Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

Stark · 09-09-2020 01:21PM

douglashyde wrote: »

As I've heard it put: It's a casedemaic not a pandemic.

Generally by retards.

Heroditas · 09-09-2020 01:25PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Many have wondered why the death rate seems to be falling recently. Could it be that a certain herd immunity is starting?

An infected person will expel millions of virus particles, if no one is nearby these in the main will die from heat, drying out, UV etc etc. These dead or severely weakened particles will have spread everywhere by now and may slowly inoculate many of the nearby population? Mainly cities.

It's more because the vulnerable segments of society are still taking precautionary measures I reckon

wadacrack · 09-09-2020 01:25PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Many have wondered why the death rate seems to be falling recently. Could it be that a certain herd immunity is starting?

An infected person will expel millions of virus particles, if no one is nearby these in the main will die from heat, drying out, UV etc etc. These dead or severely weakened particles will have spread everywhere by now and may slowly inoculate many of the nearby population? Mainly cities.

Mainly just an unfounded theory, cases and hospitalizations spiking again in Madrid. One of the hardest hit cities in March. In prisons in USA transmission as stayed increasing upto 60-70% & within that prison population. T cell immunity in the population was being overestimated for a while.

douglashyde · 09-09-2020 01:27PM

Stark wrote: »

Generally by retards.

How so? I find those who fail to look at the data & facts to be mentally slow/lacking.

Stark · 09-09-2020 01:29PM

douglashyde wrote: »

how so?

It was coined by the anti-mask/anti-vaccine crowd who use it to try and drown out any more balanced debate on social media.

drunkmonkey · 09-09-2020 01:30PM

Sconsey wrote: »

Thats all just misdirection not an answer...how is a mask stopping you getting on with things?

I f'n hate them to put it mildly. It's warping society with no clearly defined benefit. If it was a temporary thing with a clearly defined goal fair enough, this is for life as it stands and enforced by threat of incarceration when science says they may even increaces problems due to incorrect use.
How long are you prepared to put on one and have your children forced to live their lives with one?

I always use my morning coffee as an example, was getting it this morning and standing 3/4 meters waiting my turn, chap with a mask at the machine, touched the front of his mask before touching the button for coffee. Then told me to come over I said it's fine just keeping with the distancing thing as I hate masks, he insisted I come over had to tell him no I'll wait. I've multiple daily antidotes of numb nuts mask wearers complete missing the point.

What's stopping you respecting my decision to keep my distance? Why is that so wrong you think I should be jailed.

Jim_Hodge · 09-09-2020 01:30PM

douglashyde wrote: »

How so? I find those who fail to look at the data & facts to be mentally slow/lacking.

That has nothing to do with the absurd term 'casedemic'. It's a nonsense word used by people who want to play down the seriousness of a global pandemic.

Non solum non ambulabit · 09-09-2020 01:30PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Not true really. It is an exteme risk to the over 70 group.
1 in every 175 peple in Bergamo died in March and April this year, as we can see from Italian death stats almost all deaths in the country were over 60. So that is actually a ridiculously large proportion of the elderly population of the city that perished in a very short time

About 30% of Bergamo's population is over 60, about 330,000 people. 0.56% of the city population died - about 6100 deaths.
95% of Italian COVID deaths are over 60.

Which means of the 330,000 seniors in Bergamo province, 5800 died. Almost 1 in every 50 older citizens.

Maybe I wasn't clear. Extremely painful cancer, strokes, long drawn out Alzheimer's for example are more worse ways to die than Covid.

Heart disease is much more efficient killer than Covid.

