Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

stephenjmcd wrote: »

On 3rd levels, most are nearly fully online until at least after Christmas and some have already decided it's online for the whole year.

I don't think they'll be as big an issue as many think, the vast majority were already set up for virtual learning before covid

Yes ,except first years who may be around a few days a week.

I have something to say which has been bugging me for the last few days :P

Discussion about Hospital cases , Covid or not...

All cases of Covid whether incidental ie picked up on admission for something else, or admitted with it, have to be isolated and treated seriously by the hospitals , hence why they are counted in the numbers.

It affects bed numbers seriously as if too many cases, wards and areas like xray and theatre have to separated into Covid and non Covid .

Same with staffing levels as those who work with Covid do not work with other patients.

I say this because some posters are under the impression that small numbers of Covid patients could not be affecting hospitals much.

Also while some hospitals only have one or two actual Covid cases , others have a higher concentration, whether due to catchment area or transfers in from other hospitals.
This makes sense while numbers are low as no point in every major hospital having ICU beds and wards tied up , and some hospitals have more expertise on site for Covid at this stage.

The impact on the health service is pervasive, as nobody wants any person attending hospital for some other illness to contract a disease which by its nature , even when mild, is inflammatory and can make other illnesses worse.

That means that restrictions on every patient , from how they are moved from one area to another for treatment , whether they have to wait until an area that has been used by another who may not yet have a clear swab is decontaminated etc.

All is usually planned for so called clean cases to be done first but that doesn't always happen , especially in an emergency .

This has the knock on effect of reducing numbers of patients that can be treated safely , and if it continues ,things are going to reach a tipping point at some stage where non Covid patients will be delayed or even cancelled .

So when next you all notice numbers rising please consider the impacts on the health service , it is not just as simple as adding a number.

seamus wrote: »

I am. Genuinely.

More fool me, maybe.

Why? Because this isn't really rocket science. Given 11 weeks to work on it, I'm pretty sure I, on my own, could have produced a more coherent plan. That's not an expression of self-confidence, it's an expression of how obvious it is that we just need clear guidlines.

Therefore, I assumed, clearly with much naivety, that a Government with twenty ministers, hundreds of highly qualified civil servants, a well paid communications firm, and direct urgent access to the top medical and scientific professionals in the country, would be able to knock this out of the park.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The singular vision of one intelligent person possibly would produce a better plan than a Commitee job with chefs from FG, FF, NPHET and a PR firm all stirring the broth.

AdamD wrote: »

how's Christmas going to work?

A traditional Irish Christmas is unlikely in this environment.

Whatever about a plan, it's time the Government started to be honest with the public and tell them what they can expect. Now is the time to start breaking the bad news, because we can be pretty sure the virus situation isn't going to improve over Winter. Waiting until the middle of December is stupid from a PR and a morale point of view.

"There are 5 levels"

"Okay, and what level is Dublin?"

"2.5"

This is straight out of a monty python sketch.

caveat emptor wrote: »

Number of health care workers getting infected is increasing both in absolute terms and as a proportion of total cases reported in the week.

But surely it will be said it is coming from households?;)

hmmm wrote: »

A traditional Irish Christmas is unlikely in this environment.

Whatever about a plan, it's time the Government started to be honest with the public and tell them what they can expect. Now is the time to start breaking the bad news, because we can be pretty sure the virus situation isn't going to improve over Winter. Waiting until the middle of December is stupid from a PR and a morale point of view.

The press need to up there game as well.

2 minutes after the Minister for Health says it's going to be the most challenging winter on record for the health service.

They are hit with the "what about Christmas" question.

Join the dots.

Goldengirl wrote: »

When Beasty says this , what threads does he mean are being merged?

2.5 of them are being merged if you live in Dublin

Goldengirl wrote: »

When Beasty says this , what threads does he mean are being merged?

Someone begins a new thread on the forum and due to its generality it gets merged into this umbrella thread. So this thread + 1 other.

Funsterdelux wrote: »

So much for TENEO

(PR firm)

Silk purses and sows ears come to mind here :pac:

rob316 wrote: »

That was my favourite bit.

Martin - we haven't talked about christmas, this is a plan for the next 6 to 9 months.

Someone better inform him its in the 3rd month of his plan.

Well, I'll put it this way.

If I were a Turkey farmer I would be doubling production.

310 swabs.

Keeping the pubs closed that haven't been open since March will cure this growth.

podgeandrodge wrote: »

thoughts on this?

I would definitely go. Not even a question in my mind.

Boggles wrote: »

The press need to up there game as well.

2 minutes after the Minister for Health says it's going to be the most challenging winter on record for the health service.

They are hit with the "what about Christmas" question.

Join the dots.

That's so that publication can put in a headline "Taoiseach says Christmas Cancelled" .