How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

irishblessing · 16-09-2020 12:47PM

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

We are currently on our 10th day out of school. We have 3 kids and all 3 were sent for tests (all negative results) thankfully.
Child 3 temp, runny nose and sore throat passed it onto child 1 temp, cough and runny nose and then child 2 got sick- cough, sore throat and ear
Child 1 still has a temperature 10days on.
GP agreed to see them Monday and prescribed antibiotics and steroids as 2 now have chest infections.
Our GP when assessing them wore full ppe gear despite their negative tests which I found a bit unnerving as I had been to see him twice recently and the only ppe worn by him was a mask.
Made me question (and a bit paranoid) was there still a possibility despite their 3 negative tests that they could have it?!
I should have asked him why he was wearing all the ppe but as any parent knows it’s some job bringing 3 kids at the same time to a dr

I read that the health chiefs estimated 1 in 5 covid tests are a false negative. That probably has something to do with it...

JDD · 16-09-2020 12:54PM

irishblessing wrote: »

I read that the health chiefs estimated 1 in 5 covid tests are a false negative. That probably has something to do with it...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't false negatives mostly from tests of close contacts? In that there's a higher than normal chance they've caught it, but they're not shedding enough virus yet for it to be shown up on the tests. Which is why they get a second test a week later.

Whereas community infection has less false negatives, as you are only being tested because you are symptomatic and should be shedding the virus with gusto at that stage?

Maybe the doctor is just super cautious with kids and didn't want to infect them in case he was infected?

Boggles · 16-09-2020 12:56PM

GPs only have a finite about of PPE, he is probably wearing it for the day.

Far more virus out there now, so he is being more cautious.

gifted · 16-09-2020 12:56PM

Lillyfae wrote: »

Why on earth would they stop them taking them outside??

It was a nudist class......

I'll get my hat.....
Lol lol

hello2020 · 16-09-2020 01:07PM

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

We are currently on our 10th day out of school. We have 3 kids and all 3 were sent for tests (all negative results) thankfully.
Child 3 temp, runny nose and sore throat passed it onto child 1 temp, cough and runny nose and then child 2 got sick- cough, sore throat and ear
Child 1 still has a temperature 10days on.
GP agreed to see them Monday and prescribed antibiotics and steroids as 2 now have chest infections.
Our GP when assessing them wore full ppe gear despite their negative tests which I found a bit unnerving as I had been to see him twice recently and the only ppe worn by him was a mask.
Made me question (and a bit paranoid) was there still a possibility despite their 3 negative tests that they could have it?!
I should have asked him why he was wearing all the ppe but as any parent knows it’s some job bringing 3 kids at the same time to a dr

GP putting on full ppe is confusing .. if he is unsure then he should recommend second test..

JimmyVik · 16-09-2020 01:09PM

hello2020 wrote: »

what to do with a kid who is having runny nose or cough but no temp for a day or two? do we send them to school when their cough/runny nose is gone?

Our doc said send them to school. Even with the runny nose.

JimmyVik · 16-09-2020 01:15PM

irishblessing wrote: »

I read that the health chiefs estimated 1 in 5 covid tests are a false negative. That probably has something to do with it...

My doc said its as high as 1 in 4

Icantthinkof1 · 16-09-2020 01:27PM

JimmyVik wrote: »

My doc said its as high as 1 in 4

Christ almighty! So 1 in 4/ 5 get a negative result but they are actually positive?!
What causes the false positives, is it poor testing, technique?
All 3 of our children would hardly have all got false negatives as they were all tested on different days by different people due to the varying times from the onset of symptoms

Lillyfae · 16-09-2020 01:35PM

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

Christ almighty! So 1 in 4/ 5 get a negative result but they are actually positive?!

I'd take it with a pinch of salt because 2 people have reported their GPs telling them different numbers. It could be an average of the two, but it's more likely that both GPs are just reporting something without actually knowing what the correct number is.

the corpo · 16-09-2020 01:35PM

hello2020 wrote: »

thanks..this is not easy when there r 3-4 kids in house and they haves simple runny nose or cough one after the other, just after sending them to school for a week

While the GP said we had to all to restrict our movements, so my son couldn't go to school either, he did say he thinks it's a rule the gov will have to change.
From the rate of stay home orders he's giving out, as he's required to, he didn't think there'll be a child in school this time next week!

Lillyfae · 16-09-2020 01:50PM

gifted wrote: »

It was a nudist class......

I'll get my hat.....
Lol lol

Leave your hat on! :pac:

combat14 · 16-09-2020 01:57PM

sounds like dublin is gone into unofficial lock down in all but name ..

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0916/1165544-covid-summit/

JimmyVik · 16-09-2020 02:48PM

Lillyfae wrote: »

I'd take it with a pinch of salt because 2 people have reported their GPs telling them different numbers. It could be an average of the two, but it's more likely that both GPs are just reporting something without actually knowing what the correct number is.

I googled it.
First result I got.
Couldnt be bothered reading through the rest

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/tests-may-miss-more-than-1-in-5-covid-19-cases

16-09-2020 02:53PM

JimmyVik wrote: »

I googled it.
First result I got.
Couldnt be bothered reading through the rest

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/tests-may-miss-more-than-1-in-5-covid-19-cases

Its not a problem with the test its a problem with the sample. If there is insufficient replication of the virus in the subject, there is nothing to detect, and the test worked fine. If the subject subsequently gets sick, its because the virus has now replicated to a level where they are symptomatic. Its why you restrict movements for 14 days if you are a close contact, even when you test negative.

