How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

khalessi · 17-09-2020 07:16AM

The chan chan man wrote: »

The huge increase in numbers has coincided with the schools opening... Are they not willing to accept that as an issue?

Nope becuase if they accept that, they have to accept that they were wrong to go off plan and open the schools early. The first guide to reopening the country said in phase 5, the schools would be reopened on a phased basis. This government was new and wanted to make a splash and name for themselves, so they scrapped that, issued crap guidelines and reopened all the schools.

They argued that pubs should stay shut to give schools a chance, but lobby groups pput on the pressure and less than a week after schools opened it was announced pubs will reopen on 21st September.

THis government is a joke and the one who will suffer are those without a voice, first the elderly in nursing homes and now the kids in schools. It is very shortsighted of them

facehugger99 · 17-09-2020 07:20AM

The current increase in cases is being driven by people in their early 20s who are sick of being told their social lives are on indefinite hold over a virus that poses no risk to them.

It’s heartening to see.

Schools have nothing to do with it and the teachers need to make their peace with the fact they’re not going on another extended paid holiday and get on with their jobs.

Wanderer78 · 17-09-2020 07:24AM

facehugger99 wrote:

Schools have nothing to do with it and the teachers need to make their peace with the fact theyâ€™re not going on another extended paid holiday and get on with their jobs.

Sounds like you should have been a teacher

khalessi · 17-09-2020 07:27AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

The current increase in cases is being driven by people in their early 20s who are sick of being told their social lives are on indefinite hold over a virus that poses no risk to them.

It’s heartening to see.

Schools have nothing to do with it and the teachers need to make their peace with the fact they’re not going on another extended paid holiday and get on with their jobs.

Reported for constant trolling and unnecessary teacher bashing

^^Mod: You don't need to provide a running commentary on this.

facehugger99 · 17-09-2020 07:35AM

khalessi wrote: »

Reported for constant trolling and unnecessary teacher bashing

I’m always surprised how your attempts to backseat mod, shout down other posters and create an on thread echo-chamber are tolerated by the Mods TBH.

Stick me on ignore or stop responding to my posts would be my advice.

I’m entitled to my opinion.

Wanderer78 · 17-09-2020 07:35AM

facehugger99 wrote:

Iâ€™m entitled to my opinion.

Tis a fairly ignorant one tbf

17-09-2020 07:37AM

Purplewaters wrote: »

Pretty sure our numbers are worse than Melbourne who are still on a strict lockdown. .They have similar population to us too.

Melbourne is coming out of as massive spike, like where we were in May, so are in a different situation to us. Victoria state outside Melbourne is moving to lower restrictions and would reopen schools only for they are at the end of term and not due back until early October.

They have released a return to school roadmap and are ending remote learning on the 12th of October for Metropolitan Melbourne. They see the importance of returning to school as soon as possible
https://www.education.vic.gov.au/Documents/about/department/covid-19/return-to-school-term-4-plan.pdf

Blondini · 17-09-2020 07:46AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

The current increase in cases is being driven by people in their early 20s who are sick of being told their social lives are on indefinite hold over a virus that poses no risk to them.

It’s heartening to see.

Schools have nothing to do with it and the teachers need to make their peace with the fact they’re not going on another extended paid holiday and get on with their jobs.

Really, really sad that this is your 24-hours-a-day past-time.

Really sad.

Wanderer78 · 17-09-2020 07:49AM

Blondini wrote:

Really, really sad that this is your 24-hours-a-day past time.

Tbf, some do struggle to find meaningful pass times

downthemiddle · 17-09-2020 07:56AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

The current increase in cases is being driven by people in their early 20s who are sick of being told their social lives are on indefinite hold over a virus that poses no risk to them.

It’s heartening to see.

Schools have nothing to do with it and the teachers need to make their peace with the fact they’re not going on another extended paid holiday and get on with their jobs.

It’s heartening to see people spreading the virus. There is no logical response to someone who spouts such dangerous nonsense.

wirelessdude01 · 17-09-2020 07:58AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

It’s heartening to see.

Will it be heartening when they have to attend the funerals of their elder loved ones due to their actions?

Will Yam · 17-09-2020 08:13AM

khalessi wrote: »

Reported for constant trolling and unnecessary teacher bashing

What’s the difference between unnecessary teacher bashing, and just regular teacher bashing.

Blondini · 17-09-2020 08:23AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

The current increase in cases is being driven by people in their early 20s who are sick of being told their social lives are on indefinite hold over a virus that poses no risk to them.

It’s heartening to see.

Schools have nothing to do with it and the teachers need to make their peace with the fact they’re not going on another extended paid holiday and get on with their jobs.

facehugger99 wrote: »

I’m always surprised how your attempts to backseat mod, shout down other posters and create an on thread echo-chamber are tolerated by the Mods TBH.

Stick me on ignore or stop responding to my posts would be my advice.

I’m entitled to my opinion.