In number terms over 90% of old people have died from non Covid issues in the last 6 months

lolokeogh · 09-09-2020 01:32PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yesterday I contacted my GP surgery informing them I had developed an sharp exacerbation of a chronic sinus-asthma problem and am not feeling good, with cough etc, and thought it might be wise to have a Covid test. I have quite a medical history with heart issues etc. The youngest, newest GP in the practice, hitherto unknown to me, phoned me back and advised me a test was unnecessary,, that he would email the chemist with a prescription for amoxicillin, and that if that didn't work I could get tested. In the meantime, he advised, I can go out and about as normal with mask etc, but not to attend any night parties. This is Southside Dublin suburbs. Feeling worse today, just started the antibiotic, hoping he is right in his decision not to request testing. Personally I am more than glad not to be bothered with a prod up the nostrils, and I am reasonably sure it is indeed a bacterial infection, but looking at it objectively it think it is some chance he might be taking in view of its increasing prevalence in the capital.

so if the course of antibiotics do not work im guessing over a 7 day period he will then send you for testing?very odd

inthenip · 09-09-2020 01:35PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

You might think it's normal, I think it's retarded, no evidence to back it up. I want to live my life without wearing one. What happened to my body my choice.

Your just been awkward for the sake of it. Grow up.

The mask helps prevent a person who is sick from spreading the virus to others. It helps keep respiratory droplets contained and from reaching other people and surfaces.

If a person who has the virus coughs directly in your face and your wearing the mask, the mask isn't going to stop you getting the virus.

If you don't get this you have the IQ of a goldfish.

douglashyde · 09-09-2020 01:36PM

Stark wrote: »

It was coined by the anti-mask/anti-vaccine crowd who use it to try and drown out any more balanced debate on social media.

Fair enough. I've only heard it from this POV which I feel tells a balanced story.

Point being; it highlights that we need to mindful that cases are going up & the numbers that really matter (death/complications/loading/economic indicators).

I'm advocating for common sense: Masks in public/ hand washing / distancing / ban very large gatherings / intervention in high risk communities (Roma communities/Direct Provision/migrant worker lodging/workplaces).

kilburn · 09-09-2020 01:36PM

drunkmonkey wrote:

You might think it's normal, I think it's retarded, no evidence to back it up. I want to live my life without wearing one. What happened to my body my choice.

Classy word to use in your rebuttal

TOMs WIFE · 09-09-2020 01:43PM

douglashyde wrote: »

Fair enough. I've only heard it from this POV which I feel tells a balanced story.

Point being; it highlights that we need to mindful that cases are going up & the numbers that really matter (death/complications/loading/economic indicators).

That fool is just another anti vax conspiracy theorist.

zinfandel · 09-09-2020 01:43PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

You might think it's normal, I think it's retarded, no evidence to back it up. I want to live my life without wearing one. What happened to my body my choice.

because you are a selfish P**** wearing a mask is primarily to protect the people you come into contact with, so you go ahead and the rest of us will protect you instead by wearing one...

JP Liz V1 · 09-09-2020 01:44PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Is your intention to deliberately mislead? Troll? Or do you just not read your own sources?

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Positive news on that front. 44 of them are already out of hospital (as I'm sure you were already aware)

ACitizenErased wrote: »

According to the HSE report last night there was 0 ICU COVID patients in any of the children hospitals.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Do you read the articles no ?

Its now been updated as it was incorrect

DebDynamite wrote: »

To be fair, it’s an absolute disgrace of a headline by the Indo. I’d say all the parent’s WhatsApp groups were blowing up after seeing it. Unfortunately if a newspaper reports something, some people cannot apply critical thinking to question it, and take it as gospel.

big syke wrote: »

Cop on

I wasn't trolling I saw The Independent headline and was wishing the kids a recovery

I didn't know it was wrong

Can we not be civil in this thread and fight Covid19 and not each other

The truth is many kids are now catching it here

FlipperThePriest · 09-09-2020 01:44PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I f'n hate them to put it mildly. It's warping society with no clearly defined benefit. If it was a temporary thing with a clearly defined goal fair enough, this is for life as it stands and enforced by threat of incarceration when science says they may even increaces problems due to incorrect use.
How long are you prepared to put on one and have your children forced to live their lives with one?

I always use my morning coffee as an example, was getting it this morning and standing 3/4 meters waiting my turn, chap with a mask at the machine, touched the front of his mask before touching the button for coffee. Then told me to come over I said it's fine just keeping with the distancing thing as I hate masks, he insisted I come over had to tell him no I'll wait. I've multiple daily antidotes of numb nuts mask wearers complete missing the point.

What's stopping you respecting my decision to keep my distance? Why is that so wrong you think I should be jailed.

