Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

owlbethere · 14-09-2020 12:29AM

Today's numbers were fcuking mad. 255 for the country with 156 of them in Dublin alone. There were days we were getting approximately them kind of numbers for the whole country, now Dublin alone is coming out with them case numbers. What's going wrong in Dublin for the huge increase in case numbers there?

Scuid Mhór · 14-09-2020 12:35AM

This has probably been discussed before but anyone at that anti-lockdown protest should have their names booked and if worst comes to worst and they end up getting COVID, if it's between them and someone who adhered to the guidelines and NPHET recommendations, they should not be chosen for an ICU place. The Hippocratic oath is only so valid as there are ICU places in abundance. This ignorance and arrogance had best be met with punitive measures - I'm all for freedom of speech, but not so much scientific illiteracy and the endangerment of society.

Wolf359f · 14-09-2020 12:35AM

owlbethere wrote: »

Today's numbers were fcuking mad. 255 for the country with 156 of them in Dublin alone. There were days we were getting approximately them kind of numbers for the whole country, now Dublin alone is coming out with them case numbers. What's going wrong in Dublin for the huge increase in case numbers there?

Remember, those 255 cases ain't just in the past 24hr period.
Up to Friday, we haven't actually had more than 200 cases day recently (based on the Epidemiological date) Cases are growing, but not as much as you think. Seeing a jump from 102-307 in a day, it's not how the pandemic is going.

Ten of Swords · 14-09-2020 12:38AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I'd honestly thought you'd given yourself sepsis the other night due to developing a bacterial infection from a mask.

It could be responsible for the infection, masking isn't good for your teeth either could be causing the tooth problems.

Was happy to hear your still alive that's the main thing...:)

Mod - This is getting into medical advice territory, do not try to diagnose someone like this

speckle · 14-09-2020 12:50AM

majcos wrote: »

Hope nobody would need all of the above mentioned specialists. Most hospitals outside the main cities (Model 3 hospitals) do not have all of those specialists but are still capable of dealing with complicated Covid cases.

Patients are admitted under a primary consultant who has overall responsibility but they often request a consultation from another specialist if there is a specific issue. If there is not a consultant/specialist in that particular field in the hospital, then the parent hospital within the hospital group would be contacted.

Don’t necessarily need, and it is not practical, to have every specialist in all hospital sites but the expertise that is needed is still accessible from elsewhere. Made even easier now with technology which means X-rays, CT scans etc can be viewed from elsewhere.

I hope that no one needs all above too.:)

Very interesting to hear how it all works in the hospital, information like this makes it easier for people admitted and family members on the outside, especially if they know beforehand .as a hospitalized case of covid let alone other things, can be an overwhelming situation in the best of times.

And good to know re the ct-scans/mri's, however badly the dictated results are (lol)...that they can be remotely viewed, as one of my friends has the job of being flown around the world calibrating them, and I can tell ye all... I know they take their job very seriously. A shout out to them, they know who they are.;)

Ficheall · 14-09-2020 12:53AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Remember, those 255 cases ain't just in the past 24hr period.
Up to Friday, we haven't actually had more than 200 cases day recently (based on the Epidemiological date) Cases are growing, but not as much as you think. Seeing a jump from 102-307 in a day, it's not how the pandemic is going.

Exactly - we only have a hundred cases more each day than we had a month ago.

Goldengirl · 14-09-2020 12:56AM

Ficheall wrote: »

And related - how many are losing the will to return to work and put themselves at risk when they see the opinions and actions from certain quarters?

It is depressing .

To some people here its just a big joke .

The people posting here who deny the virus or purpose of restrictions are just a minority , but a vocal one.

It is great to see some very genuine people posting and to read all of the views , but sometimes I have to admit it gets to me that there are people who are so selfish and can't see beyond their need for a pint or to not wear a mask.

We all wish this was over, but if teenagers and young people can put up with this , however begrudgingly , to help keep this virus under control, and we only need about 60% buy in to do it , I can't understand some of the supposed adults posting on Boards.
I think those posters need to be picked up on every little bit of BS and minimising of this .

That doesn't mean that everyone else is wrong.
Far from it .
Questions about every aspect of this should be asked .
But although some of those answers may not be forthcoming it doesn't mean the whole message is suspect .
But if we can put aside any niggly doubts about what we are being asked to do,and ask people to please see the bigger picture for what is probably going to be whether they realise it or not , a definitive time in the lives of everyone here.

