How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

wirelessdude01 · 10-09-2020 04:53PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Strikes me as a bit nuts. Its one thing within in the same class group, but mixing class groups is definitely not adhering to the spirit of the guidelines at least

Absolutely stupidly reckless is what it is.

SusanC10 · 10-09-2020 05:05PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Strikes me as a bit nuts. Its one thing within in the same class group, but mixing class groups is definitely not adhering to the spirit of the guidelines at least

School have said that 2 classes are 1 bubble.
I am actually a bit shell-shocked tbh.

kilburn · 10-09-2020 05:06PM

SusanC10 wrote:

School have said that 2 classes are 1 bubble. I am actually a bit shell-shocked tbh.

That's just ridiculous one class is one bubble

lulublue22 · 10-09-2020 05:08PM

kilburn wrote: »

That's just ridiculous one class is one bubble

Could depend for breaks / yard and supervision and or SET

wirelessdude01 · 10-09-2020 05:09PM

SusanC10 wrote: »

School have said that 2 classes are 1 bubble.
I am actually a bit shell-shocked tbh.

Are you the poster who had been told this before they went back?

SusanC10 · 10-09-2020 05:12PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Are you the poster who had been told this before they went back?

Yes. I am not shocked by the 2 Class 1 bubble as the school said this but it was phrased in terms of the yard outside. I am shocked by the "choir practice" today.

Icyseanfitz · 10-09-2020 05:13PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Strikes me as a bit nuts. Its one thing within in the same class group, but mixing class groups is definitely not adhering to the spirit of the guidelines at least

absolute madness, on the topic of mixing class groups, in post primary separate groups (pods or whatever they call them) is a complete illusion. classes have base rooms, but all intermingle between classes and on break/lunch etc.

On top of that SNAs (which i am) move from class to class and have received no guidance on how to do our job safely without destroying the whole point of pods. I work with a different class group every hour (6 classes a day), and am no where near a meter apart from kids. Its all optics and a huge farce.

mirrorwall14 · 10-09-2020 05:38PM

But aren’t they supposed to be 1m apart from third class up? No way I could fit 60 first years in any room in our building and they wouldn’t be much bigger than fifth class students. What’s size are the classrooms?

Bobtheman · 10-09-2020 05:55PM

Are teenagers less likely to give it to adults ?

caveat emptor · 10-09-2020 06:17PM

Regarding choir practice, clearly a teacher lacking an education. Famous quote springs to mind

Education is what remains after one has forgotten what one has learned in school.

The original quote was

“It is not so very important for a person to learn facts. For that he does not really need a college. He can learn them from books. The value of an education in a liberal arts college is not the learning of many facts, but the training of the mind to think something that cannot be learned from textbooks.”

Pandemic presenting lots of opportunities to get stuff wrong. Getting things wrong is ok but I'd behaving a chat with the principal to understand if the grasp the basics of what's going on.

caveat emptor · 10-09-2020 06:29PM

More on hamburg school outbreak. Due to the incubation period and lag on testing / tracing coupled with the wait and see attitude it takes time for it to bounce around. Asymptomatic spread probably means it spreads undetected for some time.

https://translate.google.ie/translate?hl=&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rtl.de%2Fcms%2Fschon-29-infizierte-erste-ansteckungen-in-hamburg-innerhalb-der-schule-4611106.html

Tests bring initial results
The fears of teachers, parents and students seem to be coming true: At the Heinrich Hertz School in Hamburg-Winterhude, the number of infections is increasing. There are now 29 students and employees who have tested positive at the school - and for the first time in Hamburg, those affected are said to have been infected in the school and not outside.

Mask requirement now also in class
After 15 classes were quarantined as a precaution last Friday, after two corona cases became known at the school, a mass test for the corona virus was carried out at the school. The first results show that the situation is worse than feared. 29 people have already been proven to be infected and not all tests have been evaluated yet. For all students who are not yet affected by the outbreak, a mask requirement is now also required in class for one week. World had previously reported.

Participation in class despite symptoms?
According to Welt, several students in their families at home are said to have contracted the virus independently and then carried the virus to school. Some children are also said to have continued to school despite clear symptoms.

Since the end of the summer vacation in Hamburg, with the exception of the Heinrich Hertz School, 108 students and nine school employees have been infected with the corona virus. The Hamburg company KLT Health reacted to the numbers a few days ago and is offering all schools free corona tests.

caveat emptor · 10-09-2020 06:56PM

Sorry to be posting but it's important. Here's info on Denmark major school outbreak.

https://translate.google.ie/translate?hl=&sl=da&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fnyheder.tv2.dk%2Flokalt%2F2020-09-09-smittetal-paa-friskole-firdoblet-paa-et-doegn-kommune-holder-krisemoede-om

Infection rates at independent schools quadrupled in one day - municipality holds crisis meeting on development

Sep 9 2020, 17:56
At Lille Egede Friskole, 18 students and seven employees have so far tested positive. Katja Højbjerg

In collaboration with TV2 ØST
by Ida Laursen Brock
Lille Egede Friskole in Boeslunde has gone from six to 25 infected in less than a day. All students and staff must be tested.
An outbreak with corona infection at Lille Egede Friskole in Boeslunde between Skælskør and Korsør is spreading rapidly at the moment.
On Tuesday morning, three students and three teachers were found infected, but on Wednesday morning the number has quadrupled. 18 students and seven employees have now been tested positive for covid-19, school principal Lars Jacobsen tells TV 2 ØST.