Even for 'numb nuts' like that, the benefit is for you, not for him. I guarantee you he's the same guy that would have his fingers in his mouth before touching that button. Which would you rather?

The 'problems due to incorrect use' such as touching mask and not donning and doffing properly, that is more detrimental to their own health, not yours, you're still a lot more protected in their vicinity, even if they have hands all over themselves, because they're not spraying aerosols your way.

ACitizenErased · 09-09-2020 01:45PM

Quite good analysis by Sky News about the trends in Europe.

iguana · 09-09-2020 01:49PM

douglashyde wrote: »

The data is clearly showing that while cases are going up because of a mix of factors notable an increase in referrals & testing ; Deaths or hospital loading is not going up.

We also have new data showing that community spread was happening in the UK in late December. It took until March for the hospitals to come under pressure. For at least 10 weeks the virus was spreading and we didn't have a clue. It took at least that long for the cases in hospitals to become an issue. All that's happening now is that we are seeing (some) of what we didn't see in winter/early spring. The virus spreading slowly, mainly asymptomatically/mildly with very few cases leading to hospitalisations. If we don't notice or take action to prevent the spread, until hospital numbers are an issue, it will be too late to prevent a bigger problem.

drunkmonkey · 09-09-2020 01:51PM

inthenip wrote: »

Your just been awkward for the sake of it. Grow up.

The mask helps prevent a person who is sick from spreading the virus to others. It helps keep respiratory droplets contained and from reaching other people and surfaces.

If you don't get this you have the IQ of a goldfish.

Yes a person who is sick and they use the correct type of mask and take all the proper precautions that goes along with using one may prevent 3 out or 200,000 cases in the general public. The way there being used they provide no defined benefit and can cause other complications and possibly help spread the disease.

Only a gold fish doesn't look at fact based science and blindly acceptes any old mask will do to prevent covid. Grow up and look at the evidence.

If you want to see sensible advice go have a look at the Danish ministry for health website. Masks are required in certain situations not every situation and they've actually done some research on the subject.

You don't even know how many cases we expected to stop or even if it's been a successful policy. Why because you didn't look at the evidence.

Goldengirl · 09-09-2020 01:52PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Spain seems to be on the brink of its next disaster.

Hard to shake the feeling that we're on a similar trajectory.

https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-09-09/spain-reports-nearly-9000-new-coronavirus-cases.html

And yet there was a video with some doctor in Spain , shrugging his shoulders saying , nothing to see here !
Was that fake then ?
I found both his attitude and opinions strange for a supposed medical professional.

09-09-2020 01:55PM

the merchant wrote: »

84 cases - 4 deaths

If true its an odd jump in deaths

hullaballoo · 09-09-2020 01:55PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

You might think it's normal, I think it's retarded, no evidence to back it up. I want to live my life without wearing one. What happened to my body my choice.

You are painting yourself as a nut here - I don't believe you are but with the constant anti-mask posts, you are seriously doing yourself a disservice. If it was as you say just that you have a personal dislike (or hatred, a bizarre overreaction imo) then fine, you've made your point.

But because it's an oar you're sticking in at every available opportunity (and sometimes without needing an available opportunity), it makes it look like you're a bit obsessed.

I'd also say that using "my body, my choice" in this way is really not on. Leaving aside how crass it is for a moment... The phrase was about bodily integrity for women - their right to choose whether or not to receive invasive surgeries or have an input into their own healthcare.

Unless you are doing something outlandish with the masks, which would be your personal choice to do rather than a government mandate, then they do not impact on your bodily integrity or frankly any other freedom or right you have as a member of this society. It might affect some of your imagined rights but there's nothing the rest of us can do about that.

I dislike that by virtue of the sheer number of posts you have with these baseless criticisms of wearing masks, you are making it look like there's actually a conversation to be had about this.

inthenip · 09-09-2020 01:55PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Yes a person who is sick and they use the correct type of mask and take all the proper precautions that goes along with using one may prevent 3 out or 200,000 cases in the general public. The way there being used they provide no defined benefit and can cause other complications and possibly help spread the disease.

Only a gold fish doesn't look at fact based science and blindly acceptes any old mask will do to prevent covid. Grow up and look at the evidence.

