Tell us about your new improved government regulations compliant cycle part II

lawrencesummers · 07-09-2020 08:24AM

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

As has been said, he does. He used the tractor/trailer in lieu of having another person. If the other person was there, you'd be obliged to stop regardless so I'm not really sure what the difficulty is.

My mother in-law puts two visible electric cables across a public road when bringing the cows across for milking twice daily.

I would hazard a guess that electrifying a public road isn’t safe, legal or necessary, and having done something for a certain period of time doesn’t make it ok. Hopefully nobody with a eye sight issues goes for a walk there.

Also if your blocking a road isn’t a warning some bit down the road necessary? Maybe somebody knows more about the rules of the road than I do, but intentionally blocking a road with no warning signs would seem illegal to me.

Wishbone Ash · 07-09-2020 09:41AM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

I would hazard a guess that electrifying a public road isn’t safe, legal or necessary, and having done something for a certain period of time doesn’t make it ok. Hopefully nobody with a eye sight issues goes for a walk there.

Agri electric fence cables - not standard electric current. The cables have strips dangling from them to indicate their presence.

lawrencesummers wrote:

..Also if your blocking a road isn’t a warning some bit down the road necessary? Maybe somebody knows more about the rules of the road than I do, but intentionally blocking a road with no warning signs would seem illegal to me.

Yes, there is a warning sign further along on each side indicating that livestock are crossing.

dinneenp · 07-09-2020 10:01AM

What I like about Strava (or any similar app that shows live stats for cycling)- you intend to go for a leisurely spin, watching your stats/speed & end up pushing yourself.

Went for a spin from home, aimed for a communication mast on top of a hill nearby. Have to time cycles as it was getting dark when I got back.

https://www.strava.com/activities/4022600437

Seth Brundle · 07-09-2020 10:05AM

^ link not working

dinneenp · 07-09-2020 10:36AM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

^ link not working

Cheers, fixed it.

lawrencesummers · 07-09-2020 10:39AM

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Agri electric fence cables - not standard electric current. The cables have strips dangling from them to indicate their presence.

Yes, there is a warning sign further along on each side indicating that livestock are crossing.

I wouldn’t have any confidence of coming out the right side of a liability issue agri cables or not, but that’s for them to consider I guess.

That said users of country roads should have awareness that agriculture is in use, as well as other hazards like animals and poor surfaces and adjust their speed accordingly.

magicbastarder · 07-09-2020 11:11AM

i've helped herd sheep and cattle a couple of times while out on the bike. including finding two calves loose on the road at one point, and having to herd them back to the farm (thankfully, i got them back to the correct one).

lawrencesummers · 07-09-2020 11:26AM

magicbastarder wrote: »

i've helped herd sheep and cattle a couple of times while out on the bike. including finding two calves loose on the road at one point, and having to herd them back to the farm (thankfully, i got them back to the correct one).

No farmer will tell you that your at the wrong farm if you bring him a few calves!

Dcully · 07-09-2020 11:52AM

Well if you want to get technical while he may be allowed to block roads to herd cattle he is obliged to display warning signs on twisty roads that the tractor is not clearly visible to incoming traffic.

He is also obliged to ensure atleast one other person should be on standby to warn other road users.

Since this spot is used regularly as a crossing point he is obliged to have a permanent sign in place and also to put up a temporary warning sign to warn other road users of mud or dung from the animals.

This guy had no warnings anywhere and was blocking the road on a very twisty section especially from the other side with a huge tractor and trailer.

He is also liable for any injury or damage arising from his blocking the road.

The net result is this particular guy was breaking the law, dress it up how you like he was in the wrong here.

Wishbone Ash · 07-09-2020 12:42PM

Dcully wrote: »

..... he is obliged... .

....He is also obliged...

.... he is obliged to....

.....He is also liable....

....this particular guy was breaking the law..

.

There's only one person dressing things up here. Perhaps you could provide some further information.

Dcully · 07-09-2020 01:00PM

What other info do you want?
Exactly how am i dressing it up?
No warnings whatsoever = illegal.

Then again you seem to think electric cables on a public road is accceptable so maybe anything goes for you in farmland :pac:

We are going OT here

Large bottle small glass · 07-09-2020 01:32PM

Dcully wrote: »

What other info do you want?
Exactly how am i dressing it up?
No warnings whatsoever = illegal.

Then again you seem to think electric cables on a public road is accceptable so maybe anything goes for you in farmland :pac:

We are going OT here

If a driver has trouble seeing a 100hp tractor a sign isn't going to do much.

The sense of entitlement that the road ahead should not be obtructed by tractors is the exact same as the driver whining about cyclists.

If she wants to transport her children as safely as possible, the most effective measures are the one she has control over; i.e. her speed, concentration, skill level, car condition.

If cows are crossing regular the stream of cow sh1te on road is typically more manifest than your regular sign.

