Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

ZX7R · 15-09-2020 02:10PM

Seamai wrote: »

I've obviously hit a raw nerve. I'd really like to know what you've seen in my older posts that provoked that comment, I'd be happy with even one example.

No nerve hit , just can't understand why people don't want to here what other countries think of our government plan for dealing with covid-19 even if it's not considered positive.
Before I left Ireland the government were going a different direction to the rest of the EU
They need to work more in line with the rest of Europe.
Sure want does it matter anyhow I don't live there anymore.
Sincerely I hope everyone stays safe no matter what county we're in.

Seamai · 15-09-2020 02:10PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

The look on his face, he was fuming with her and only himself to blame

He seems to be constantly on the defensive.

Busi_Girl08 · 15-09-2020 02:12PM

Seamai wrote: »

He seems to be constantly on the defensive.

He doesn't understand why no-one else finds the plan perfectly clear even though he keeps saying it is.

15-09-2020 02:13PM

If you are going to publish a plan and immediately instigate an exception to the plan, why develop a plan. If they did not believe it would be palatable to put Dublin straight on to Level 3, they should have just published the details and criteria, but said "will will initiate on the 28th based on each regions status on the 24th"

It would now be completely reasonable disregard the prospect that should the levels change, the guidance will give any indication as the what to expect as consistency didn't even survive the announcement.

Rx713B · 15-09-2020 02:13PM

Wow he is in way out of depth here

seamus · 15-09-2020 02:14PM

rob316 wrote: »

Is that right? Nightclubs, Casinos and Discos are to remain closed under every level of this plan.

Yes.

It actually makes perfect sense since anything below level 1 basically means the pandemic is over. And it's not going to be over in the next 6-9 months.

But it does leave a big blank page about anything beyond the 6-9 month period of this plan and what owners of these businesses are supposed to be preparing for.

There is room for entrepreneurship here. "Organised" gatherings permit up to fifty people. Which leaves space for Nightclub owners to become event "organisers" where a group can "organise" to gather indoors in a nightclub for a nominal fee per head, per hour.

Busi_Girl08 · 15-09-2020 02:14PM

Also, if he thinks this doesn't leave them open to NPHET faffing around with the levels for different counties, then he is extremely naive.

billybonkers · 15-09-2020 02:15PM

How many beers we talking today?

Seamai · 15-09-2020 02:18PM

ZX7R wrote: »

No nerve hit , just can't understand why people don't want to here what other countries think of our government plan for dealing with covid-19 even if it's not considered positive.
Before I left Ireland the government were going a different direction to the rest of the EU
They need to work more in line with the rest of Europe.
Sure want does it matter anyhow I don't live there anymore.
Sincerely I hope everyone stays safe no matter what county we're in.

No problem, I get frustrated here by a certain type of Irish person who are obsessed by what other countries think of us and then those that think every other country is doing a better job than us rather than being pro active.
You're right we should be working more with other EU countries in this.
You stay safe.

AlmightyCushion · 15-09-2020 02:19PM

billybonkers wrote: »

How many beers we talking today?

It seems Michael Martin has had way too many beers as it is.

Goldengirl · 15-09-2020 02:22PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I'd like to see Carl Heneghan and Luke O'Neill go head to head. It'll never happen with the way Irish media is controlling the narrative in everything.

Saw Kingston Mills make mincemeat out of him on PT a while back .

Heneghan is a self publicising plonker , a mercenary person who like others in only picking a side to try to make a name for himself so that he can do plenty of so called scientific reviews for a good price for various interested companies and make the big bucks.

If you don't know by now that there is money to be made by some, and only to trust those with either credentials for working for the public good or a declared conflict of interest, I don't know what more to say to you!
It is one of the first principles in critiquing the bona fides of any research or review.

Eod100 · 15-09-2020 02:22PM

Amateur stuff. Hope pr firm wasnt paid for this.. https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1305854913898057740?s=19

ACitizenErased · 15-09-2020 02:23PM

Is anyone genuinely surprised?

If you are, why?

15-09-2020 02:29PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Amateur stuff. Hope pr firm wasnt paid for this.. https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1305854913898057740?s=19

PR firm are probably rapidly briefing their other customers that they had nothing to do with this

ACitizenErased · 15-09-2020 02:30PM

From what I can see the 1 death in ICU yesterday occurred in Beaumont

ForestFire · 15-09-2020 02:33PM

Busi_Girl08 wrote: »

He doesn't understand why no-one else finds the plan perfectly clear even though he keeps saying it is.

The last time he said..."shure tis as clear as night and day", they (Public Office folk) organised a golf outing the next day and broke all the rules

Why not ask Phil Hogan if he understands it, that should be the litmus test!!:D

Busi_Girl08 · 15-09-2020 02:35PM

ForestFire wrote: »

The last time he said..."shure tis as clear as night and day", they (Public Office folk) organised a golf outing the next day and broke all the rules

Why not ask Phil Hogan if he understands it, that should be the litmus test!!:D

Did NPHET consult the Citizens Information website too?

