How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

PhoenixParker · 16-09-2020 10:08AM

Lillyfae wrote: »

Since the childcare facilities opened earlier, it's worth looking at what the differences are. I know I'm going to be laughed at but numbers is only one. Seeing as most children in these facilities are very young, I would imagine there is no social distancing whatsoever possible. Practices in schools need to be looked at very closely.

What I'd love to know is primary vs secondary. My guess is clusters are mostly in secondary. Also whether a staff member or a kid was the index case and whether out of school transmission has been entirely ruled out.

(The UTAH 3 daycares study everyone is having conniptions about had staff members as the first case every time and zero discussion about how pick up & drop off arrangements etc worked)

Generally they'll give more detailed breakdowns as the numbers increase. Right now they won't because they don't want to be too identifying.

average_runner · 16-09-2020 10:08AM

SusanC10 wrote: »

13 Clusters in Schools
Does it give the location (County) of the 13 Clusters ?

A cluster counts as at least two cases in a school, not necessarily in the same class.

Has another kid in the same pod get the virus off another kid yet?

irishblessing · 16-09-2020 10:09AM

Deleted User wrote: »

That's what I said - the weekly report gives more detail and I provided a link to it

You said "don't let it stand in the way of a good rant" to me when my comment was based off a posted report, and then you posted a different one.

You knew that but wanted to be rude anyway.

16-09-2020 10:10AM

Boggles wrote: »

So that would lead me to believe there is a separate surveillance "unit" for schools.

That at least is good news.

I wouldn't actually think so other than public health getting involved at an early stage

SusanC10 · 16-09-2020 10:14AM

average_runner wrote: »

A cluster counts as at least two cases in a school, not necessarily in the same class.

Has another kid in the same pod get the virus off another kid yet?

Do the 2 or more cases need to be linked to each other or can they be 2 separate cases ? Like say 1 each in 2 separate classes in the same school, not siblings

16-09-2020 10:16AM

irishblessing wrote: »

You said "don't let it stand in the way of a good rant" to me when my comment was based off a posted report, and then you posted a different one.

You knew that but wanted to be rude anyway.

There was a sequence of posts on a number of threads where rants had been vented without any effort by the posters to make themselves aware of the facts, and I suppose even though your comment was the least "ranty", it was the one that prompted me to comment last. I apologise for my language. I just like people to be aware of the facts, prior to leaping to conclusions that there is a conspiracy to hide data. We have seen this morning that as soon as the HSPC report was due, it was published, and documented school and childcare clusters

Boggles · 16-09-2020 10:19AM

Lillyfae wrote: »

Since the childcare facilities opened earlier, it's worth looking at what the differences are.

Testing I imagine.

We were stuck on 1 cluster in creches for months.

We actually start testing children recently and that jumps 300% to 4 in a week.

hello2020 · 16-09-2020 10:20AM

what to do with a kid who is having runny nose or cough but no temp for a day or two? do we send them to school when their cough/runny nose is gone?

irishblessing · 16-09-2020 10:20AM

Deleted User wrote: »

There was a sequence of posts on a number of threads where rants had been vented without any effort by the posters to make themselves aware of the facts, and I suppose even though your comment was the least "ranty", it was the one that prompted me to comment last. I apologise for my language. I just like people to be aware of the facts, prior to leaping to conclusions that there is a conspiracy to hide data. We have seen this morning that as soon as the HSPC report was due, it was published, and documented school and childcare clusters

Thanks for that, and for the new link! I like to be aware of the facts too.

16-09-2020 10:26AM

hello2020 wrote: »

what to do with a kid who is having runny nose or cough but no temp for a day or two? do we send them to school when their cough/runny nose is gone?

Would likely be sent for test if you contact GP. If it was just a runny nose the guidance is they can go to school

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/if-your-child-has-symptoms.html

Icyseanfitz · 16-09-2020 10:27AM

hello2020 wrote: »

what to do with a kid who is having runny nose or cough but no temp for a day or two? do we send them to school when their cough/runny nose is gone?

If they have a cough they must be tested

JDD · 16-09-2020 10:29AM

hello2020 wrote: »

what to do with a kid who is having runny nose or cough but no temp for a day or two? do we send them to school when their cough/runny nose is gone?

Presuming your doctor has said there's no need for a covid test - since it is a new cough - yes, you can send them in once their symptoms are gone. I'd give your GP a quick call though. I'm fairly sure the criteria for under-10's is a new cough plus another covid symptom before they recommend a test but it's probably the right thing to do to call them anyway.

PhoenixParker · 16-09-2020 10:34AM

Boggles wrote: »

Testing I imagine.

We were stuck on 1 cluster in creches for months.

We actually start testing children recently and that jumps 300% to 4 in a week.

The protocol for testing in creches has not changed.

JDD · 16-09-2020 10:38AM

So is their four clusters in creche's now?

I presume because creche's are generally smaller - 40/50 kids in the big ones - there is not going to be anything near the same amount of children testing positive as there would be in a local primary school.

And does a cluster in a school mean two children have tested positive - but caught it outside the school - or a second child has caught it off the first child?