Will Yam wrote: »

What’s the difference between unnecessary teacher bashing, and just regular teacher bashing.

Must be dole day or something today is it?

All the wannabe teachers up early as this is where they get to attempt to take out their inadequacies and frustrations anonymously online against their betters.

Pathetic and pitiful.

irishblessing · 17-09-2020 08:25AM

PCros wrote: »

Out of curiosity has any other country gone down the road of blended learning?

Loads!! Including this one (Uni level) and I also heard of many others right down to Primary who were more adept at using technology straight away when schools first shut down. (definitely NOT my kids' school... :rolleyes:) It should be a cohesive national plan though, nothing in the works that I'm aware of which really annoys me.

I did a google on it the other day and probably more countries than not are doing some form of online/tv distance learning. I've said before, I have quite a few family/friends over in the US and the states they are in all have it. Two of my family members kids are all online until winter term, actually. Thats at primary level.

Will Yam · 17-09-2020 08:25AM

Blondini wrote: »

Must be dole day or something today is it?

All the wannabe teachers up early as this is where they get to attempt to take out their inadequacies and frustrations anonymously online against their betters.

Pathetic and pitiful.

I’d lay money your a nASTI rep!

byhookorbycrook · 17-09-2020 08:40AM

The DES have pinned everything on keeping schools open , as Mícheál Martin said “ at all cost .” They had since March to get a standard national online learning programme up and running but basically sat on their hands .

is_that_so · 17-09-2020 08:48AM

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

The DES have pinned everything on keeping schools open , as Mícheál Martin said “ at all cost .” They had since March to get a standard national online learning programme up and running but basically sat on their hands .

It was never a plan so they can hardly be criticised for something they were not going to do. Even with a plan it would take a whole lot of time to do something like that.

KerryConnor · 17-09-2020 09:04AM

A school on same campus as us has had a positive case in 6th class(its not even included in Facebook list yet) and the 6th class are back in after 1 day at home. Only the pod is considered close contacts. No test for the rest of the students or teacher.

Smacruairi · 17-09-2020 09:08AM

Colleague of mine, primary, positive in his class, which has 29kids.

Child to the left and to the right of the kid who are less than 1m away are being tested. The kid across from him? Nope? Behind him? Nope. The teacher or anyone else in the class? Nope, all in today.

If you want to ignore the spread to keep numbers down for Raind and the likes, this is exactly how you do it. It's now getting to a ridiculous stage where we are actively ignoring issues, while at the same point, the inspectorate said they are coming in to make sure measures are appropriate... But they're not getting any hsa training... Or have any viral background... Just teaching bodies with nothing to do because they didn't want to go back to the classroom to assist in thr crisis.

I'm enjoying being back in the class, but lads, this is now getting ridiculous.

irishblessing · 17-09-2020 09:12AM

is_that_so wrote: »

It was never a plan so they can hardly be criticised for something they were not going to do. Even with a plan it would take a whole lot of time to do something like that.

And therein lies the WHOLE problem.

They can and will be criticised for something they didn't do but should have.

Yeah, it would have taken quite a bit of time and planning. Obviously they decided it was too much work.

17-09-2020 09:13AM

The excellent https://twitter.com/schools_19 has announced this morning "Sorry all, due to the sheer volume of work involved, even with help, it's no longer sustainable to continue maintaining the lists, and an unfair burden on everyone involved. Will be deactivating this account shortly."

Gentleman Off The Pitch · 17-09-2020 09:24AM

Smacruairi wrote: »

Colleague of mine, primary, positive in his class, which has 29kids.

Child to the left and to the right of the kid who are less than 1m away are being tested. The kid across from him? Nope? Behind him? Nope. The teacher or anyone else in the class? Nope, all in today.

If you want to ignore the spread to keep numbers down for Raind and the likes, this is exactly how you do it. It's now getting to a ridiculous stage where we are actively ignoring issues, while at the same point, the inspectorate said they are coming in to make sure measures are appropriate... But they're not getting any hsa training... Or have any viral background... Just teaching bodies with nothing to do because they didn't want to go back to the classroom to assist in thr crisis.

I'm enjoying being back in the class, but lads, this is now getting ridiculous.

As soon as they implied weeks ago that there would be no automatic mass testing in a classroom when there was a positive case, it was clear what the objective was. Less testing in an environment where most of the infected will be asymptomatic, means less detected cases, more difficulty in tracing cases in the community back to the classroom and the more successful the school re-opening appears

s1ippy · 17-09-2020 09:31AM

So the bad news is that I was helping to confirm some of the schools submitted to the list on twitter, assisting in updating the map, but I've been contacted today saying that it's not getting updated anymore. The volume of cases and outbreaks to confirm now means we're completely overwhelmed and it's not possible for our team to keep on top of anymore.

Teachers, my heart genuinely goes out to you. Stay feckin safe. x

17-09-2020 09:42AM

s1ippy wrote: »

So the bad news is that I was helping to confirm some of the schools submitted to the list on twitter, assisting in updating the map, but I've been contacted today saying that it's not getting updated anymore. The volume of cases and outbreaks to confirm now means we're completely overwhelmed and it's not possible for our team to keep on top of anymore.

