Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

Jim_Hodge · 14-09-2020 07:52AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I don't think their trying to spin it, yes numbers are rising. That poster though simply showing that when numbers of 200 odd and 300 odd are announced they're much more spread out than daily numbers suggest.

I know what they said but it doesn't matter. The vagaries of daily figures is immaterial and it was a spin. The 7 day instance is undeniable.

14-09-2020 07:52AM

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

This has probably been discussed before but anyone at that anti-lockdown protest should have their names booked and if worst comes to worst and they end up getting COVID, if it's between them and someone who adhered to the guidelines and NPHET recommendations, they should not be chosen for an ICU place. The Hippocratic oath is only so valid as there are ICU places in abundance. This ignorance and arrogance had best be met with punitive measures - I'm all for freedom of speech, but not so much scientific illiteracy and the endangerment of society.

How about we gather all these sub-humans in one location, some sort of camp, so we can concentrate all our efforts on ensuring they are punished in a manner commensurate with their level of depravity. It should not all be about punishment however, they should be a level of re-education, and a handy slogan to emphasise what we want them to achieve, something like "Hand Sanitiser Macht Frei"

14-09-2020 08:11AM

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

This has probably been discussed before but anyone at that anti-lockdown protest should have their names booked and if worst comes to worst and they end up getting COVID, if it's between them and someone who adhered to the guidelines and NPHET recommendations, they should not be chosen for an ICU place. The Hippocratic oath is only so valid as there are ICU places in abundance. This ignorance and arrogance had best be met with punitive measures - I'm all for freedom of speech, but not so much scientific illiteracy and the endangerment of society.

Irish doctors don't take the Hippocratic oath, a fact that people who were against the repeal of the 8th amendment seemed ignorant of on here and other sites at the time or wanted introduced, so I would imagine that many attending the march were aware of this, or you would like to imagine that they should be.

Despite my own personal opinions, it would be unethical to deny people medical care even if those that organised and attended the march would do the same thing to others because of their beliefs.

US2 · 14-09-2020 08:12AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Your link was a private company launching a private service. Very communist that

A private company might have created it but it's mentioned alot on the HSE. This is the road we are going down. The UK the same, Boris called it the "freedom passport".

14-09-2020 08:19AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Was conspiracy nonsense anyway (the post I was responding to that is)

That would be why then

Widdensushi · 14-09-2020 08:20AM

US2 wrote: »

A private company might have created it but it's mentioned alot on the HSE. This is the road we are going down. The UK the same, Boris called it the "freedom passport".

Belongs in the conspiracy theories, it won't be happening.

US2 · 14-09-2020 08:25AM

Widdensushi wrote: »

Belongs in the conspiracy theories, it won't be happening.

it's real! It's mentioned on the HSE website, how is that conspiracy?

Widdensushi · 14-09-2020 08:26AM

US2 wrote: »

it's real! It's mentioned on the HSE website, how is that conspiracy?

Link please

caveat emptor · 14-09-2020 08:31AM

Mike Ryan warning that we should avoid all Covid infection as we don't know what medium to long term damage it does to the cardio vascular system even in young people.

"There's enough people out there having difficulties with their exercise tolerance, having difficulties with their breathing ... that we want to try and avoid all COVID infections if possible"

https://twitter.com/DrZoeHyde/status/1305394267712450560?s=20

The HorsesMouth · 14-09-2020 08:42AM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

I know what they said but it doesn't matter. The vagaries of daily figures is immaterial and it was a spin. The 7 day instance is undeniable.

Yes it does matter. Because to the general public figures of for e.g 84 one day and 307 the next could suggest a sudden and massive outbreak rather than a steady increase over 7 to 14 days.
So I take your point in that the daily figures are a spin....but they are not immaterial.

US2 · 14-09-2020 08:55AM

We won't be forced to take a vaccine but life won't be worth living if we don't get it.. remember this virus has more than a 99% survival rate.

https://twitter.com/wef/status/1297220739884412929?s=19

stephenjmcd · 14-09-2020 09:01AM

US2 wrote: »

We won't be forced to take a vaccine but life won't be worth living if we don't get it.. remember this virus has more than a 99% survival rate.

https://twitter.com/wef/status/1297220739884412929?s=19

Well I'll gladly take one to get society back on track when it becomes available.

If the anti vaccine crowd actually looked into vaccines and the safety data before they started shouting and roaring that would be great.

Just get the bloody thing when it becomes available and its your time to get it. It'll be a way to get back to normal life

ZX7R · 14-09-2020 09:04AM

Widdensushi wrote: »

Link please

I believe the poster is getting the HSE health passport issued last year for adults with intellectual disabilities mixed up with a health passport for covid-19

drunkmonkey · 14-09-2020 09:07AM

US2 wrote: »

We won't be forced to take a vaccine but life won't be worth living if we don't get it.. remember this virus has more than a 99% survival rate.

https://twitter.com/wef/status/1297220739884412929?s=19

I don't think anything will come of these, all they needed for the Whuhan pool party was a temperature check on the way in nothing more, there back having beer festivals and raves.
Taiwan had it's fist 10,000 capacity concert a few weeks ago without problems.
If China thinks that's enough, it's probably enough, they know more about it than most.

