware of that. The thing that bothers me is when "I can't do a pub crawl this weekend?! I will travel to bray!" Is a quote from the Dublin thread.
    That's not mental health, that's mental unwellness. Depending on alcohol sounds like alcoholism.

    I never said it wasn't hard on some people, just that it's being misused by some.


  • #5020
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,757 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Donnelly getting feisty

    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1306554301683249152?s=21


  • #5021
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    US2 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/_BenFinnegan/status/1306522863982333952?s=19

    HSE doctors being forced to fall on their sword and journalists being told what to write. I can't believe we have come to this.


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  • #5022
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    CFR seems to be trending at 0.20% now

    https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-1914-dayepidemiologyreports/COVID-19_14_day_epidemiology_report_20200915_Website.pdf

    2524 cases and only 3 went to the ICU

    Even if we get to 1000 cases a day, only 1 will need to go to the ICU daily, reading that

    Have I seen more a blatant misunderstanding of data in a post on this site? I don't believe so


  • #5023
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    dalyboy wrote: »
    Locked down for 3-5 years ?
    So certain death by starvation brought on by economic suicide is preferable to death by a virus with a CFR of 0.3% ?
    Yeah makes loads of sense .... sure .. but then again we don’t live in a monty python movie.
    Until recently we were the most food secure nation in the world. We have been overtaken by Singapore recently, but that index doesn't take into account the quality of the food (ie. America is the 3rd most food secure nation on the planet apparently but they also have food deserts where you can't find any fresh produce for miles around, only fast food).

    If we were to close the borders and operate internally for a prolonged period, starvation would not be an issue. Other countries have closed their borders for non-essential reasons. Did you see Wuhan's first passenger flight today? They had hazmat suits on cleaning the thing, everyone in masks and the testing regime is rigorous - you get three tests if you're looking to fly in or out.


  • #5024
    Sanjuro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭Sanjuro


    /\/ollog wrote: »
    Exercise must be done in a gym. Got it.

    I've been doing push-ups and sit-ups daily, all at home. Anecdotal evidence I know, feel free to disregard.

    Don't give a crap about your gym opinions. But we have a crisis of mental health in this country. And to disregard people's mental health concerns as "an excuse" doesn't help the stigma.


  • #5025
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    The Nal wrote: »
    And thats with weather that 22c today and its nearly the weekend.

    Theres another 6 months of this to go through. Winter too. Freezing cold, rain, dark at 8am, dark at 4.30pm, can't go anywhere or do anything, huge rising numbers etc.

    Saddle up.


    ive the media centre stuffed full of box sets and the iptv set up for sport and the rest

    tons of books on the kindle that ive always wanted to get round to

    rowing machine bought from decathlon the last week.

    recipes ive been looking to do

    no commute. work my hours when i like.

    i miss the pints. and if five a side gets cancelled again I'll miss it something rotten

    but as long as the water, electric and broadband keep running i see nothing to knock me this winter as long as the lunatics dont get too much coverage

    people that are doomsaying this were doomsaying before it and doomsaying after it.

    either they love the self importance of the woe betidings echoing out from them, or they have axes to grind with anyone that gets to make a decision about things that hasnt consulted them

    wisdom is in neither approach. wisdom is challenging these traits when you have to and can find the energy, and avoiding them when you cant.

    first world country, nobody starving and probably fewer on the streets than ever. technology is a miracle for communication, distraction, learning and working.

    and theres a sizeable minority that are wallowing as if covid has come along and ended their lives.

    or as if, were they the benevolent dictator, ireland would have it solved by now.

    the self delusion is comical, but the message is toxic and id urge anyone reading to take stock of their positives and maintain balance. times are tough enough without lending mental resources to the frothing mob.


  • #5026
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,512 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    As alarmist as the following statment sounds, nowhere is safe.

    Pubs are.

    According to the "data".


  • #5027
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    The brother in DIT is in one Tuesday every 3 weeks, everything else online
    When did he get his timetable, as a matter of interest? I know NUIG were encouraging people to try get accommodation ages ago, despite many classes moving online, but only realeased timetables within the last week or so, and people now have accommodation booked for only a couple of hours on campus a week. Really sh1tty response by the uni.


  • #5028
    CiarraiManc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 204 ✭✭CiarraiManc


    The Nal wrote: »
    And thats with weather that 22c today and its nearly the weekend.

    Theres another 6 months of this to go through. Winter too. Freezing cold, rain, dark at 8am, dark at 4.30pm, can't go anywhere or do anything, huge rising numbers etc.