- It is not going so well, one must say. It has gone strong, because it is within quite a few days where the infection has jumped between several, we can see. The person who brought it in has not had contact with the last ones who are infected. It has probably gone strong, he says.
Lars Jacobsen is the school leader at Lille Egede Friskole.

He emphasizes that the school is in close contact with the health authorities and follows their recommendations.
Lars Jacobsen is the headmaster at Lille Egede Friskole. He emphasizes that the school is in close contact with the health authorities and follows their recommendations. Photo:

Teacher tested positive last week
It is probably a teacher who is the source of the outbreak at school. Last weekend he was at a confirmation party in Copenhagen, and on Tuesday last week during a staff meeting he got the first sign of covid-19 in the form of fatigue. When he came home from school the same day, he got a headache, and therefore he reported sick and had a coronation test taken - which turned out to be positive.
On Sunday, the school management decided to send the students home with whom the teacher had had contact - 1st, 2nd, and 6th grade - and on Monday, the rest of the students and all staff were also sent home.

That is why it is also behind Lars Jacobsen that the infection has spread to so many people.
- I think we have followed all the guidelines that have been in the field, so I have to say that it is wild that it can spread so much so fast. We know for sure that we first got it into the house last week and then shut down as early as Monday. And yet so many are infected, he says.
The most important thing for me is to constantly support myself on what the authorities advise us to do
Lars Jacobsen, headmaster, Lille Egede Friskole
The school management is in close contact with the school's parents, who Lars Jacobsen informs several times a day about the development of the outbreak. And no students or staff can return to school without a negative coronate test.

- I have asked everyone to have their children tested. All from 0.-9. class must be tested and of course all employees, because then we get the opportunity to start fresh, he says.

Municipality holds crisis meeting

10-09-2020 07:32PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

It's a nonsense that hysterical parents are putting thier kids through a Covid test just because of a snuffly nose or a cough.

I certainly won't be.

If kids meet the medical criteria for testing I hope their parents sort out a test for them. They can't do it for themselves.

The test is really straightforward and not something they should be made to worry about. Making it seem like an ordeal would be very irresponsible, at the least.

If kids who meet criteria for testing arn't taken out of school pending the all clear, I hope their school doesn't permit them to attend until their parents cop on and sort it put.

Blondini · 10-09-2020 08:57PM

s1ippy wrote: »

Funerals?

Too soon. (I hope)

limnam · 10-09-2020 10:47PM

kilburn wrote: »

That's just ridiculous one class is one bubble

I thought each pod was a bubble

CruelSummer · 10-09-2020 11:27PM

I heard on Facebook that one teacher is getting the children to enjoy singing & dancing in the classroom. Of course, we the parents wrote a strongly worded e-mail stating under no circumstances should the children think everything is ok. They need to keep school as ‘new normal’ as possible so us, the morally self righteous parents, who’ve taken over this thread & even set up a Facebook group, can judge, complain and generally think we can teach the class from the sidelines with zero qualifications. It also seems ok for us to breach GDPR regulations and patient - doctor confidentiality agreements, all in the name of fanning the flames and achieving nothing.
Not to mention numerous posts here similar to another poster who used to post on the main Covid thread trying to dig out ‘information’ from other countries that’s ‘so important’ for ‘concerned’ parents to use...

caveat emptor · 10-09-2020 11:43PM

That’s a dig at me I take it. Make no mistake I don’t care what you think. I don’t think most people do.

I care what’s is happening. As for ‘digging out’ information, we were told Denmark and Germany have opened with no issues.
We were told that transmission between children in a school setting is unlikely.

There are major issues with transparency around what’s happening in schools. As a parent I believe we have a right to be aware of a potentially deadly disease circulating in our children’s schools and classrooms so that We can make informed decisions with their best interest at heart.

We manage risk everyday, we are quite good at it. We cross the road everyday but we look left and right before crossing the road. We manage the risk this way. We can’t make informed decisions when the information is being suppressed due to ‘privacy’. More likely the suppression is design to prevent accountability of politicians if schools were opened in an unsafe manner. People share households with vulnerable people. Should they just accept their fate and take one for the team.