US2 · 14-09-2020 09:13AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I don't think anything will come of these, all they needed for the Whuhan pool party was a temperature check on the way in nothing more, there back having beer festivals and raves.
Taiwan had it's fist 10,000 capacity concert a few weeks ago without problems.
If China thinks that's enough, it's probably enough, they know more about it than most.

I really hope you're right. I was up late last night And got sucked into a work hole. It has already been rolled out in a few countries.

Boggles · 14-09-2020 09:14AM

US2 wrote: »

I really hope you're right. I was up late last night And got sucked into a work hole. It has already been rolled out in a few countries.

Is that code for "I hired a prostitute"?

14-09-2020 09:32AM

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

This has probably been discussed before but anyone at that anti-lockdown protest should have their names booked and if worst comes to worst and they end up getting COVID, if it's between them and someone who adhered to the guidelines and NPHET recommendations, they should not be chosen for an ICU place. The Hippocratic oath is only so valid as there are ICU places in abundance. This ignorance and arrogance had best be met with punitive measures - I'm all for freedom of speech, but not so much scientific illiteracy and the endangerment of society.

Yeah that's absolutely never going to and never should happen in a civilised society. Its shocking that post has so many 'thanks'

SusanC10 · 14-09-2020 09:33AM

Confused on what the message is likely to be on "work from home".

Read this during the week :-

"Under the heading ‘Work’ Level 1 and 2 advise, ‘Work from home where possible’; Level 3 will advise staying at home, it says,‘Work from home unless absolutely necessary to attend in person.’

Level 4 and 5 will send a chill through city centre business across Ireland. Level 4 says ‘Only essential or other designated workers should go to work’.

Level 5 says, ‘Work from home unless essential for work which is an essential health, social care or other essential service and cannot be done from home.’"

https://extra.ie/2020/09/10/news/irish-news/exclusive-how-schools-workplaces-and-socialising-would-be-affected-under-new-living-with-covid-plan/amp

But friends saying that people will be encouraged back to the office including long commutes etc

is_that_so · 14-09-2020 09:38AM

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

This has probably been discussed before but anyone at that anti-lockdown protest should have their names booked and if worst comes to worst and they end up getting COVID, if it's between them and someone who adhered to the guidelines and NPHET recommendations, they should not be chosen for an ICU place. The Hippocratic oath is only so valid as there are ICU places in abundance. This ignorance and arrogance had best be met with punitive measures - I'm all for freedom of speech, but not so much scientific illiteracy and the endangerment of society.

This type of dogmatic and frankly dangerous mindset is what discourages people from getting tested and sets up the notion of a hierarchy of "deplorables".

ZX7R · 14-09-2020 09:40AM

US2 wrote: »

I really hope you're right. I was up late last night And got sucked into a work hole. It has already been rolled out in a few countries.

15 countries have singed up to it
There a 2 means of testing blood testing or a covid swab test.
Spain for instance have are one of the countries they are going down the blood test route using antibodies but the biggest problem there is both the W.H.O and U.N health council have not given approval for antibodies test results to be used as proof of either been clear of the virus or having immunity.
Then there is swabing tests with a 10 minute turn around have not received full medical clearance as of yet.
Then there is the ethical problems where a blood test would be required in relation to religious beliefs etc.
Then there is the cost
Originally 65 countries singed up to the uk based company 50 pulled out.
The company creating this is only looking at there prophet .
It won't be an easy job to implement it.
More interestingly is the number of countries that are big player's that didn't show an interest

is_that_so · 14-09-2020 09:43AM

SusanC10 wrote: »

Confused on what the message is likely to be on "work from home".

Read this during the week :-

"Under the heading ‘Work’ Level 1 and 2 advise, ‘Work from home where possible’; Level 3 will advise staying at home, it says,‘Work from home unless absolutely necessary to attend in person.’

Level 4 and 5 will send a chill through city centre business across Ireland. Level 4 says ‘Only essential or other designated workers should go to work’.

Level 5 says, ‘Work from home unless essential for work which is an essential health, social care or other essential service and cannot be done from home.’"

https://extra.ie/2020/09/10/news/irish-news/exclusive-how-schools-workplaces-and-socialising-would-be-affected-under-new-living-with-covid-plan/amp

But friends saying that people will be encouraged back to the office including long commutes etc

From conversations with people, return date to work are any time from now till January. Levels seem to correspond to the levels of restrictions we had. There are things being lost in all this virtual office work, like quick tete a tetes, socialising and the febrile atmosphere of idea generation. Sometimes you do have to be in the room!

screamer · 14-09-2020 09:43AM

SusanC10 wrote: »

Confused on what the message is likely to be on "work from home".