JimmyVik · 16-09-2020 02:59PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Its not a problem with the test its a problem with the sample. If there is insufficient replication of the virus in the subject, there is nothing to detect, and the test worked fine. If the subject subsequently gets sick, its because the virus has now replicated to a level where they are symptomatic. Its why you restrict movements for 14 days if you are a close contact, even when you test negative.

Person goes to get tested. Gets told its negative, but they have the virus. Or is that not a problem?

Take for example - teacher last week got tested. Test was negative. Back to work next day.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 16-09-2020 03:09PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Was there a reason given for this stance?

Nope

16-09-2020 03:14PM

JimmyVik wrote: »

Person goes to get tested. Gets told its negative, but they have the virus. Or is that not a problem?

Take for example - teacher last week got tested. Test was negative. Back to work next day.

If the teacher went for a test because they were symptomatic, and it was negative, its something else.

If they went for a test because they were a close contact, they have to stay home for 14 days, even with a negative test

Blondini · 16-09-2020 03:16PM

khalessi wrote: »

Just updatig this from the one I put up the other day https://twitter.com/ConorRiordan2/status/1305921829308116992

There is fundamentally, absolutely, unconditionally, no way, nada, zilch, zero, null, nil chance that this increase has anything whatsoever to do with schools.

ginoginelli · 16-09-2020 03:58PM

hello2020 wrote: »

GP putting on full ppe is confusing .. if he is unsure then he should recommend second test..

We are in the middle of a pandemic. Gp's are risking exposing themselves to covid daily. What's confusing about them wanting to protect themselves?

16-09-2020 03:59PM

Comparing epidemiological reports from the 02/09 to that from 15/09, there has been no shift in the Median or Mean age of those testing positive has not shifted in two weeks.

In the 14 days to 02/09 the Median was 31 and mean 35.
In the 14 days to 15/09, the Median was 33 and the mean 36.

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-1914-dayepidemiologyreports/

This suggests as yet, or as of the 8th anyway due to mean incubation of the virus, the school return has not impacted the epidemiology of the outbreak to any great degree. The current school situation is as likely a consequence of the national picture, rather than a driver of it.

In the absence of more detailed data, indicators such as this are all we can work off.

What you would expect to see is a drop in the median due to classroom clusters, followed by a rise as these cluster seed back to their families

JDD · 16-09-2020 04:02PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Comparing epidemiological reports from the 02/09 to that from 15/09, there has been no shift in the Median or Mean age of those testing positive has not shifted in two weeks.

In the 14 days to 02/09 the Median was 31 and mean 35.
In the 14 days to 15/09, the Median was 33 and the mean 36.

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-1914-dayepidemiologyreports/

This suggests as yet, or as of the 8th anyway due to mean incubation of the virus, the school return has not impacted the epidemiology of the outbreak to any great degree. The current school situation is as likely a consequence of the national picture, rather than a driver of it.

In the absence of more detailed data, indicators such as this are all we can work off.

What you would expect to see is a drop in the median due to classroom clusters, followed by a rise as these cluster seed back to their families

What is even more relieving about this, is that the average/median age of infection is not going upwards. Which hopefully will mean that ICU admissions and deaths will remain at about 1% of infections.

irishblessing · 16-09-2020 04:22PM

JDD wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't false negatives mostly from tests of close contacts? In that there's a higher than normal chance they've caught it, but they're not shedding enough virus yet for it to be shown up on the tests. Which is why they get a second test a week later.

Whereas community infection has less false negatives, as you are only being tested because you are symptomatic and should be shedding the virus with gusto at that stage?

Maybe the doctor is just super cautious with kids and didn't want to infect them in case he was infected?

Hmm, I can't correct you, but I haven't read before that its that specific. Have you got a link about it?

irishblessing · 16-09-2020 04:24PM

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

Christ almighty! So 1 in 4/ 5 get a negative result but they are actually positive?!
What causes the false positives, is it poor testing, technique?
All 3 of our children would hardly have all got false negatives as they were all tested on different days by different people due to the varying times from the onset of symptoms

I can't say for sure but what I've read before is that it's due to timing, fail rate of the test itself, and faulty swabbing.

Will Yam · 16-09-2020 04:59PM

PowerToWait wrote: »

I bet there won’t be a more idiotic post on Boards this week.

You are obviously unfamiliar with irony...........

lulublue22 · 16-09-2020 05:01PM

Will Yam wrote: »

You are obviously unfamiliar with irony...........

or perhaps it doesn’t read as ironic ........

hello2020 · 16-09-2020 05:03PM

https://twitter.com/ConorRiordan2/status/1305921829308116992

Blondini wrote: »

There is fundamentally, absolutely, unconditionally, no way, nada, zilch, zero, null, nil chance that this increase has anything whatsoever to do with schools.

these graphs on twitter, if correct are quite shocking !

Blondini · 16-09-2020 05:09PM

hello2020 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ConorRiordan2/status/1305921829308116992

these graphs on twitter, if correct are quite shocking !

Someone will be along soon to tell you they're wrong, and probably drop a few big words in to try to sound clever.

khalessi · 16-09-2020 07:21PM

List to be updated but 113 schools ROI 43 NI

https://twitter.com/schools_19/status/1306254564774084608

khalessi · 16-09-2020 07:58PM

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1306272577707536385

Blondini · 16-09-2020 08:05PM

khalessi wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1306272577707536385

13 "outbreaks" in schools, not just single cases.

And before anyone does a crappy incorrect calculation saying it's only blah blah percent, dont bother.

How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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