Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

Goldengirl · 13-09-2020 09:42PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I can't get my head around it, 20 people can be in your house and it's not a party, terrorism to even suggest this needs to be obeyed or else. They need to cool the jets a bit.

There's house party's and there's friends and family over, two completely different animals.
You've to treat people like adults and let them manage their own risk based on personal circumstances

Yes fine , no problem, have your family get together.

But then quarantine so you don't impose your risk management on everyone else , thanks .

drunkmonkey · 13-09-2020 09:43PM

DangerScouse wrote: »

there are plenty of idiots who have given in on masks

Improper use or disposal of masks may lead to secondary transmission. There also a killer for the environment.

Who in their right mind thinks it's a good idea to use a bacterial laced surface over the mouth and nose.

When you start wearing an antibacterial mask, you know one that might actually stop and kill covid come back to me.

cue, light bulb moment..:P

Roger_007 · 13-09-2020 09:45PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

THE HEALTH Service Executive (HSE) of Ireland has moved to distance itself from the claims of a senior doctor who suggested Covid-19 is “much less severe” than the annual flu.

Speaking in an article published by the Irish Times, Dr Martin Feeley who is a clinical director at the Dublin Midlands Hospital Group branded the current restrictions in place to combat the virus as “draconian”.

Dr Feeley instead argued that anyone who is at low risk from the virus should try and be exposed to it before winter arrives and the flu season begins.

He argued that by doing so, they would help develop a greater herd immunity across Ireland which would help reduce the risk to vulnerable groups.

What the good doctor suggests is what will inevitably happen anyway. Living life cannot be put on hold for an indefinite period of time. This virus is going to be with us forevermore. Are we still going to wearing masks and ‘socially distancing’ in 5 or 10 years time. Are young people in particular going to forego socialising, or making new friends or forming new relationships forever?
Young people are being criticised for what is natural and normal behaviour. They have to get on with their lives whether the rest of us like it or not.
As a society, we have become so risk-averse that we paralysing ourselves and cowering in fear from perceived risks and dangers.
We are all going to die eventually, so what is the point in being afraid to live our lives as fully as we can.
Life is short. Let us enjoy it while we can.

bodhrandude · 13-09-2020 09:46PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

As i said before the same people will stick to the rules and the same people simply wont . It doesn’t matter what colour the restriction are the same people will flaunt them

The people that don't stick to the rules, is it not a simple case of just shooting them or murdering them, their mates might listen a bit more then.

gmisk · 13-09-2020 09:46PM

US2 wrote: »

Just watching a football match being played in Paris. Lots of fans in the stadium. Great to see normality returning.

I think the max they allow are 5k so must be pretty small stadium

ChikiChiki · 13-09-2020 09:46PM

hmmm wrote: »

Israel left things get completely out of control. They did amazingly well back in March, then they just threw caution to the wind for some reason.

We can still avoid this.

Same as the Ozzies. Complacency doesn't work with Covid.

Goldengirl · 13-09-2020 09:46PM

DangerScouse wrote: »

Crazy approach. Seems they are banking on the virus being less lethal than before.

Like FF were banking on there being plenty of liquidity in the banks in 2008 ?

13-09-2020 09:48PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Yeah what are they on about!
We’ve had this 8 months now. So effectively one season. You are not immune to a cold or a flu. It varies season to season. They know that immunity with other corona viruses is not robust. Why would this one be any different? If that were the case everyone would have had a coronavirus cold exactly once in their life ( per virus )

I’d wait a year before I’d say you can’t get reinfected. Imagine going for herd immunity and all of the associated cost and morbidity only for a year to pass and the same thing occurs again? It would be pretty costly in a number of ways.

If immunity was to only last as certain amount of time, it is likely the impacts of a reinfection would be relatively minor as resistance would remain.

Reading up since yesterday on the Russian Flu which killed 1 million in the 1890’s. The latest thinking is that it was in fact a novel coronavirus, and the symptoms are strikingly similar to what we see with Covid-19. It is thought that this virus was HCoV OC43, one of the Coronavirus strains that cause a proportion of common colds. This is the future of Covid 19, either through vaccine or herd immunity

US2 · 13-09-2020 09:49PM

gmisk wrote: »

I think the max they allow are 5k so must be pretty small stadium

It's a massive stadium. It's on BT Sport 1 if you want a look. I just realised they have all the fans in one tier of one stand so it looks like a lot more

smellyoldboot · 13-09-2020 09:50PM

US2 wrote: »

Just watching a football match being played in Paris. Lots of fans in the stadium. Great to see normality returning.