16-09-2020 10:41AM

JDD wrote: »

So is their four clusters in creche's now?

I presume because creche's are generally smaller - 40/50 kids in the big ones - there is not going to be anything near the same amount of children testing positive as there would be in a local primary school.

And does a cluster in a school mean two children have tested positive - but caught it outside the school - or a second child has caught it off the first child?

This is unclear, but I think it may be 2 or more epidemiologically linked cases in a specific environment. So could be 2 siblings who go to the same school or two classmates, one who caught it off the other

the corpo · 16-09-2020 10:43AM

hello2020 wrote: »

what to do with a kid who is having runny nose or cough but no temp for a day or two? do we send them to school when their cough/runny nose is gone?

We rang GP, child had cough and runny nose, no temperature, still told to stay home and referred for test.

Pretty much just a runny nose on it's own is allowable to send in, but once it's combined with any other symptom, it's time to be cautious.

Boggles · 16-09-2020 10:43AM

PhoenixParker wrote: »

The protocol for testing in creches has not changed.

Children don't live in creches.

The protocol for testing children has very much changed, unless there has been an explosion in infection with children and they are now driving the virus.

16-09-2020 10:43AM

PhoenixParker wrote: »

The protocol for testing in creches has not changed.

The doctors guidance for kids changed on the 7th I believe. Before they were allowed to use their judgement on a slight cough, with no fever etc. Now they are directed to test

khalessi · 16-09-2020 10:51AM

WHen speaking to gp last week, they said if there is a new cough they have to test.

khalessi · 16-09-2020 10:54AM

Just updatig this from the one I put up the other day https://twitter.com/ConorRiordan2/status/1305921829308116992

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 16-09-2020 11:06AM

Colleague took a handful of classes outside to teach them, as it was so humid in class, and was told not to do that again by management

JDD · 16-09-2020 11:09AM

Deleted User wrote: »

The doctors guidance for kids changes on the 7th I believe. Before they were allowed to use their judgement on a slight cough, with no fever etc. Now they are directed to test

Oh interesting. I rang my GP on the 7th, and my child wasn't sent for a test even though she had a slight cough.

I guess it would be different now if I had called.

No wonder the testing centres are out the door with kids lining up to be tested. Not that I'm saying that isn't the right thing to do, but thousands upon thousands of children catch coughs this time of year that are not covid-related.

As long as we have the testing capacity and budget, and we're not neglecting other areas (like nursing homes), I guess it's the right thing to do.

hello2020 · 16-09-2020 11:22AM

the corpo wrote: »

We rang GP, child had cough and runny nose, no temperature, still told to stay home and referred for test.

Pretty much just a runny nose on it's own is allowable to send in, but once it's combined with any other symptom, it's time to be cautious.

thanks..this is not easy when there r 3-4 kids in house and they haves simple runny nose or cough one after the other, just after sending them to school for a week

JDD · 16-09-2020 11:24AM

hello2020 wrote: »

thanks..this is not easy when there r 3-4 kids in house and they haves simple runny nose or cough one after the other, just after sending them to school for a week

Aye. Kid 1 caught it first, wasn't sent for a test. Kid 2 and 3 caught it since (and are over it) but I didn't ring the doctor again because I expected the same answer.

hello2020 · 16-09-2020 12:03PM

JDD wrote: »

Aye. Kid 1 caught it first, wasn't sent for a test. Kid 2 and 3 caught it since (and are over it) but I didn't ring the doctor again because I expected the same answer.

same here

... twins got it first then pass it to kid 3.. they r over with it now.. but i don't feel comfortable in sending them back to school

SusanC10 · 16-09-2020 12:09PM

What constitutes a Cluster in a School ?

Is it 2 or more connected cases ?

16-09-2020 12:11PM

khalessi wrote: »

Just updatig this from the one I put up the other day https://twitter.com/ConorRiordan2/status/1305921829308116992

Leaving cert results night?

Icantthinkof1 · 16-09-2020 12:12PM

We are currently on our 10th day out of school. We have 3 kids and all 3 were sent for tests (all negative results) thankfully.
Child 3 temp, runny nose and sore throat passed it onto child 1 temp, cough and runny nose and then child 2 got sick- cough, sore throat and ear
Child 1 still has a temperature 10days on.
GP agreed to see them Monday and prescribed antibiotics and steroids as 2 now have chest infections.
Our GP when assessing them wore full ppe gear despite their negative tests which I found a bit unnerving as I had been to see him twice recently and the only ppe worn by him was a mask.
Made me question (and a bit paranoid) was there still a possibility despite their 3 negative tests that they could have it?!
I should have asked him why he was wearing all the ppe but as any parent knows it’s some job bringing 3 kids at the same time to a dr

Lillyfae · 16-09-2020 12:13PM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Colleague took a handful of classes outside to teach them, as it was so humid in class, and was told not to do that again by management

Why on earth would they stop them taking them outside??

wirelessdude01 · 16-09-2020 12:26PM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Colleague took a handful of classes outside to teach them, as it was so humid in class, and was told not to do that again by management

Was there a reason given for this stance?

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