I did cycle into a narrow cord electric fence once, I was trepassing on a real boithrin though. Had a 30km cycle home with a wound that needed a few stitches. There was blood on the bike for a whileðŸ˜€

Dcully · 07-09-2020 01:51PM

If a driver has trouble seeing a 100hp tractor a sign isn't going to do much

True but the sign/warnings is the law plus as ive said the road on the other side of the tractor there is a tight bend, i approached with a clear view but the other side its a totally different story ie where the lady driving came from.

There was nothing the far side to warn her either because a few minutes later she was surrounded by the livestock.

If she wants to transport her children as safely as possible, the most effective measures are the one she has control over; i.e. her speed, concentration, skill level, car condition.

I wasnt in the car but could hear it coming for a while and she was driving to the conditions, when i said normal i mean a safe speed for the tight and twisty road, nobody in their right mind would be anywhere near normal speed on this road.
Put it this way i know this road very well as im local, i would not bring my road bike down it, i was on a MTB.

Wishbone Ash · 07-09-2020 04:13PM

Dcully wrote: »

..Exactly how am i dressing it up?...

Because you are claiming that warning signs are required for a vehicle which is not moving on a narrow road. A non-moving vehicle is a lot less dangerous than a moving vehicle. If you expect warning signs to be erected for non-moving vehicles, what on earth do you expect for moving vehicles? An advance flagman?

If the motorist in the car had to brake harshly when encountering a stopped vehicle, how would she have managed if she had encountered the tractor coming towards her?

brownian · 07-09-2020 05:14PM

Much and all as I wish I had a horror story about cattle to tell, I'm reduced to a dully recitation of how my bike ride was....

Stayed at Lough Inagh (great hotel) Friday, did the Tour de Conn 80k route with Mrs Brownian on the Saturday. Lovely as always. No rain to speak of; tailwind most of the way, a few new roadworks between Letterfrack and Clifden. Says a lot about that particular route that the 'main climbs' (two climbs between L-Frack and Clifden) add up to 160m of ascent.

Sunday short spin up from Lough Inagh to the Stop and Pray Church, left down Lough Fee and Lough Muck (beautiful - one of the nicest roads in Connemara, IMHO), left along Lettergesh and into Tully Cross (more beauty - what a view of the sea), then bumpy stuff into Letterfrack, and (ho hum) the same couple of rises into Clifden. Quick coffee at the petrol station (met a few lads from Moycullen - some pretty bikes!), then the bog road to Toombeola, instead of the coast road. That bog road is just stupendous - no cars, decent surface, almost flat, and great views of the Bens and Turks. Tailwind all the way. Ducked down into Roundtone, crepe and home made ice cream at the open air market. Met the boss, went for a walk on the tombolo between Gurteen Bay and Dog's Bay, and hit the high road for Dublin.

Gotta love Connemara for great scenery without (serious, mandatory) hills.

Dcully · 07-09-2020 05:23PM

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Because you are claiming that warning signs are required for a vehicle which is not moving on a narrow road. A non-moving vehicle is a lot less dangerous than a moving vehicle. If you expect warning signs to be erected for non-moving vehicles, what on earth do you expect for moving vehicles? An advance flagman?

If the motorist in the car had to brake harshly when encountering a stopped vehicle, how would she have managed if she had encountered the tractor coming towards her?

What a load of nitpicking.
Your beef [pardon the pun] is hilarious.
Im only relaying the law i didnt make the rules.

The signs are for animals ,road blocking,muck and dung,its not just a case of "stopped vehicle" as you put it.
Your just nitpicking for sake of argument.

Here read for yourself, if this is not the case then i stand corrected.

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/what-are-the-rules-of-the-road-when-moving-cattle/

If you knew this road and where this tractor is across the road in relation to the bend just before it you would agree its dangerous, next time ill record both sides for you

again i fail to se your issue with this.

Seth Brundle · 09-09-2020 12:19PM

Took a spin around Kilcock & Summerhill earlier. Felt myself knackered within minutes of leaving the house. My left calf muscle was throwing the occasional twinge but I persevered.

I've lost count on the number of stupid overtakes, generally when the cars were travelling at speed.
Large rigid body truck attempts an overtake on the L6228 approaching the roundabout on the R158 (Kilcock-Summerhill Rd). I was able to see an oncoming truck stopping and blocking the road ahead. The overtaking truck only pulled in behind me a few metres ahead of the stopped truck. Completely forseeable and pointless.
I have the videos on file now but I just can't motivate myself to reporting them.

What made my day though was a fella in a Toyota Landcruiser pulling a trailer on the Summehill-Dunboyne road along a stretch with some bends. I heard him approach but kept my line. He pulled over to overtake and then after a few seconds decided against it. He kept back maybe 50m and eventually when a straight stretch opened he attempted the move again. As he passed, he shouted out the passenger window "Sorry about that" and gave a bit of a wave. Unexpected and courteous.

Treated myself to a lovely coffee from Sineads in Leixlip afterwards.

https://www.strava.com/activities/4033946716

Mercian Pro · 09-09-2020 03:29PM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Treated myself to a lovely coffee from Sineads in Leixlip afterwards.