The French are fast becoming the new UK. An example of exactly what not to do. The deaths just haven't caught up to the cases yet.

niallo27 · 13-09-2020 09:52PM

smellyoldboot wrote: »

The French are fast becoming the new UK. An example of exactly what not to do. The deaths just haven't caught up to the cases yet.

What exactly do you want to do if you mind me asking.

US2 · 13-09-2020 09:52PM

smellyoldboot wrote: »

The French are fast becoming the new UK. An example of exactly what not to do. The deaths just haven't caught up to the cases yet.

Germany are allowing fans too as far as I know.

stephenjmcd · 13-09-2020 09:53PM

US2 wrote: »

It's a massive stadium. It's on BT Sport 1 if you want a look. I just realised they have all the fans in one tier of one stand so it looks like a lot more

Pretty sure it's 30% of capacity if they get special dispensation from the local authority

screamer · 13-09-2020 09:53PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

What the good doctor suggests is what will inevitably happen anyway. Living life cannot be put on hold for an indefinite period of time. This virus is going to be with us forevermore. Are we still going to wearing masks and ‘socially distancing’ in 5 or 10 years time. Are young people in particular going to forego socialising, or making new friends or forming new relationships forever?
Young people are being criticised for what is natural and normal behaviour. They have to get on with their lives whether the rest of us like it or not.
As a society, we have become so risk-averse that we paralysing ourselves and cowering in fear from perceived risks and dangers.
We are all going to die eventually, so what is the point in being afraid to live our lives as fully as we can.
Life is short. Let us enjoy it while we can.

Agreed but for some of us covid is an accelerator to the end of the short life we have, and for those of us like that wearing masks and being risk averse will be second nature till a vaccine is available.
Self preservation trumps all else.

Goldengirl · 13-09-2020 09:54PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Improper use or disposal of masks may lead to secondary transmission. There also a killer for the environment.

Who in their right mind thinks it's a good idea to use a bacterial laced surface over the mouth and nose.

When you start wearing an antibacterial mask, you know one that might actually stop and kill covid come back to me.

cue, light bulb moment..:P

Light bulb is a bit dim, methinks

Covid 19 is a Virus , not bacterium .

DangerScouse · 13-09-2020 09:55PM

smellyoldboot wrote: »

The French are fast becoming the new UK. An example of exactly what not to do. The deaths just haven't caught up to the cases yet.

Yeap. Idiotic thing to do. The Tour de France going ahead was ridiculous also

stephenjmcd · 13-09-2020 09:55PM

US2 wrote: »

Germany are allowing fans too as far as I know.

Clubs have started applying for exceptions to the large gathering bans.

Eintracht Frankfurt announced a target of 6,500 spectators for their September 19th Bundesliga opener against Arminia Bielefeld while 1. FC Köln said it hoped to welcome 5,000 to 10,000 supporters in on the very same day.

Goldengirl · 13-09-2020 09:55PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

What the good doctor suggests is what will inevitably happen anyway. Living life cannot be put on hold for an indefinite period of time. This virus is going to be with us forevermore. Are we still going to wearing masks and ‘socially distancing’ in 5 or 10 years time. Are young people in particular going to forego socialising, or making new friends or forming new relationships forever?
Young people are being criticised for what is natural and normal behaviour. They have to get on with their lives whether the rest of us like it or not.
As a society, we have become so risk-averse that we paralysing ourselves and cowering in fear from perceived risks and dangers.
We are all going to die eventually, so what is the point in being afraid to live our lives as fully as we can.
Life is short. Let us enjoy it while we can.

Curious to know what age you are , but too polite to ask!

Goldengirl · 13-09-2020 10:00PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

This only means that the more you test, and more cases that are picked up , which is what is happening in recent weeks , the CFR inevitably goes down, as you are testing for and picking up asymptomatic cases.
CFR was high initially as only numbers based on symptomatic and those unwell. Asymptomatic were not thought to be infectious at that time . It is also at a different rate depending on what age group and how vulnerable you are . These are all factors that were only being guessed at in early months of the disease and with limited research .
IFR is a more accurate measurement, we now know , but unless countries are testing as many as possible , this is a meaningless statistic to compare different countries infection rate and response .
The only accurate way to compare is by studying different countries whose testing is at the same level per 100 000 head of population .
Of course level of healthcare and numbers of ICU / CC beds available will be an important metric determining overall outcomes.
It is not a good idea to be relying on these very basic assessments to form an opinion about how this disease is progressing.