Arghus · 15-09-2020 02:37PM

The communication and presentation of the plan was entirely underwhelming and their dithering around Dublin is inexplicable but once you look at the details of the plan as a whole it isn't that surprising, no?

Funsterdelux · 15-09-2020 02:37PM

So much for TENEO

(PR firm)

iguana · 15-09-2020 02:38PM

DangerScouse wrote: »

Long Covid is an issue without a doubt. Iv'e had two "false dawns" recovering from the virus and if im 100% honest with myself im beginning to wonder if i'll ever feel the way i did last year again.

I’m sure you will. While I’m not 100% recovered from the virus I had in March. (No test but symptomatic Covid diagnosis.) I’m well enough now that I feel I will recover fully at some point in the nearish future. My fitness and strength levels aren’t quite where they were in early March but they are getting there. There are some exercises I need to avoid as they trigger my costochondritis and I have to be careful about very long drives for the same reason. And I have Candida overgrowth due to my immune system being clobbered and my thyroid problems fade comes back in waves.

But since July I’ve been getting closer and closer to normal fitness levels while also using the rebuilding of muscle as an opportunity to increase my flexibility and strength in a range of motion. I had a number of false recoveries and even now my recovery is still 2 steps forward 1 step back, but I see the light at the end of the tunnel.

blowitupref · 15-09-2020 02:39PM

billybonkers wrote: »

How many beers we talking today?

I need a few whiskeys after reading that roadmap of confusion..

15-09-2020 02:39PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Saw Kingston Mills make mincemeat out of him on PT a while back .

Heneghan is a self publicising plonker , a mercenary person who like others in only picking a side to try to make a name for himself so that he can do plenty of so called scientific reviews for a good price for various interested companies and make the big bucks.

If you don't know by now that there is money to be made by some, and only to trust those with either credentials for working for the public good or a declared conflict of interest, I don't know what more to say to you!
It is one of the first principles in critiquing the bona fides of any research or review.

Its interesting that Ben Goldacre, Senior research fellow at Heneghan's CEBM is not joining him in his crusade. He is an expect communicator on bad science especially and if he shared Heneghan's beliefs would be front and centre with him.

Hawthorn Tree · 15-09-2020 02:40PM

ForestFire wrote: »

The last time he said..."shure tis as clear as night and day", they (Public Office folk) organised a golf outing the next day and broke all the rules

Why not ask Phil Hogan if he understands it, that should be the litmus test!!:D

15-09-2020 02:42PM

Arghus wrote: »

The communication and presentation of the plan was entirely underwhelming and their dithering around Dublin is inexplicable but once you look at the details of the plan as a whole it isn't that surprising, no?

The household visiting rules are untenable for a medium term plan in my opinion. Even at level 1 they are massively restrictive. For example a family with 3 adult children (now living elsewhere), couldn't have a family dinner with 5 people...as its > 3 households.

At a basic example that's madness, how's Christmas going to work? Even if the virus goes to June levels I can't have 3 friends over?

Zero realism in that

John O.Groats · 15-09-2020 02:44PM

Irish Steve wrote: »

Please, as soon as possible, buy that boat, preferrably without an internet connection, and fill it with beer. That way, you can do whatever you like without putting other people at risk.

Indeed. Hopefully some of the other mad hatters on this forum will join him on that boat. They could even set up their own commune on some remote island similar to what the hippies did in Clew Bay in the 1970s.

Sweet.Science · 15-09-2020 02:46PM

Another country (UAE) has approved emergency use of a vaccine today

Thank god the end game is close for this whole circus

Assetbacked · 15-09-2020 02:52PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

So much for TENEO

(PR firm)

Teneo PR act for the Irish Pharmaceutical Healthcare Association, even sharing a director. IPHA of course is the lobby group for the big pharma companies in Ireland.

seamus · 15-09-2020 02:52PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Is anyone genuinely surprised?

If you are, why?

I am. Genuinely.

More fool me, maybe.

Why? Because this isn't really rocket science. Given 11 weeks to work on it, I'm pretty sure I, on my own, could have produced a more coherent plan. That's not an expression of self-confidence, it's an expression of how obvious it is that we just need clear guidlines.

Therefore, I assumed, clearly with much naivety, that a Government with twenty ministers, hundreds of highly qualified civil servants, a well paid communications firm, and direct urgent access to the top medical and scientific professionals in the country, would be able to knock this out of the park.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

growleaves · 15-09-2020 02:52PM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Another country (UAE) has approved emergency use of a vaccine today

Thank god the end game is close for this whole circus

Gulf princes touting a vaccine developed by a Chinese state-owned pharmaceutical company. Who but a mad hatter conspiracy theorist would feel a slight twinge of mistrust at that prospect?

stockshares · 15-09-2020 02:53PM

Here an inconsistency. You can hold an event with a 100 people as long as it's not a wedding. Weddings must be 50.

https://twitter.com/gardonnelly/status/1305864770378182657?s=19

Edit:
Apparently there's been an update
https://twitter.com/exsoonsinger/status/1305861923100131328?s=19

Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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