Read this during the week :-

"Under the heading ‘Work’ Level 1 and 2 advise, ‘Work from home where possible’; Level 3 will advise staying at home, it says,‘Work from home unless absolutely necessary to attend in person.’

Level 4 and 5 will send a chill through city centre business across Ireland. Level 4 says ‘Only essential or other designated workers should go to work’.

Level 5 says, ‘Work from home unless essential for work which is an essential health, social care or other essential service and cannot be done from home.’"

https://extra.ie/2020/09/10/news/irish-news/exclusive-how-schools-workplaces-and-socialising-would-be-affected-under-new-living-with-covid-plan/amp

But friends saying that people will be encouraged back to the office including long commutes etc

Yep, we’ll be herded into town and city offices because forget COVID-19, our money is more important to prop up some small sandwich shops than anything else.
Sure, we should just open the country up and to hell with the consequences, well just take our chances....

polesheep · 14-09-2020 09:44AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Well I'll gladly take one to get society back on track when it becomes available.

If the anti vaccine crowd actually looked into vaccines and the safety data before they started shouting and roaring that would be great.

Just get the bloody thing when it becomes available and its your time to get it. It'll be a way to get back to normal life

Just wear the bloody thing, just get the bloody thing... just do what you're told. This virus is bringing out the dictator in people.

screamer · 14-09-2020 09:45AM

is_that_so wrote: »

From conversations with people, return date to work are any time from now till January. Levels seem to correspond to the levels of restrictions we had. There are things being lost in all this virtual office work, like quick tete a tetes, socialising and the febrile atmosphere of idea generation. Sometimes you do have to be in the room!

Or in some cases things like gossiping, bullying and a hostile office environment are missing. Not all of us work in office utopia. If I never saw my co workers again, I’d have no problems with it.

stephenjmcd · 14-09-2020 09:46AM

polesheep wrote: »

Just wear the bloody thing, just get the bloody thing... just do what you're told. This virus is bringing out the dictator in people.

Give it a rest will you. I don't like wearing masks, who does? Can't wait to get rid of the things.

Anti vaccine crowds wouldn't have the slightest clue about safety data and go off whatever the local Facebook conspiracy group status is for the day.

If a vaccine is a way to get back to normal then just go with it, christ read up on it if you prefer before taking it. Its what I've been doing and learned an awful lot about the process

is_that_so · 14-09-2020 09:47AM

screamer wrote: »

Yep, we’ll be herded into town and city offices because forget COVID-19, our money is more important to prop up some small sandwich shops than anything else.
Sure, we should just open the country up and to hell with the consequences, well just take our chances....

From what I hear from others, at most they will be doing only 30% of that "herding". Sandwich shops have employees who are people like you, with bills to pay, families and a need to make a living.

is_that_so · 14-09-2020 09:48AM

screamer wrote: »

Or in some cases things like gossiping, bullying and a hostile office environment are missing. Not all of us work in office utopia. If I never saw my co workers again, I’d have no problems with it.

Sure, but your prism of the world is not reality for anyone but you. I'd suggest a new job TBH if it really is that bad.

screamer · 14-09-2020 09:49AM

is_that_so wrote: »

From what I hear from others, at most they will be doing only 30% of that "herding". Sandwich shops have employees who are people like you, with bills to pay, families and a need to make a living.

That’s fine, but I won’t be risking myself to provide them a living. I’ll just bring my own food in any event, especially as Covid cases rise, you never know who is sneezing on your sandwich.

stephenjmcd · 14-09-2020 09:49AM

SusanC10 wrote: »

Confused on what the message is likely to be on "work from home".

Read this during the week :-

"Under the heading ‘Work’ Level 1 and 2 advise, ‘Work from home where possible’; Level 3 will advise staying at home, it says,‘Work from home unless absolutely necessary to attend in person.’

Level 4 and 5 will send a chill through city centre business across Ireland. Level 4 says ‘Only essential or other designated workers should go to work’.

Level 5 says, ‘Work from home unless essential for work which is an essential health, social care or other essential service and cannot be done from home.’"

https://extra.ie/2020/09/10/news/irish-news/exclusive-how-schools-workplaces-and-socialising-would-be-affected-under-new-living-with-covid-plan/amp

But friends saying that people will be encouraged back to the office including long commutes etc

Yup because the plan has had many drafts and is constantly changing.

As per Irish times and Independent, businesses and staff will be encouraged to return to the office where possible.

If an employer says come into the office in level 1 or 2 you don't really have much choice unless there's circumstances that prevent it.

Most will give you the choice. My own are giving the option of both but alot want to come back in

screamer · 14-09-2020 09:50AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Sure, but your prism of the world is not reality for anyone but you. I'd suggest a new job TBH if it really is that bad.

Jees you’re full of solutions. My prism of reality, presumptious aren’t we...... ignore button clicked

Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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