    Saddle up.

    exactly and it's all self inflicted and was 100% avoidable. It's going to be a grim Christmas plenty of empty seats at the table where someone should've been good help us


  • #5029
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    CiarraiManc wrote: »
    people can forget about their Christmas piss up one year won't bloody kill them

    I don't think the piss up is what people truly care about now come on.
    can you imagine how the usual "diaspora returning home through the terminals" RTE segment will look? jasus, that's normally such a nice item too.

    poor Ryan tubridy will be shedding tears of gloom and doom now with no Toyshow:


  • #5030
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,757 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    CiarraiManc wrote: »
    exactly and it's all self inflicted and was 100% avoidable. It's going to be a grim Christmas plenty of empty seats at the table where someone should've been good help us

    Ah ffs


  • #5031
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    rusty cole wrote: »
    I don't think the piss up is what people truly care about now come on.
    can you imagine how the usual "diaspora returning home through the terminals" RTE segment will look? jasus, that's normally such a nice item too.

    poor Ryan tubridy will be shedding tears of gloom and doom now with no Toyshow:

    I think toy show is on and he wants it bigger and better than normal


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  • #5032
    SPDUB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,348 ✭✭✭SPDUB


    rusty cole wrote: »
    poor Ryan tubridy will be shedding tears of gloom and doom now with no Toyshow:

    Toyshow is going ahead


  • #5033
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    SPDUB wrote: »
    Toyshow is going ahead

    will this suffering never end


  • #5034
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    CiarraiManc wrote: »
    exactly and it's all self inflicted and was 100% avoidable. It's going to be a grim Christmas plenty of empty seats at the table where someone should've been good help us

    And Tiny Tim's crutches by the fireplace.


  • #5035
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    CFR = number of deaths / number of confirmed cases

    = 1784 / 31192 = 5.7%

    I know that

    I'm talking about this report

    Why are you ignoring it?

    https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-1914-dayepidemiologyreports/COVID-19_14_day_epidemiology_report_20200915_Website.pdf


  • #5036
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Have I seen more a blatant misunderstanding of data in a post on this site? I don't believe so

    What misunderstanding?

    HSE put in those stats

    2500+ cases, 3 ICU

    Why did they put those stat's in?


  • #5037
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    I keep hearing people reference this, who are "they" and where did they say it doesn't spread in classrooms?

    They do. The current Irish government.
    The following quote is from the current guidance on children and schools.


    Evidence from the first wave of COVID-19 appears to indicate that children are not as susceptible to COVID-19 infection as adults. Furthermore, a recent review of available international evidence by HIQA indicates that children do not seem to play a major role in disease transmission.

    https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/resilience-and-recovery-plan-for-living-with-covid-19-your-questions-answered/


  • #5038
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    That’s the point I’m trying to make yeah. If we go bt CFR vs IFR it insinuates we have missed 9 out of every 10 cases

    At some point in time

    How can you prove that's true now?


  • #5039
    Nollog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,709 ✭✭✭Nollog


    Sanjuro wrote: »
    Don't give a crap about your gym opinions. But we have a crisis of mental health in this country. And to disregard people's mental health concerns as "an excuse" doesn't help the stigma.

    Exercise is shown to help mental health issues.

    Believe me I have first and third hand experience with mental health issues, I don't take it lightly and didn't mean to upset anyone with my over generalisation.

    I'm sure you can understand what I mean, look back to the day before face coverings were made mandatory for supermarkets, you have people saying to print a letter saying you have asthma or anxiety, all that lying and effort going in to get around covering your mouth and nose.

    As an asthma sufferer, it's doubly abnoxious. Again I understand some people have worse asthma than me, in my mind that goes without saying, but it needs to be typed on here. My lungs have improved over the last decade a lot, it is uncomfortable to wear masks, but I can deal with it so I do it.
    To see people fake an illness is blood-boiling. More so when I know what it's really like living with them, mental or physical.


  • #5040
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,757 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    I know that

    I'm talking about this report

    Why are you ignoring it?

    https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-1914-dayepidemiologyreports/COVID-19_14_day_epidemiology_report_20200915_Website.pdf

    Read the date..........


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  • #5041
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,061 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    lucernarian wrote: »
    Cherrypicking how the numbers work, which only show the nature of each immediate mode of transmission. The virus doesn't arise out of the ground, it was snuffed out here with practically no spread taking place, and now it's re-emerged in the community. The reality is that all cases ultimately come from travel, or are you thinking it's been manufactured in Ireland all along?

    That's exactly what's happened. Tony knew it we all knew it. There's no way back Government are going with the slow immunity strategy, masks are all for show so they can pit people against each other.

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