Getting very serious now, time to go i think

FintanMcluskey · 14-09-2020 01:02AM

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

This has probably been discussed before but anyone at that anti-lockdown protest should have their names booked and if worst comes to worst and they end up getting COVID, if it's between them and someone who adhered to the guidelines and NPHET recommendations, they should not be chosen for an ICU place.

Anyone healthy enough to attend that demonstration, who subsequently contracts Covid would have no issue sign any disclaimer as the risk to them is so small, its not worth mentioning.

fritzelly · 14-09-2020 01:06AM

Is boards playing up again? My comment has disappeared and others

s1ippy · 14-09-2020 01:07AM

I'm dreaming of the time when I don't think once all day about this stupid situation. It might be a while off yet, but it gives me an amazing lift.

In to a pub for a pint and a gig with no worries about masks or distancing...

I'll probably have washed my hands thoroughly all the same though.

FintanMcluskey · 14-09-2020 01:07AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Is boards playing up again? My comment has disappeared and others

Mods usually delete for some bizzare reason

Goldengirl · 14-09-2020 01:07AM

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

This has probably been discussed before but anyone at that anti-lockdown protest should have their names booked and if worst comes to worst and they end up getting COVID, if it's between them and someone who adhered to the guidelines and NPHET recommendations, they should not be chosen for an ICU place. The Hippocratic oath is only so valid as there are ICU places in abundance. This ignorance and arrogance had best be met with punitive measures - I'm all for freedom of speech, but not so much scientific illiteracy and the endangerment of society.

It would be unethical to do that

That crowd would be the biggest whingers though , and would be complaining about every aspect of their care, no matter how good .
Any nurse can spot attention seekers like that a mile off!

drunkmonkey · 14-09-2020 01:08AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Questions about every aspect of this should be asked .
But although some of those answers may not be forthcoming it doesn't mean the whole message is suspect .

This is it keep questioning and we'll find nuggets of facts and truths along the way, it's all become very polarised now which is a problem.
The messaging has been terrible from the top down though it's no wonder everyone is so confused.
Dr Martin Feeley the other day is another perfect example. Everything is a contradiction and the government don't seem to know what there at.
MM was asked about him tonight, and ended up taking about schools again. What's your own 2 cent, how did it go down in work?.

fritzelly · 14-09-2020 01:08AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Mods usually delete for some bizzare reason

Was conspiracy nonsense anyway (the post I was responding to that is)

smellyoldboot · 14-09-2020 01:40AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Remember, those 255 cases ain't just in the past 24hr period.
Up to Friday, we haven't actually had more than 200 cases day recently (based on the Epidemiological date) Cases are growing, but not as much as you think. Seeing a jump from 102-307 in a day, it's not how the pandemic is going.

No we have 200 cases and 50 unverified from the day before carried over and then 210 cases and 55 from the day before carried over etc. It doesn't really make much difference does it?

US2 · 14-09-2020 01:57AM

We're heading for scary times. We won't be allowed enter shops or anything unless we scan our health passport to prove we're vaccinated for a virus with a 99% survival rate.

This isn't conspiracy theory nonsense

https://youtu.be/U88ZKJhztiM

Polar101 · 14-09-2020 02:08AM

US2 wrote: »

We're heading for scary times.

Don't be afraid, you'll get through this.

Rapid testing for businesses doesn't sound too scary to me, though.

US2 · 14-09-2020 02:12AM

Polar101 wrote: »

US2 wrote: »

We're heading for scary times. /QUOTE]

Don't be afraid, you'll get through this.

Rapid testing for businesses doesn't sound too scary to me, though.

You should move to China you'd like it there.

Polar101 · 14-09-2020 02:57AM

US2 wrote: »

You should move to China you'd like it there.

No thanks, I don't think I will. I don't even like the food.

Bit of a stretch there though, because I didn't think a test launch for some IT system is scary, I must like totalitarian states?

Why are you scared, then?

sabat · 14-09-2020 03:00AM

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

This has probably been discussed before but anyone at that anti-lockdown protest should have their names booked and if worst comes to worst and they end up getting COVID, if it's between them and someone who adhered to the guidelines and NPHET recommendations, they should not be chosen for an ICU place. The Hippocratic oath is only so valid as there are ICU places in abundance. This ignorance and arrogance had best be met with punitive measures - I'm all for freedom of speech, but not so much scientific illiteracy and the endangerment of society.

I've lost count of how many of this type of post I've read on boards now. To deconstruct them: you all hope that the wrath of God will come down upon any disbelievers and strike them with the plague while sparing the righteous. Who are the real 'loons' here?