PCros · 11-09-2020 11:03AM

SusanC10 wrote: »

Yes. I am not shocked by the 2 Class 1 bubble as the school said this but it was phrased in terms of the yard outside. I am shocked by the "choir practice" today.

Did you manage to speak to someone yet about the choir? I mentioned it this morning in my kids school when they were collected at their line and the teacher said they go outside or would use the school hall.

Just noticed out of the 52 schools which have had a case, 40 of them are in the Greater Dublin area with the remaining elsewhere in the country.

8 of the affected classes are back now.

Question for teachers: How do you feel now that you are back two weeks compared to say a month ago? Better or worse or as expected?

Jaded Walker · 11-09-2020 12:25PM

All my great memories from my childhood years are from the summer holidays.

I hear parents going on about how down their kids were because of no school. I say you need to look at your parenting skills if that's the case. My kids are still not back at school and they are very happy.

PCros · 11-09-2020 12:40PM

Jaded Walker wrote: »

All my great memories from my childhood years are from the summer holidays.

I hear parents going on about how down their kids were because of no school. I say you need to look at your parenting skills if that's the case. My kids are still not back at school and they are very happy.

In fairness the last 6 months were nothing compared to normal summer holidays. Most of that time was under restrictions so there was not as much to do for the children.

It was only at the back end of the summer that we got to go places and travel.

blanch152 · 11-09-2020 12:40PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

That’s a dig at me I take it. Make no mistake I don’t care what you think. I don’t think most people do.

I care what’s is happening. As for ‘digging out’ information, we were told Denmark and Germany have opened with no issues.
We were told that transmission between children in a school setting is unlikely.

There are major issues with transparency around what’s happening in schools. As a parent I believe we have a right to be aware of a potentially deadly disease circulating in our children’s schools and classrooms so that We can make informed decisions with their best interest at heart.

We manage risk everyday, we are quite good at it. We cross the road everyday but we look left and right before crossing the road. We manage the risk this way. We can’t make informed decisions when the information is being suppressed due to ‘privacy’. More likely the suppression is design to prevent accountability of politicians if schools were opened in an unsafe manner. People share households with vulnerable people. Should they just accept their fate and take one for the team.

I think it was said yesterday by the experts that 54 schools have had cases - but that not a single one of them resulted in transmission in the school or orginated in the school.

In order to balance risk, if you as an adult have children in a school, you need to reduce your own social contacts. Too many parents refuse to do that, needlessly exposing their children to extra risk. The acceptable risk is children going to school for vital education, the unacceptable risk is their parents socialising.

average_runner · 11-09-2020 12:49PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

That’s a dig at me I take it. Make no mistake I don’t care what you think. I don’t think most people do.

I care what’s is happening. As for ‘digging out’ information, we were told Denmark and Germany have opened with no issues.
We were told that transmission between children in a school setting is unlikely.

There are major issues with transparency around what’s happening in schools. As a parent I believe we have a right to be aware of a potentially deadly disease circulating in our children’s schools and classrooms so that We can make informed decisions with their best interest at heart.

We manage risk everyday, we are quite good at it. We cross the road everyday but we look left and right before crossing the road. We manage the risk this way. We can’t make informed decisions when the information is being suppressed due to ‘privacy’. More likely the suppression is design to prevent accountability of politicians if schools were opened in an unsafe manner. People share households with vulnerable people. Should they just accept their fate and take one for the team.

Our school providing full transparency on any cases. One case Monday Evening, whole class knew within an hour and school sent a email to all parents who had kids in the school by 8pm that night explaining the situation and the class.

We then got another email the next fully explaining what is happening and a follow up yesterday. He also said if you don't get an email before Monday, then no new cases in that class or the school.

Principal is on the gate every morning welcoming people and talking to them about any questions.

They have signs up showing the way in and ask for parents to wear masks if you enter the school yard.

You still get the stupid ones that don't listen and enter the school the wrong way etc. These are the selfish people

iamwhoiam · 11-09-2020 12:50PM

Jaded Walker wrote: »

All my great memories from my childhood years are from the summer holidays.

I hear parents going on about how down their kids were because of no school. I say you need to look at your parenting skills if that's the case. My kids are still not back at school and they are very happy.

Here in Dublin it was nothing like summer holidays for many . Kids in apartments all day , kids at home with two parents working from home . No playground , parks only with 2 kgs so many had no parks nearby . Just because your kids were not struggling doesn’t mean many were not
My own daughter had a young baby , a senior infant child , both parents working at the kitchen table 9-5
I tried to help by reading to her on Skype but many a time she cried because she missed her granda , missed her friends and missed playing with other children
So don’t presume please that because a child was lonely that it was down to poor parenting

deliege · 11-09-2020 01:09PM

JDD wrote: »

...
I'd love to know how many of this "clusters from private homes" are just people within the same house infecting each other, and how many are proper clusters, meaning there was a gathering in the house and the infection spread to another household.

https://twitter.com/DrZoeHyde/status/1304381594820517888

Might be of interest, JDD

Jaded Walker · 11-09-2020 01:55PM

blanch152 wrote: »

I think it was said yesterday by the experts that 54 schools have had cases - but that not a single one of them resulted in transmission in the school or orginated in the school.