On club spins we rarely stop in Leixlip so it's good to know there is somewhere doing good coffee there. Elsewhere, we are increasingly stopping at Spars and Centras at filling stations and I'm getting very tired of average coffees and fat saturated muffins. I know getting out at all on a group spin at present is a blessing but I really miss "proper" coffee stops.

Seth Brundle · 09-09-2020 03:53PM

Mercian Pro wrote: »

On club spins we rarely stop in Leixlip so it's good to know there is somewhere doing good coffee there. Elsewhere, we are increasingly stopping at Spars and Centras at filling stations and I'm getting very tired of average coffees and fat saturated muffins. I know getting out at all on a group spin at present is a blessing but I really miss "proper" coffee stops.

No seating currently but IMO it's the best coffee in Leixlip (there are 3 cafe's now). You can easily head down to the Spar car park by the Liffey for a rest.

wheelo01 · 09-09-2020 10:59PM

Packed up all my gear for a trip to Wexford last Friday - had consulted with Secman about the viability of some routes, decided to have a few drinks "to start the holiday ", slipped on the way to bed, have been in agony since (bruised ribs, broken oven door) - sat sulking for the 5 days we were away that I couldn't get out on the bike (and i swear it sniggered at me every time I passed it) - net result?
Wasted week cycling wise, but such a feckin break from the drudgery of working all the way through this crisis.

secman · 09-09-2020 11:15PM

Sorry to hear about your mishap .

brownian · 11-09-2020 09:27PM

Took a day off yesterday - next week is going to be manic in work, and this week was tranquil, so... Also, weather was fair.

Deansgrange - Greystones - Ashford - Glenealy (nice back road) - Rathdrum - Ballinaclash - Aughrim - Carnew (getting into the wilds now) - Camolin - Gorey - Arklow - old N11 - Rathnew - Coast Road - Bray - home. The last drag up Bray Head to Windgates was, as always, too trafficcy and too narrow. I usually take the back road by the back of little Sugarloaf, but was getting a bit tired, and took the shorter, uglier way.

The aim was to knock out my first solo 200. 201km, 2100m, average 25/26kmph. 8 hours, pretty much.

To be fair, just cycling to get the miles in does remove some of the incidental pleasure in the landscape, the sense of 'out there' and the joy of movement. There are deffo better roads to ride through Wicklow, and I know many of them. The fear of exhaustion is a compelling (albeit not always valid) reason to cop out, and take the easier and less scenic routes. That said - I was happy enough to get the distance in, and will enjoy more scenic spins at the weekend.

bilbot79 · 12-09-2020 08:24PM

Nice ride out to Howth today. Put the boot down looking for some PBs. Happy to have got into the top 10 for a few segments

Getting fitter and stronger.

Was intending to speed into Howth but unfortunately a Garda car in front kept me paced

Dying to head out to the Wicklow but have this weird fear that I'll end up on a road I'm not supposed to be on or something. How do people know what roads are ok to take?

Wishbone Ash · 12-09-2020 08:59PM

bilbot79 wrote: »

.....Dying to head out to the Wicklow but have this weird fear that I'll end up on a road I'm not supposed to be on or something. How do people know what roads are ok to take?

It's Wicklow - not Afganistan.

What exactly do you mean by ending up on a road you're not supposed to be on?

bilbot79 · 12-09-2020 09:45PM

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

It's Wicklow - not Afganistan.

What exactly do you mean by ending up on a road you're not supposed to be on?

I know it's a bit silly but is it normal to be out on the hard shoulder of busy roads like the N11?

magicbastarder · 12-09-2020 09:51PM

plenty of ways to get to wicklow without using the N11!

which segments did you get in the top ten of around howth? given how popular it is around there, that's not something you just drop into conversation without more detail...

bilbot79 · 12-09-2020 09:58PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

plenty of ways to get to wicklow without using the N11!

which segments did you get in the top ten of around howth? given how popular it is around there, that's not something you just drop into conversation without more detail...

Lol. I failed to mention 'today' only for the segments

I'm nowhere near an actual trophy and probably never will be!

How do you usually plan your trips to Wicklow do you tend to deliberately avoid certain roads?

triggermortis · 12-09-2020 10:12PM

Had an hour so took off round my local area. Had a strange creak from the crank area. Unlipped left foot, still the same. Unclipped right foot, creak gone. Got out of the saddle, creak barely there, but still there at times.
Got home and had a closer look... right had crank is bolloxed. Cover plate is coming away from the outer ring. Took the rings off and the crank flexes WAY too much. Aparrently this is a known problem with 6800 Ultegra cranks..
Bike is now unrideable

magicbastarder · 12-09-2020 10:24PM

i'm on the northside and the (few!) trips i make tend to cross the liffey on the N1 - the father mathew bridge at the bottom of church street - and head out through terenure so i'd be hitting the hills at edmondstown or stocking lane.

magicbastarder · 12-09-2020 10:25PM

triggermortis wrote: »

Got home and had a closer look... right had crank is bolloxed. Cover plate is coming away from the outer ring. Took the rings off and the crank flexes WAY too much. Aparrently this is a known problem with 6800 Ultegra cranks..
Bike is now unrideable

happened a colleague recently, IIRC. same issue.

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