PS: The Hippocratic Oath is an ancient text sworn to the Greek gods; in Ireland we have a Medical Council.

mandrake04 · 14-09-2020 03:47AM

spookwoman wrote: »

Don't know if anyone posted this today. Worth a listen 24 mins about testing in hospitals.
https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1305222456504979457?s=20

Thanks for posting most appreciated

Graces7 · 14-09-2020 03:48AM

sabat wrote: »

I've lost count of how many of this type of post I've read on boards now. To deconstruct them: you all hope that the wrath of God will come down upon any disbelievers and strike them with the plague while sparing the righteous. Who are the real 'loons' here?

PS: The Hippocratic Oath is an ancient text sworn to the Greek gods; in Ireland we have a Medical Council.[/QUOTE

The Hippocratic Oath is still sworn in the UK: Have you read it? You misunderstand it totally and it is as deeply relevant now as it was centuries ago

Its opening tenet is " first, do no harm."

In essence it means that no dr is to discriminate re medical care on any grounds. If you need care, that is the only "qualification". So withholding care on any grounds is forbidden, or prioritising on non clinical grounds.

Which is what the post you refer to seeks to do

DangerScouse · 14-09-2020 07:04AM

US2 wrote: »

We're heading for scary times. We won't be allowed enter shops or anything unless we scan our health passport to prove we're vaccinated for a virus with a 99% survival rate.

This isn't conspiracy theory nonsense

https://youtu.be/U88ZKJhztiM

I don't like the look of that at all tbh.

OscarMIlde · 14-09-2020 07:26AM

RGARDINR wrote: »

Yup same here i got the 140 and was like a sardine on it. If I could get on that is.

The 140 is really bad, especially since a good cohort of the passengers don't give a fcuk. Got it to town one day, about eight people, all sans masks, got on at Thomas st. Sat at the back of the bus together and proceeded to begin a sing song.

FishOnABike · 14-09-2020 07:27AM

majcos wrote: »

There are about 3,300 primary schools and 730 secondary schools. Have only been open for about two weeks but not doing too bad so far. None have had outbreaks as far as I know.

Agreed. Instances rather than outbreaks, as acting quickly as soon as someone has potential symptoms and quick test, track and trace has kept instances from spreading further in schools.

Schools are doing well due to the relatively low community incidence and their vigilance when a potential case arises within a school.

Jim_Hodge · 14-09-2020 07:40AM

Graces7 wrote: »

The Hippocratic Oath is still sworn in the UK: Have you read it? You misunderstand it totally and it is as deeply relevant now as it was centuries ago

Its opening tenet is " first, do no harm."

In essence it means that no dr is to discriminate re medical care on any grounds....

News flash! We're not in the UK. And even there they don't swear the Hippocratic Oath "swear by Apollo the Healer, by Asclepius, by Hygieia, by Panacea, and by all the gods and goddesses, making them my witnesses, that I will carry out, according to my ability and judgment, this oath and this indenture… etc". UK doctors agree to be bound by the core values and principles set by the General Medical Council (GMC), laid out as the duties of a doctor under the title "Good Medical Practice". And "First do no harm" doesn't appear in it or the original oath.

Anyway the point was that there can come a time when medical choices are made due to a medical system that can't cope with volume. It has ever been this. Patients are always prioritised.

14-09-2020 07:44AM

US2 wrote: »

You should move to China you'd like it there.

Your link was a private company launching a private service. Very communist that

stephenjmcd · 14-09-2020 07:45AM

smellyoldboot wrote: »

No we have 200 cases and 50 unverified from the day before carried over and then 210 cases and 55 from the day before carried over etc. It doesn't really make much difference does it?

Thats not what that poster is referring to. HPSC data plots cases by epidemiological date and there hasn't been more more than 200 assigned to any day for a few months now. Thats what they are referring to

Jim_Hodge · 14-09-2020 07:45AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Remember, those 255 cases ain't just in the past 24hr period.
Up to Friday, we haven't actually had more than 200 cases day recently (based on the Epidemiological date) Cases are growing, but not as much as you think. Seeing a jump from 102-307 in a day, it's not how the pandemic is going.

It makes no difference. It's 7 and 14 day numbers that matter and they are rising no matter what spin you put on it. The total number of cases doesn't change because some were in yesterday and others today.

stephenjmcd · 14-09-2020 07:47AM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

It makes no difference. It's 7 and 14 day numbers that matter and they are rising no matter what spin you put on it. The total number of cases doesn't change because some were in yesterday and others today.

I don't think their trying to spin it, yes numbers are rising. That poster though simply showing that when numbers of 200 odd and 300 odd are announced they're much more spread out than daily numbers suggest.

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