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Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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  • #4682
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    I had similar idiot respond last weekend when I said a lot of doctors wouldn't see patients, only a phone consultation.

    The response was similar to this type of thing, but alas, I was proven correct by Matt Cooper tonight who raised the issue.

    Now as you know suicides inquests take year's , so Im referring to my local and other local towns in rural Ireland which has had a number of suicides lately.

    there are 300-400 suicides every year. you have exactly zero proof there has been an increase this year due to covid and using such a tragic thing to push your agenda is pretty deplorable.


  • #4683
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    sabat wrote: »
    Just pathetic. Tens of thousands of people losing their livelihood in front of your face but you're fishing for reflected sympathy because one person on another continent not even related to you died.

    You might want to learn to read because nothing in my post reflects what you just said.
    Yep people are losing their livelihoods, I could tomorrow covid or not. I will however if that happens get another job eventually.
    What I won't get back is any family or friends, yeah they will eventually die we all do, but I would have thought that a pro lifer like yourself would support any measure that prolongs a person's life.


  • #4684
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Perhaps but suicide is an issue in this country for a long while so trying to politicise it now and making up a "rise" in it, just to support your own views is beyond disgraceful.

    and the reality is we don't know the full reason why someone commits suicide.


  • #4685
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    froog wrote: »
    there are 300-400 suicides every year. you have exactly zero proof there has been an increase this year due to covid and using such a tragic thing to push your agenda is pretty deplorable.

    Its no more deplorable than feigning concern about relatives abandoned in nursing homes surely?


  • #4686
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    spookwoman wrote: »
    and the reality is we don't know the full reason why someone commits suicide.

    Bit like Covid really and die with/from.


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  • #4687
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    I had similar idiot respond last weekend when I said a lot of doctors wouldn't see patients, only a phone consultation.

    The response was similar to this type of thing, but alas, I was proven correct by Matt Cooper tonight who raised the issue.

    Now as you know suicides inquests take year's , so Im referring to my local and other local towns in rural Ireland which has had a number of suicides lately.

    There is no evidence of an increased suicide rate,that is indisputable, because as you said inquests take a long time. So either provide evidence or stop acting as if you are somehow more in the know


  • #4688
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Its no more deplorable than feigning concern about relatives abandoned in nursing homes surely?

    no idea what you're on about. are you mistaking me for another poster?


  • #4689
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Very important not to spread misinformation Fintan, people are having tough enough time without you making up a reality where things are even ****ter.

    https://twitter.com/samaritans/status/1277629591557980166?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1277629591557980166%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thejournal.ie%2Fsuicide-ireland-august-claim-33-deaths-factcheck-5192698-Sep2020%2F

    https://twitter.com/i/events/1277782419999842304?lang=en

    Fake news spreading everywhere about increased suicide rates across Ireland. In particular a tweet claiming 33 people died by suicide in Ireland in the last week. Apart form the fact the information is not available as up to date as that, the same tweet has been reshared by people claiming that number of 33 suicide occurred specifically in Dublin, Galway, Northern Ireland and Belfast. Complete and utter rubbish in other words.
    https://factcheckni.org/articles/did-33-people-die-by-suicide-during-the-first-week-of-september-2020-in-northern-ireland/

    There is some evidence that suicide rates have actually decreased during COVID.
    https://www.derryjournal.com/education/prof-oneill-says-suicide-rates-fell-start-ofcovid-crisis-worried-over-furlough-end-2944706

    I need to get my head around this.

    Your telling me suicide rate cant be quantified yet, but , and this is the best part, you quoted an article saying its lower?

    Which is it?

    Fake news or not


  • #4690
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    For anyone who might happen to read the last flurry of posts and ain't feeling the best



    Aware – 1800 80 48 48 (depression, anxiety)
    Samaritans – 116 123 or email jo@samaritans.ie
    Pieta House – 1800 247 247 or email mary@pieta.ie (suicide, self-harm)
    Teen-Line Ireland – 1800 833 634 (for ages 13 to 18)
    Childline – 1800 66 66 66 (for under 18s)

    and here on boards mental health and covid

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058062109

    Be kind to each other we need it more now, than ever


  • #4691
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    wellwhynot wrote: »
    Somewhere like Sweden perhaps?

    Shrinking to comparable levels of their neighbors but with more deaths.


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  • #4692
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,082 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    A bit like deaths in nursing homes from respitory illnesses.

    Been happening for years

    Its on your facebook feed now so all of a sudden your very knowledgeable on the topic

    Not everyone relies on facebook conspiracies to get their "news" Fintan. Plenty of college students have had to be recovered from the Corrib in recent years. You can hear the search and rescue helicopters quite often and its rarely a rescue mission but recovery. Thats a basic fact no facebook required.


    But of course some "free thinker" facebook/youtuber knows better than Samaritans/actual news reports.


  • #4693
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,049 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    spookwoman wrote: »
    You were on about granny crying, was just saying that granny is not always elderly.

    Well Granny did cry, she is 75 and pissed off. We brought up my eldest for his birthday to meet granny, she couldn't even bring herself to hug him she was that terrified.

    Our realities are very different, accept it rather than throw your toys out of the pram screaming bollix and dismissing the trauma people are going through.


  • #4694
    User1998
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,007 ✭✭✭User1998


    delly wrote: »
    I'm a parent of an at risk child and we haven't had a single person enter our house since March, every food shop is delivered each week and we have travelled to see some very close family members in outdoor locations on a very few occasions. All meals are now home cooked, any time we do go out out we have masks on and maintain strict distance from anybody who comes near us.