In order to balance risk, if you as an adult have children in a school, you need to reduce your own social contacts. Too many parents refuse to do that, needlessly exposing their children to extra risk. The acceptable risk is children going to school for vital education, the unacceptable risk is their parents socialising.

If kids get sent home due to a case in the class and then show symptoms and their own doctor puts them down for a test and they come up positive, is this counted as school.transmission or does it go down as a home case?
I'm very skeptical of this lack of transmission in schools.
The majority of kids will be asymptomatic and then those who do suffer may not be included in the school numbers if they get tested from home.

average_runner · 11-09-2020 02:00PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Here in Dublin it was nothing like summer holidays for many . Kids in apartments all day , kids at home with two parents working from home . No playground , parks only with 2 kgs so many had no parks nearby . Just because your kids were not struggling doesn’t mean many were not
My own daughter had a young baby , a senior infant child , both parents working at the kitchen table 9-5
I tried to help by reading to her on Skype but many a time she cried because she missed her granda , missed her friends and missed playing with other children
So don’t presume please that because a child was lonely that it was down to poor parenting

We live in Dublin the kids had a great time. We live in cul de sac so they were out playing everyday on the road. Kids think it was the best summer ever as got to play with their friends all day. Playgrounds opened in June i thought, but i could be wrong

All the parents bought various game outdoor stuff for the kids. Did 2 gaa camps also. Went camping every 2nd weekend.

Only thing they missed was their holdiay in France, summer camp and Nana's house.

2 of us working from home, but we enjoy working from home.

11-09-2020 02:03PM

blanch152 wrote: »

I think it was said yesterday by the experts that 54 schools have had cases - but that not a single one of them resulted in transmission in the school or orginated in the school.

In order to balance risk, if you as an adult have children in a school, you need to reduce your own social contacts. Too many parents refuse to do that, needlessly exposing their children to extra risk. The acceptable risk is children going to school for vital education, the unacceptable risk is their parents socialising.[/QUOTE

Which is exactly why the wet pubs should be holding off.

iamwhoiam · 11-09-2020 02:03PM

average_runner wrote: »

We live in Dublin the kids had a great time. We live in cul de sac so they were out playing everyday on the road. Kids think it was the best summer ever as got to play with their friends all day. Playgrounds opened in June i thought, but i could be wrong

All the parents bought various game outdoor stuff for the kids. Did 2 gaa camps also. Went camping every 2nd weekend.

Only thing they missed was their holdiay in France, summer camp and Nana's house.

2 of us working from home, but we enjoy working from home.

Good for you . My point was not everyone could . And actually during lockdown kids were not supposed to be playing with each other all through March and April and into May ? I was talking about deep lockdown when children were not outside playing or in gaa camps etc
Once lockdown lifted the kids were taken to parks , beaches and lakes and enjoyed a good time . But during lockdown many children suffered and many children faced abuse and neglect .

blanch152 · 11-09-2020 02:12PM

Jaded Walker wrote: »

If kids get sent home due to a case in the class and then show symptoms and their own doctor puts them down for a test and they come up positive, is this counted as school.transmission or does it go down as a home case?
I'm very skeptical of this lack of transmission in schools.
The majority of kids will be asymptomatic and then those who do suffer may not be included in the school numbers if they get tested from home.

That depends.

IF that happens, the others kids in the classroom who are close contacts will be tested. If the child got it from them, then it will be classed as school transmission. The family will also be tested, and if they are positive, then it was transmission in the home.

From what NPHET is saying, it is transmission in the home that is the problem.

JDD · 11-09-2020 02:27PM

Jaded Walker wrote: »

All my great memories from my childhood years are from the summer holidays.

I hear parents going on about how down their kids were because of no school. I say you need to look at your parenting skills if that's the case. My kids are still not back at school and they are very happy.

Did you have a stay at home mother by any chance?

We live in Dublin the kids had a great time. We live in cul de sac so they were out playing everyday on the road. Kids think it was the best summer ever as got to play with their friends all day. Playgrounds opened in June i thought, but i could be wrong

All the parents bought various game outdoor stuff for the kids. Did 2 gaa camps also. Went camping every 2nd weekend.

Only thing they missed was their holdiay in France, summer camp and Nana's house.

2 of us working from home, but we enjoy working from home.

My kids were too young to be out playing without adult supervision. The 8 year old is probably old enough, but isn't old enough to look after a 5 year old as well. Another couple of years and they probably would have had a better time.

How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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