@Malcolm Weak Sprout re your above post

s1ippy · 13-09-2020 10:01PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Improper use or disposal of masks may lead to secondary transmission. There also a killer for the environment.

Who in their right mind thinks it's a good idea to use a bacterial laced surface over the mouth and nose.

When you start wearing an antibacterial mask, you know one that might actually stop and kill covid come back to me.

cue, light bulb moment..:P

Bacteria aren't viruses.

13-09-2020 10:05PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If immunity was to only last as certain amount of time, it is likely the impacts of a reinfection would be relatively minor as resistance would remain.

This.

Immunity is much more complex than a simple yes or no.

13-09-2020 10:06PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Improper use or disposal of masks may lead to secondary transmission. There also a killer for the environment.

Who in their right mind thinks it's a good idea to use a bacterial laced surface over the mouth and nose.

When you start wearing an antibacterial mask, you know one that might actually stop and kill covid come back to me.

cue, light bulb moment..:P

You're pissing in the dark.

inthenip · 13-09-2020 10:07PM

Looks like the virus is here to stay for a long long time.

We won't know for another two months the effects on schools and people returning to the workplace by scumbag employers when people can easily do the job from home.

US2 · 13-09-2020 10:11PM

inthenip wrote: »

Looks like the virus is here to stay for a long long time.

We won't know for another two months the effects on schools and people returning to the workplace by scumbag employers when people can easily do the job from home.

It's gone from "in 2 weeks time" to 2 months..

kingshankly · 13-09-2020 10:15PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Isn't the numbers high again in France

Breaking all records unfortunately

speckle · 13-09-2020 10:17PM

Why are people so hung up on have either 3 or 5 levels to a plan, working with covid I think 7 levels would have been better, too quashed on 5 levels.

An another important point re restricting areas on case per 100,000, they dint factor in the amount of ICU beds a hospital may have in a county per 100,000, cork or Dublin may have more but not say Longford or Donegal or Kerry. Some of the county hospitals don't even have a respiratory specialist etc

And the covid plan is definitely biased to familys more than single people young, old and disabled living alone, or those that don't drive regarding visitors even from family let alone friends.

13-09-2020 10:20PM

speckle wrote: »

Why are people so hung up on have either 3 or 5 levels to a plan, working with covid I think 7 levels would have been better, too quashed on 5 levels.

An another important point re restricting areas on case per 100,000, they dint factor in the amount of ICU beds a hospital may have in a county per 100,000, cork or Dublin may have more but not say Longford or Donegal or Kerry. Some of the county hospitals don't even have a respiratory specialist etc

And the covid plan is definitely biased to familys more than single people young, old and disabled living alone, or those that don't drive regarding visitors even from family let alone friends.

Is your proposal that those requiring critical care from counties without icu capacity not be allowed go to the hospitals in their regions that have icu capacity? Dublin, Galway, Cork etc also serve surrounding areas

Away With The Fairies · 13-09-2020 10:25PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Improper use or disposal of masks may lead to secondary transmission. There also a killer for the environment.

Who in their right mind thinks it's a good idea to use a bacterial laced surface over the mouth and nose.

When you start wearing an antibacterial mask, you know one that might actually stop and kill covid come back to me.

cue, light bulb moment..:P

My masks aren't covered in bacteria because I don't wear the same mask all day, every day. I change mine throughout the day. At least you know that's it's horrible using a dirty mask and they need changing. So a big star for you.

If there was ever a thing as an anti bacterial mask, don't think it will work on covid. Because covid is a virus.

BobbyMalone · 13-09-2020 10:25PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Antibacterial will have no effect on it ...unless you gave an anti VIRAL agent on it .

Are you talking about a specific mask ?

Has the advice on antibacterial gel gone out the window? I thought it was advised to use it if you don't have access to soap & water?

GooglePlus · 13-09-2020 10:27PM

BobbyMalone wrote: »

Has the advice on antibacterial gel gone out the window? I thought it was advised to use it if you don't have access to soap & water?

Anti bacterial won't kill viruses but the soap will denature. Alcohol above 70% will denature the virus also.

Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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