Teachers, my heart genuinely goes out to you. Stay feckin safe. x

... and students at all levels, siblings, parents, grandparents, school secretaries, bus drivers et al.

s1ippy · 17-09-2020 09:48AM

Balagan1 wrote: »

... and students at all levels, siblings, parents, grandparents, school secretaries, bus drivers et al.

There's a lot of teachers in this thread who have been fighting for better judgement around schools (and I was one not long ago so many of my very good friends are teachers) but yes, I do mean all of those groups. Thrown under the bus entirely and now it's driving back over them again.

Balagan1 wrote: »

The excellent https://twitter.com/schools_19 has announced this morning "Sorry all, due to the sheer volume of work involved, even with help, it's no longer sustainable to continue maintaining the lists, and an unfair burden on everyone involved. Will be deactivating this account shortly."

Sorry just spotted you'd announced it

Icyseanfitz · 17-09-2020 09:49AM

Me and my wife are out of school at the moment, she has had a very bad fever/chills for the last day and a half, so bad last night I was close to ringing an ambulance, temperature was between 38-39.2 all day yesterday, headache, limbs ache, nauseous and a slight cough. Got tested yesterday and we are waiting for 2-3 days for results.

We both work in post primary, and keep away from everywhere else at the moment. Only place she could have got this (if it is covid) is in her school, or I caught it in mine and gave it to her. Both in our early 30's and fit and healthy.

I'm so angry and scared right now at the complete lack of care or awareness to the danger that people are showing towards educators and children.

Lillyfae · 17-09-2020 09:50AM

Smacruairi wrote: »

It's now getting to a ridiculous stage where we are actively ignoring issues, while at the same point, the inspectorate said they are coming in to make sure measures are appropriate... But they're not getting any hsa training... Or have any viral background... Just teaching bodies with nothing to do because they didn't want to go back to the classroom to assist in thr crisis.

This was a point I made in this thread previously, or maybe the last and was lambasted for it, accused of teacher bashing. Staffing schools, the department, the government with mainly teachers regardless of tasks does the day to day management and governance absolutely no favours. And now they think that teachers with probably no more than first aid training can be public health assessors?? Get people in that actually know what they're doing and have no qualms about standing up to Boards of Management and the Department of Education and everyone would be in a much better position.

Boggles · 17-09-2020 10:01AM

Gentleman Off The Pitch wrote: »

As soon as they implied weeks ago that there would be no automatic mass testing in a classroom when there was a positive case, it was clear what the objective was. Less testing in an environment where most of the infected will be asymptomatic, means less detected cases, more difficulty in tracing cases in the community back to the classroom and the more successful the school re-opening appears

Remember, there is no limit of virus instance or growth in the country that will close the schools.

None.

Level 5 restrictions.

Schools, creches and higher and adult education

Open with protective measures in place

When you click on the "protective measures" link you are directed to a happy video telling us how the teachers will keep everyone safe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=80&v=92MLB_0nq8Q&feature=emb_logo

Presumably as long as the teacher isn't in ICU on ventilator.

So schools and people who work in schools are at the same level as meat factories.

The stark difference being the level of surveillance, testing and tracing that goes on in these factories is South Korean'esque.

If I were a teacher, I'd be getting a part time job packing rashers with Galtee.

17-09-2020 10:10AM

Smacruairi wrote: »

If you want to ignore the spread to keep numbers down for Raind and the likes, this is exactly how you do it.

Where have I said don't test or don't isolate classes?

What I have said is the evidence - the age distribution of confirmed cases since schools have restarted, has not changed.

What I believe is all classmates should be sent home and all within a pod should be tested. If any cases emerge within the pod the remainder of the class should be tested, and if cases emerge elsewhere in the that are not epidemiologically linked to another outbreak, the school should be closed as a precaution.

What I also believe is that we should not react emotionally on anecdotes but on facts. If the facts tell us schools are accelerating spread another conversation is needed. But the fact is this should be on an area by area basis. What is appropriate for Dublin should not drive what happens in Roscommon

Icyseanfitz · 17-09-2020 10:15AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Where have I said don't test or don't isolate classes?

What I have said is the evidence - the age distribution of confirmed cases since schools have restarted, has not changed.

What I believe is all classmates should be sent home and all within a pod should be tested. If any cases emerge within the pod the remainder of the class should be tested, and if cases emerge elsewhere in the that are not epidemiologically linked to another outbreak, the school should be closed as a precaution.

What I also believe is that we should not react emotionally on anecdotes but on facts. If the facts tell us schools are accelerating spread another conversation is needed. But the fact is this should be on an area by area basis. What is appropriate for Dublin should not drive what happens in Roscommon

Problem is we aren't getting told the facts, information is being hidden from the public as well as from the people working within schools

How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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