Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

spookwoman · 15-09-2020 03:26PM

8120 Tests done over 24hrs
310 Positive for 24hrs
76,238 Week total of tests
2% Positive for week, up 0.2% from yesterday

caveat emptor · 15-09-2020 03:26PM

What does reinfection look like in other corona viruses? Not good.

6 months to the day I posted this. I was rubbishing the UK plan but our "plan" is just as ****. Seems not a lot has changed.

https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1305605844013203456?s=20

*the common cold comprised of many viruses some of which are corona viruses.

caveat emptor wrote: »

British assumption no long term damage from contracting the disease. There is plenty of evidence to suggest this. Google "ground glass opacities" to see the effect on non emergency patients if you are interested. They are ignoring this or that reinfection can't won't occur. The common cold is a coronavirus. Is anyone immune to it?

Ultimately I believe they know the approach is boll0x and are trying to keep things going a little bit longer before drastic measures are implemented. Very important to appear to have a plan. Most people don't possess the intellect to comprehend if it is actually feasible. By the time it gets bad they'll just say "aw well we tried"

s1ippy · 15-09-2020 03:27PM

Boggles wrote: »

Well, I'll put it this way.

If I were a Turkey farmer I would be doubling production.

Haha I don't think rearing turkeys works the way you think it works!

But your point is 100% salient nonetheless. I ordered our goose, turkey and ham on Friday to go in the freezer.

Assetbacked · 15-09-2020 03:28PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

thoughts on this?

I'm in West Cork for a weekend the end of September (from Dublin) and also looking to book a week towards the end of October in Ireland to take advantage of this tax rebate. There's great deals on accommodation in Ireland now schools and workers are back.

EDIT: I was in Germany in August which is why I'm not in need of a foreign holiday so soon. But would highly recommend going abroad if that's an option.

Arghus · 15-09-2020 03:29PM

Boggles wrote: »

The press need to up there game as well.

2 minutes after the Minister for Health says it's going to be the most challenging winter on record for the health service.

They are hit with the "what about Christmas" question.

Join the dots.

The media as a collective can be quite stupid. And the Irish press pack is quite small so it's easy for them to develop a monomaniacal focus on one issue or to completely ignore something altogether - because no one has mentioned it yet.

I understand that Dublin is where a lot of the media's attention lies at the moment, but watch now how all the focus in the media shifts to Dublin and the wider picture of the situation in the country as a whole disappears.

Non solum non ambulabit · 15-09-2020 03:29PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

310 Positive swabs over last 24 hours. 8122 tests.

High positivity rate there. 3.8%

Boggles · 15-09-2020 03:29PM

s1ippy wrote: »

Haha I don't think rearing turkeys works the way you think it works!

I'd be shocked if those Aldi Turkeys for 8 quid spent more than a month on the planet.

podgeandrodge · 15-09-2020 03:29PM

Assetbacked wrote: »

I'm in West Cork for a weekend the end of September (from Dublin) and also looking to book a week towards the end of October in Ireland to take advantage of this tax rebate. There's great deals on accommodation in Ireland now schools and workers are back.

Thanks

Very aggravating that they have actually asked people to consider staying on holidays around Ireland from 1st October, and now they are saying "please" don't go right before that period starts!

Gruffalux · 15-09-2020 03:30PM

Another word I now hate to be added to riddled and moist... SWABS. Blech! What a disgusting word. Riddled moist swabs.

MerlinSouthDub · 15-09-2020 03:30PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

High positivity rate there. 3.8%

I am of an optimistic mindset - good chance of a lower number tomorrow!

caveat emptor · 15-09-2020 03:30PM

It hasn't been 12 months yet. Going for de facto herd immunity is insanely risky knowing what we know about other corona viruses.

Caution should be taken when relying on policies that require long-term immunity, such as vaccination or natural infection to reach herd immunity. Other studies have shown that neutralizing SARS-CoV-2 antibody levels decrease within the first 2 months after infection, especially after mild COVID-197,8, and we observed a similar decrease in anti-nucleocapsid antibodies of seasonal coro- naviruses (Extended Data Fig. 6). However, antibodies are only one marker for immunity, which is probably also influenced by B cell- and T cell-mediated immunity. In our study, we monitored reinfections, which can occur only when protective immunity (cellular and/or humoral) is insufficient. We show that reinfections by natural infec- tion occur for all four seasonal coronaviruses, suggesting that it is a common feature for all human coronaviruses, including SARS-CoV-2. Reinfections occurred most frequently at 12 months after infection, indicating that protective immunity is only short-lived.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-1083-1.pdf

Goldengirl · 15-09-2020 03:30PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

We have all sacrificed massively (funerals, family occasions, weddings, medical procedures postponed) and over a hundred thousand people have lost their jobs.

This was all done to protect the health services.

Somehow I think we are considering the impacts.

You know you took that out of context , don't you ?

Martina1991 · 15-09-2020 03:32PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

I'm also curious to know the hospital capacity for daily tests. Can they actually test every single admission in their lab?

Each hospital lab will have a different daily capacity. Generally the larger hospitals have a larger capacity but it still depends on reagent supplies and staff numbers.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Donnelly asked about delays in testing and he's saying oh that could be down to us not having the correct contact details or not being able to get in touch with them for a test.

Utter load of nonsense

I wouldn't say its nonsense.

There's a lot of manual data transcription and entry. One wrong or missing digit means a person cannot be contacted. Some people do not answer their phones to unknown numbers. Errors like this can and do happen and cause delays.

