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Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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  • #4562
    Benimar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭Benimar


    stockshares wrote: »
    New decision making structure. Un ****ing believable

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1306323747507507202?s=19

    Operation Cover the Governments Arse is in full flow I see.

    That just ridiculous!


  • #4563
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,130 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    3 deaths and 254 cases

    136 are in Dublin, 20 in Donegal, 13 in Louth, 12 in Wicklow, 9 in Waterford, 7 in Carlow, 7 in Cork, 6 in Galway, 5 in Kerry, 5 in Wexford and the remaining 28 cases are located in Clare, Kildare, Kilkenny, Laois, Leitrim, Limerick, Longford, Mayo, Monaghan, Offaly, Roscommon and Westmeath

    24 community transmission

    What is happening in Cork and Kerry, increasing, is it schools?

    People becoming complacent which is understandable.

    Same in most countries.

    Cases always gonna go up after reopening the economy.


  • #4564
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,173 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Communion and confirmation parties were a bad idea.

    Letting all kids mix then schools starting back.at the same time.

    A few confirmations near me have now been cancelled until next year
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #4565
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,130 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Agree. It is the elephant in the room that is NEVER mentioned in dispatches as a possible vector. Wonder why that is, when it is obvious to many given the timing of the spike...reopening of schools + 14 days. F

    Well rules for gatherings were eased.

    Communions, confirmations.


  • #4566
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    I don't think people realise by having the current restrictions in place and all the mask wearing we are probably saving 1000s of lives in this country in the 75+ age bracket from other diseases. The excess deaths figures prove this, its common sense.


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  • #4567
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    New Era wrote: »
    If you read that particular comment (I won't name the poster who posted it so not to give him or her any credit, when clearly they don't deserve any) and fair dues to Shinzon who reported it, then you know it was a grave and insensitive to portray and dismiss older people as if "ah well they are old and they are probably better off gone from this world"

    I have to say that as a son who saw my mother what she had to go through in her final stages of motor neurone, particularly since the start of covid, where she fought and fought getting a covid test at home, as she was too unwell to go to her nearby covid testing centre, while having to deal with none of her family and friends going to see her as she was cocooning. And do you know what, she still would have preferred to spend more time with her grandchildren that she cherished and loved, in spite of her pain that she was going through, rather than passing on.

    Data deals with numbers and all that. But no figures of numbers, percentages etc can ever explain what it means when you face the loss of a mother, father, son and daughter, close relative, a friend and so on. Death brings such upsetting and lonely memories. Do you honestly think that those people who have died from covid and their grieving families care about data and about being "another number" ?

    I think that there is a reality detachment here between those that still dismiss this virus with that far right protest last weekend in Dublin a prime example, and those that well know what a dangerous and contagious disease covid 19 is and what damage it has inflicted on families all throughout Ireland and the world.

    I sincerely hope that with all the warning signs are there and anyone watching the dept of health press briefing tonight, would be left in no doubt of what could happen in the coming days and weeks if people continue to dismiss and not take the drastic action that is required to contain covid. So as you imagine assetbacked I don't agree that I'm ott. I like yourself just want the best for the country and the paramount of protecting public health is top of the list.

    "But no figures of numbers, percentages etc can ever explain what it means when you face the loss of a mother, father, son and daughter, close relative, a friend and so on. Death brings such upsetting and lonely memories. Do you honestly think that those people who have died from covid and their grieving families care about data and about being "another number" ? "

    This is emotive and you could use this psychological manipulation with respect to other illnesses like the flu or the MRSA superbug. Why do you dismiss the numbers other than for emotionally invested reasons? The whole response is based on case numbers and severe restrictions on social and economic life are being taken based on advice drafted in light of those numbers. Certain professions exist for payment as they can just look at numbers without a typical emotional reaction which some people cannot accept in the same way some people struggle to accept that death is a part of life.

    The age profile of those that died with covid is in line with the average life expectancy in Ireland. Interpreting that, it means that the biggest risk factor to covid is simply being of an age where most people depart from this world.


  • #4568
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,040 ✭✭✭Polar101


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    0 restrictions in Belarus, no lockdowns, Taiwan isn't in europe.
    Considering they didn't scare the bejasus out of their citizens they deserve a medal.

    No real restrictions in Belarus, but I do wonder if their numbers are any more reliable than their election results?

    The presidential advice was to drive tractors and work in the fields, maybe that's something Ireland should introduce as well?


  • #4569
    majcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    Boggles wrote: »
    Reid in his vagueness said there was. The scenario you are describing would be residential clusters.

    I'm not actually making this up, the HSE in their report said there has bee 13 outbreaks in schools.

    https://twitter.com/deegilhawley/status/1306276866190454785?s=21

    So again we are being told zero, 2ish or 13 officially.

    What gives, which is it?
    Trying to track down a definite answer for you but you’re right, it is not clear. The table posted/copied from Twitter is from HPSC - week 37 report up to September 12th with a caveat that data is provisional. This is the first week that ‘school’ was included separately as a setting for an outbreak/cluster so no other figures available for comparison.

    It’s from computerized infections disease reporting (CIDR). They are defining outbreak/cluster as two or more cases. Seem to be using the terms outbreak and cluster interchangeably.

    Any school with two or more cases would therefore be labeled as having an outbreak/cluster but that doesn’t tell us where transmission occurred. Residential transmission would still end being counted as an outbreak/cluster under the school heading if two (or more) parties from one household were in the same school and both tested positive.