If you want to see sensible advice go have a look at the Danish ministry for health website. Masks are required in certain situations not every situation and they've actually done some research on the subject.

You don't even know how many cases we expected to stop or even if it's been a successful policy. Why because you didn't look at the evidence.

You've answered your own debate there about when to wear face masks. There is nothing much different about Ireland and Denmark and when to use face masks.

Well done, its not a requirement in Ireland to wear them 24/7 if your out. Its really just shops and public transport.

drunkmonkey · 09-09-2020 01:56PM

iguana wrote: »

We also have new data showing that community spread was happening in the UK in late December. It took until March for the hospitals to come under pressure. For at least 10 weeks the virus was spreading and we didn't have a clue. It took at least that long for the cases in hospitals to become an issue. All that's happening now is that we are seeing (some) of what we didn't see in winter/early spring. The virus spreading slowly, mainly asymptomatically/mildly with very few cases leading to hospitalisations. If we don't notice or take action to prevent the spread, until hospital numbers are an issue, it will be too late to prevent a bigger problem.

I think that's a pretty important point, when NPHET refer to the virus they say it came here in February and caused a massive amount of deaths quickly, I don't think it did though it was here late last year and travelled through the population until it reached the most vunrable. Things start to make a bit of sense it you start the graphs were being presented with further back.

drunkmonkey · 09-09-2020 01:57PM

inthenip wrote: »

You've answered your own debate there about when to wear face masks. There is nothing much different about Ireland and Denmark and when to use face masks.

There is a massive amount, I said have a look at the ministry of health there. How can you even come out with that comment, complete bs you didn't even look.

Funsterdelux · 09-09-2020 01:58PM

Drumpot wrote: »

This really is remarkable gymnastics from the authorities.

For one person in a family to get the virus, they must of been somewhere else to bring it into the home. If the person who brought it home got it in a pub, a school, a factory , a bus etc, then this is the driver of the spread.

People won’t change (stop hugging/kissing partner/children) how they treat their family. So it’s more important to focus on what brings it into the house, as opposed to the fact it’s spreading in homes.

If a person goes to a pub, catches the virus, brings it home to their family, it spreads and then other children of other families get it and it spreads in those family’s, is it now going to be said that it’s spreading in households? Cause if the households are generally being safe and careful, The origin of the spread is vital.

The fact it does spread at home is worth understanding and acknowledging. But it shouldn’t deflect from the reason why it was brought home in the first place. I must admit, it is kind of fascinating watching the authorities manipulate the narrative on the virus.

Sure didnt the whole thing start off with a bat and pangolin having a few
Humans friends over to their house. It wasnt a wet market.

the merchant · 09-09-2020 02:00PM

the merchant wrote: »

84 cases - 4 deaths

54 in Dublin

ACitizenErased · 09-09-2020 02:01PM

The Serum Institute of India is continuing it’s Oxford trials. They say that the issue is not vaccine related.
Taken from Reddit:

Interesting that the Indian trials are continuing and the SII don't seem too concerned.

From Twitter

"We (Serum Institute of India) can't comment on reports of AstraZeneca pausing the trials in the UK, other than that they have been paused for review and shall restart soon. The Indian trials are continuing and we have faced no issues at all."

EDIT -

Adar Poonawalla also said this :

"This incident in the UK will have no impact on the Indian vaccine trial being carried out by Serum Institute," said Adar Poonawalla, CEO of Serum Institute of India, that is conducting trials on the Oxford vaccine AZD1222 (aka ChAdOx1 nCoV-19) in India also known as COVISHIELD.

Adar Poonawalla added, "The reaction that has been reported is not directly linked to the vaccine. The person who has had the reaction had an existing neurological condition. During a vaccine trial such events are common place."

"Our production timelines are on schedule as planned,"

Not sure if I can post the article bit it is titled "Oxford vaccine trial pause won't have impact on Indian trials: Serum Institute CEO" from the site India Today

drunkmonkey · 09-09-2020 02:02PM

the merchant wrote: »

54 in Dublin

Do you know where the deaths were?

Goldengirl · 09-09-2020 02:05PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Just wonder what age do they count you as a a Kid ?
Under 18 or younger ?

Under 16

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