    All in all, we're living a very similar life to yourself, it's just what needs to be done. Of all the different circles of people I know, I don't think a single one is living anything similar in terms of keeping a low number of close contacts. While I may be the extreme of caution, the majority are on the total other end of the spectrum, coffee out with friends, dinners out, multiple shopping trips, hair and beauty treatments.

    At the end of the day, the CMO and government can talk about this restriction here and that level of lockdown there, but it comes down to personal choice. People have to take responsibility for how they live their lives.

    Although I do have sympathy for you, I don’t think healthy individuals should have to put their lives on hold for complete strangers like you. As you say its down to personal choice and I think if healthy individuals want to continue meeting with friends then they should continue doing so. I certainly won’t let a government tell me how many of my friends I can see at one time, and others shouldn’t either. You have a vulnerable family member and your being very responsible and other vulnerable members of society should follow suit and let the rest of us get on with our lives.


  • #4695
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    I need to get my head around this.

    Your telling me suicide rate cant be quantified yet, but , and this is the best part, you quoted an article saying its lower?

    Which is it?

    Fake news or not

    So nothing to back up your claim about a rise in suicide


  • #4696
    NegativeCreep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭NegativeCreep


    Why is it so ridiculous to think that suicides might have increased in a time when people lives have been turned upside down and we’ve all been isolated from one another?
    This thread is so divided that any point made by any side is shot down by the other out of spite. It’s so weird. I’m not saying shivered have or haven’t increased but the blanket “absolutely not, you’ve no proof” reaction is just strange.

    Real life is not like the bickering you see here. Most people aren’t even talking about it as much anymore. People don’t care.
    Bring on the restrictions. They won’t be listened to by the vast majority. Boards, Facebook and the miserable media need to be kept away from. Talk to real people and this fades into the background.


  • #4697
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    I need to get my head around this.

    Your telling me suicide rate cant be quantified yet, but , and this is the best part, you quoted an article saying its lower?

    Which is it?

    Fake news or not

    I said some evidence, as in groups such as samaritans claiming they have not observed any noticeable rise. Obviously it will not be known for certain for some time. Regardless, it is stronger evidence than there is of an increase, which is zero evidence.


  • #4698
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    NegativeCreep wrote: »
    Why is it so ridiculous to think that suicides might have increased in a time when people lives have been turned upside down and we’ve all been isolated from one another?
    This thread is so divided that any point made by any side is shot down by the other out of spite. It’s so weird. I’m not saying shivered have or haven’t increased but the blanket “absolutely not, you’ve no proof” reaction is just strange.

    Real life is not like the bickering you see here. Most people aren’t even talking about it as much anymore. People don’t care.
    Bring on the restrictions. They won’t be listened to by the vast majority. Boards, Facebook and the miserable media need to be kept away from. Talk to real people and this fades into the background.

    It's not ridiculous at all, there's just no evidence of it. Why would you argue about a cause of which there is no evidence is true, that would be absurd. Samaritans have said there's no evidence of an increase, does that not count for more than anecdotes on boards?


  • #4699
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    It's not ridiculous at all, there's just no evidence of it. Why would you argue about a cause of which there is no evidence is true, that would be absurd.

    Do you live in rural Ireland?


  • #4700
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Were you talking to each one of the 60,000 individually? Or did they all give you a text to let you know?

    Wife’s friend is heading to Dublin this weekend to see her parents because she knows if she doesn’t they will come down to visit her within the next couple of weeks, and she doesn’t want the neighbours to see the D Reg in the drive or to hear them talking around the village.


  • #4701
    User1998
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,007 ✭✭✭User1998


    More people have died of suicide in the past two months than people have with corona virus yet nothing is being done about it


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  • #4702
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Its no more deplorable than feigning concern about relatives abandoned in nursing homes surely?

    Hold on a minute. Are you now seriously trying to claim that people in nursing homes have all been "abandoned" by relatives who in most cases don`t have the resources or the capability to properly care for them themselves? If you are then then even by your already low standard that is a deplorable thing to claim.


  • #4703
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    User1998 wrote: »
    More people have died of suicide in the past two months than people have with corona virus yet nothing is being done about it

    Careful, they don't like that round here.

    Suicide isnt contagious I suppose


  • #4704
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,751 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Latest hospital update is out

    73 in hospital, increase of 8.
    As far as I can see, increase of 6 in the Mater alone.
    14 in ICU and 6 ventilated


  • #4705
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,049 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    NegativeCreep wrote: »
    This thread is so divided that any point made by any side is shot down by the other out of spite. It’s so weird. I’m not saying shivered have or haven’t increased but the blanket “absolutely not, you’ve no proof” reaction is just strange.

    It's so bad i'm thinking of joining the Aerophobes just to so they'll start questioning themselves...it would kill them to agree with me.


  • #4706
    stockshares
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,760 ✭✭✭stockshares


    Schedule for meetings tomorrow and Friday

    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1306342239979929605?s=19


  • #4707
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    User1998 wrote: »
    More people have died of suicide in the past two months than people have with corona virus yet nothing is being done about it

    Going to have to ask again and hopefully you might be the person who actually answers rather than avoid the question, where did you get this information from?


  • #4708
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    User1998 wrote: »
    More people have died of suicide in the past two months than people have with corona virus yet nothing is being done about it

    Suicide has been a ****ing massive issue for years and years and **** all has been done about it. Don't think rates ever recovered massively since 2008.


  • #4709
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,049 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Suicide isnt contagious I suppose

    It is.


  • #4710
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    stockshares wrote: »
    Schedule for meetings tomorrow and Friday

    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1306342239979929605?s=19

    Dublin will probably be at level 3 so my Friday night


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  • #4711
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    Benimar wrote: »
    .. the Governments Arse is in full flow I see.

    That just ridiculous!

    Fyp


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