  • #4570
    [Deleted User]
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Agree. It is the elephant in the room that is NEVER mentioned in dispatches as a possible vector. Wonder why that is, when it is obvious to many given the timing of the spike...reopening of schools + 14 days. F

    I heard Taoiseach/one of the ministers Say that no matter what the situation is that the schools will remain open, so according to that virtually all adult interactions would gave to cease.


  • #4571
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


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  • #4572
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    What was the point of the 2.5 rigmarole if they intended to go to level 3 a few days later?


  • #4573
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    hmmm wrote: »
    What was the point of the 2.5 rigmarole if they intended to go to level 3 a few days later?

    The civil servant committee had to consider whether to round up or down before it went to the cabinet committee who will look at it tomorrow before the government announce their decision.

    What I don't have an interest in understanding is what the differences between the 5 stages are, especially when level 1 is still plenty of restrictions so what is the end goal here? Why not just have 3 that are easy to follow?


  • #4574
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,448 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    There is nothing to stop any business thats closed opening in the morning
    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1306332842432114688?s=19


  • #4575
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,141 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    stockshares wrote: »
    New decision making structure. Un ****ing believable

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1306323747507507202?s=19

    Will that mean a stop to MM saying NPHET this, NPHET that, ask NPHET?


  • #4576
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,141 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1306332842432114688?s=19

    Yay - open the pubs now

    Bunch of idiots in charge


  • #4577
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    niallo27 wrote: »
    I don't think people realise by having the current restrictions in place and all the mask wearing we are probably saving 1000s of lives in this country in the 75+ age bracket from other diseases. The excess deaths figures prove this, its common sense.

    We should maintain it after a successful vaccine so?


  • #4578
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,246 ✭✭✭MOR316


    So basically, from what I understand, if NPHET recommend putting Dublin into Level 3, it will take a day or so for Cabinet to agree to it and it wouldn't come into affect until 12am Saturday morning?

    Or, am I missing something?


  • #4579
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Yay - open the pubs now

    Bunch of idiots in charge

    Yay indeed


  • #4580
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,677 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    MOR316 wrote: »
    So basically, from what I understand, if NPHET recommend putting Dublin into Level 3, it will take a day or so for Cabinet to agree to it and it wouldn't come into affect until 12am Saturday morning?

    Or, am I missing something?

    Looking like NPHET might make the recommendation tomorrow with a decision on Friday.

    However it's been suggested in future it could take five days for a decision to be made. Which seems bizarre considering the time sensitive nature of the needed response to the pandemic as it unfolds.

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1306323747507507202


  • #4581
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,448 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    MOR316 wrote: »
    So basically, from what I understand, if NPHET recommend putting Dublin into Level 3, it will take a day or so for Cabinet to agree to it and it wouldn't come into affect until 12am Saturday morning?

    Or, am I missing something?

    At that rate it probably wouldn't even come in until Monday.

    Either way any restrictions on travel are pretty frivolous, too much movement for checkpoints etc


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  • #4582
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,175 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    Looking like NPHET might make the recommendation tomorrow with a decision on Friday.

    However it's been suggested in future it could take five days for a decision to be made. Which seems bizarre considering the time sensitive nature of the needed response to the pandemic as it unfolds.

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1306323747507507202

    That's ridiculous


  • #4583
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,049 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    At that rate it probably wouldn't even come in until Monday.

    Either way any restrictions on travel are pretty frivolous, too much movement for checkpoints etc

    There's going to be an Exodus from dublin this weekend, there's 60,000 odd dubs making a dash to holiday homes...


  • #4584
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,175 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Eod100 wrote: »
    That's ridiculous

    I know Martin was on about a knejerk reaction. That is a glacial response


  • #4585
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    niallo27 wrote: »
    I don't think people realise by having the current restrictions in place and all the mask wearing we are probably saving 1000s of lives in this country in the 75+ age bracket from other diseases. The excess deaths figures prove this, its common sense.

    Right. So if this is borne out it`s good news all around regarding Covid and also the less deadly infectious diseases.


  • #4586
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,069 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    I see that our minister for health has said at a FF parliamentary party meeting that it’s the opposition and media that are confusing the message. That’s a bad sign if true to blame the media. The media are just turning on the camera and covering your words live. The media can’t be held responsible if the government rabbit on and talk about trampolines amongst other things.


  • #4587
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    There's going to be an Exodus from dublin this weekend, there's 60,000 odd dubs making a dash to holiday homes...

    This is what they are in a panic to try and calculate, which is the lesser of the potential evils. The scenarios should all have been gone through with expert sociologists during the summer, they should be in a better position to make de idioms for the various situations.


  • #4588
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Deleted User wrote: »
    We should maintain it after a successful vaccine so?

    Its the balance we need, do we stop the majority from having a normal life to save a few, we didn't do it before why would we now.


  • #4589
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    John O.Groats wrote: »
    Right. So if this is borne out it`s good news all around regarding Covid and also the less deadly infectious diseases.

    Well except the few hundred thousand unemployed and economys ruined then yes I suppose so.


  • #4590
    DangerScouse
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 466 ✭✭DangerScouse


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Its the balance we need, do we stop the majority from having a normal life to save a few, we didn't do it before why would we now.

    Just because they are old or have underlying health issues doesn't mean they aren't worth saving.


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  • #4591
    CiarraiManc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 204 ✭✭CiarraiManc


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Well except the few hundred thousand unemployed and economys ruined then yes I suppose so.

    the economy and those jobs can come back someones granny can't


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