Thousands of tests were delays in Germany in August due to problems with handwritten contact details.
https://www.macaubusiness.com/germany-admits-delay-in-thousands-of-virus-test-results/

Back in May these issues were reported in Ireland. The process is much more streamlined now, but human error and delays can still occur. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/technical-issues-and-errors-slowing-down-covid-19-testing-and-tracing-in-ireland-1.4251980

Goldengirl · 15-09-2020 03:32PM

growleaves wrote: »

Tiny Tim Hardest Hit

Gonna Be Lonely This Christmas..

stockshares · 15-09-2020 03:33PM

Alan Kelly mentioned just now that Micheal Martins Gov has 18 special advisors and three press advisors.

Richard Boyd and Mary Lou mentioning it now.

21 advisors and that ****show today.(costing €2,000,000+)

He also asked are any of them from the Health sector, even one would be handy. He got no clear answer except Martin mentioning the CMO is the person for Health advice

Hawthorn Tree · 15-09-2020 03:35PM

I cannot comprehend how they went ahead with the press conference when they clearly couldn't verbalise the message and the document was still a work-in-progress?
What other organisation would do that? Why not delay and do the press conference at a later time or day.
Our political system is reaching new lows with this government. We are only on Day 80.

niallo27 · 15-09-2020 03:36PM

growleaves wrote: »

Gulf princes touting a vaccine developed by a Chinese state-owned pharmaceutical company. Who but a mad hatter conspiracy theorist would feel a slight twinge of mistrust at that prospect?

Call me crazy but a near fully developed vaccine that kills a few 100 is better than covid that might kill 1000s and ruin economy's for years.

Goldengirl · 15-09-2020 03:37PM

Assetbacked wrote: »

I'm in West Cork for a weekend the end of September (from Dublin) and also looking to book a week towards the end of October in Ireland to take advantage of this tax rebate. There's great deals on accommodation in Ireland now schools and workers are back.

EDIT: I was in Germany in August which is why I'm not in need of a foreign holiday so soon. But would highly recommend going abroad if that's an option.

Yes . Lets all go to the country and get out of this infected city

stockshares · 15-09-2020 03:38PM

The merge has ruined this thread . It's as incoherent now as the briefing earlier.

15-09-2020 03:40PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

What does reinfection look like in other corona viruses? Not good.

6 months to the day I posted this. I was rubbishing the UK plan but our "plan" is just as ****. Seems not a lot has changed.

https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1305605844013203456?s=20

*the common cold comprised of many viruses some of which are corona viruses.

It must also be said that HCoV-OC43 in the graph is now the Prime suspect for the Russian Flu that killed 1 million people. Unfortunately it may be the case that for SARS 2 CoV to go the same way as HCoV OC43 we may need the majority of the population to get it, or at least a vaccine

ixoy · 15-09-2020 03:41PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Call me crazy but a near fully developed vaccine that kills a few 100 is better than covid that might kill 1000s and ruin economy's for years.

It's an interesting argument alright. The problem is though that deaths from the vaccine will mean people won't take the vaccine and then they won't reach the immunity levels needed.

Oranage2 · 15-09-2020 03:43PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

310 Positive swabs over last 24 hours. 8122 tests.

Holy Moly, please say this is just an anecdote

stockshares · 15-09-2020 03:46PM

spookwoman wrote: »

8120 Tests done over 24hrs
310 Positive for 24hrs
76,238 Week total of tests
2% Positive for week, up 0.2% from yesterday

How was this calculated and where does the info come from?

There was a post a couple if days ago saying that cases the next day would be announced as 350+ but that was wrong.

Zillah · 15-09-2020 03:46PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Call me crazy but a near fully developed vaccine that kills a few 100 is better than covid that might kill 1000s and ruin economy's for years.

One big danger is a partially effective vaccine could force the virus to evolve to avoid the underlying mechanism and make it resistant or immune to what would have otherwise been a fully effective vaccine released later.

It's like people not finishing their antibiotic protocol, allowing some of the most resistant bacteria to survive and spread their resistance.

dashoonage · 15-09-2020 03:46PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Holy Moly, please say this is just an anecdote

its just an anecdote

dashoonage · 15-09-2020 03:46PM

stockshares wrote: »

How was this calculated?

maths

BobbyMalone · 15-09-2020 03:47PM

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

I cannot comprehend how they went ahead with the press conference when they clearly couldn't verbalise the message and the document was still a work-in-progress?
What other organisation would do that? Why not delay and do the press conference at a later time or day.
Our political system is reaching new lows with this government. We are only on Day 80.

They must really believe that the message is clear and simple and that it's us that don't get it. A definite teacher/priest vibe off the government message since they formed. The alternative - that they don't believe the message is clear and evident, but went ahead with it anyway - is far worse.

What's really odd is that even with all their advisers, they still ploughed on. They either didn't listen to the people they just hired, or they did, but didn't give a shít.

spookwoman · 15-09-2020 03:48PM

stockshares wrote: »

How was this calculated and where does the info come from?

From the Government Hub https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/hospitals-icu--testing

Atlantic Dawn · 15-09-2020 03:48PM

Any word on the street about how many new cases today? Has to be significantly more than last Tuesday's 300 if the panic is to believed. 400 maybe?

spookwoman · 15-09-2020 03:48PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Holy Moly, please say this is just an anecdote

Or an outlier

Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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