Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

Happydays2020 · 09-09-2020 12:04PM

celt262 wrote: »

Pub beside me had a regular come down with it and had been drinking in the pub every night before he was tested and had 12 close contacts from the pub. None of them tested positive as they had a substantial meal. Anyway that is some useless information for you.

Subtle but brilliant.

seanb85 · 09-09-2020 12:04PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

They need to be releasing this kind of information daily. You can clearly see private houses are driving the spread and not pubs and restaurants. Maybe that's why try are planning on going ahead with wet pubs being opened.
They made that announcement when they already knew the new figures for yesterday.

On the open clusters, they are only closed after 28 days of no new cases associated to them.

I don't think it's any surprise most spread is in households, that is inevitable given proximity. The question is how it is getting into households; are people picking it up at work, school, socialising, randomly? You cannot prevent household spread without stopping it getting into homes in the first place.

Maybe they could look again at isolation facilities to reduce household spread?

Drumpot · 09-09-2020 12:07PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Almost as if a large proportion of the population spend some of their time in a private household.

I don't get the comparison between households and anything else tbh.

This really is remarkable gymnastics from the authorities.

For one person in a family to get the virus, they must of been somewhere else to bring it into the home. If the person who brought it home got it in a pub, a school, a factory , a bus etc, then this is the driver of the spread.

People won’t change (stop hugging/kissing partner/children) how they treat their family. So it’s more important to focus on what brings it into the house, as opposed to the fact it’s spreading in homes.

If a person goes to a pub, catches the virus, brings it home to their family, it spreads and then other children of other families get it and it spreads in those family’s, is it now going to be said that it’s spreading in households? Cause if the households are generally being safe and careful, The origin of the spread is vital.

The fact it does spread at home is worth understanding and acknowledging. But it shouldn’t deflect from the reason why it was brought home in the first place. I must admit, it is kind of fascinating watching the authorities manipulate the narrative on the virus.

iguana · 09-09-2020 12:09PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

They need to be releasing this kind of information daily. You can clearly see private houses are driving the spread and not pubs and restaurants.

The thing is that two weeks ago Glasgow's cases were been driven by contacts in private households. Now they are being driven in pubs. If you stop people from congregating in one way, while allowing another. Enough people will switch to the other way of meeting for that to become the transmission route.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18706484.glasgow-lockdown-covid-19-cases-pubs-increase-household-restrictions-tightened/

JDD · 09-09-2020 12:09PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

They need to be releasing this kind of information daily. You can clearly see private houses are driving the spread and not pubs and restaurants. Maybe that's why try are planning on going ahead with wet pubs being opened.
They made that announcement when they already knew the new figures for yesterday.

On the open clusters, they are only closed after 28 days of no new cases associated to them.

Does a private home cluster include where one person gets infected and then spreads it to their partner and children? Or does it only include where you have infected someone from another household in your home?

Also, the HSE used to have a really useful infographic on the number of ICU beds available and staffed for use. Do they still do that?

JP Liz V1 · 09-09-2020 12:10PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

A highly inaccurate article after appearing on the independent website.

They're using HPSC data that show the totals since covid began and saying its the current situation. Stating 3 children in ICU and 45 children in hosptial currently. Its not difficult data to read as it states cumulative on it.

The child ICU stats have had an additional 1 added since last week as per HPSC data.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/three-children-with-covid-19-are-being-treated-in-intensive-care-39516866.html

3 kids in ICU

hope they all pull through

seanb85 · 09-09-2020 12:10PM

In reality Direct Provision outbreaks should also be counted as household spread. That is their household.

stephenjmcd · 09-09-2020 12:11PM

Some more information from HPSC on the cases by epidemiological date.

Note that despite days with 200+ cases being announced there hasn't been a day with 200+ cases assigned recently.

A small point but something worth stating.

brick tamland · 09-09-2020 12:13PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

3 kids in ICU hope they all pull through

Read the post you replied to.

according tho that article the are 45 kids in hospital with covid 19 even though the total in hospital for the whole country is 50.

DangerScouse · 09-09-2020 12:13PM

Deleted User wrote: »

There is so much we don't know or what the government are not telling us.

They know a lot more than they tell us. The media love this. Every few days story of some person in their thirties forties nearly died or died of it all to scare people. I guess that's what sells papers. Not "I had covid and I was grand after a few days" which is what I have heard from the few I know that got it.

Well iv'e had covid and i can guarantee you i was not grand after a few days. I went for my first run only this past Sunday after contracting the virus months ago. I wasn't at deaths door at any stage but i'm big enough to admit it scared the sh1t out of me in particular when i thought i was over the worst of it only for it to floor me again.

I can easily see that if for instance i didn't exercise or have a good diet i could have ended up in ICU or maybe worse. I guess i was unlucky and must have gotten a high viral load i don't know but i think it's a tad disingenuous to call it scaremongering by the media. This is not a pleasant virus to contract.

All that said i am very hopeful that somehow the virus isn't as letal now as it was when it first appeared on the scene.

stephenjmcd · 09-09-2020 12:14PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

3 kids in ICU hope they all pull through

There isn't as I've said 3 kids in ICU, it's an inaccurate article as I stated.

In the last week there has been 1 added to the under 4 age group. These are the totals since the start.

2 cases in the 5-14 age group have been in HPSC data for a while and will be as its a cumulative total, independent reporting it as current total which it isn't

EDIT: Independent article now updated, can only imagine the reaction if it had of been left the way it was, they were saying 45 kids were currently in hospital

US2 · 09-09-2020 12:17PM

The kid could be in ICU because of anything and happen to have covid. It's highly doubtful a healthy kid would be hospitalized nevermind ICU with Covid

MerlinSouthDub · 09-09-2020 12:17PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Some more information from HPSC on the cases by epidemiological date.

Note that despite days with 200+ cases being announced there hasn't been a day with 200+ cases assigned recently.

A small point but something worth stating.

They should only report data on this basis - it gives the true picture.

stephenjmcd · 09-09-2020 12:19PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

They should only report data on this basis - it gives the true picture.

There is some HPSC data that should be released to the public more often. It's there but you have to go look for it yourself and not widely reported on.

Some useful information in it.

09-09-2020 12:24PM

wowzer wrote: »

My 2 kids are being tested in swords today, referred for testing by doc yesterday. I'm in the castleknock area so expected to be sent there or croke park but was sent to swords instead. Fine by me as I drive but seems a bit strange to be sent so far from home.

They may have spare capacity in swords and none in Castkeknock or Croke Park. Once you said you could drive, the probably directed to there rather than having to wait longer for a test in the other centres

bb1234567 · 09-09-2020 12:24PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

3 kids in ICU hope they all pull through

Lol, did you misread that deliberately to annoy him?

yourdeadwright · 09-09-2020 12:25PM

84 and 54 of which are in Dublin

ACitizenErased · 09-09-2020 12:25PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Some more information from HPSC on the cases by epidemiological date.

Note that despite days with 200+ cases being announced there hasn't been a day with 200+ cases assigned recently.

A small point but something worth stating.

That is very interesting. So cases are being notified timely but simply not being reported at the same time.

stephenjmcd · 09-09-2020 12:26PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

That is very interesting. So cases are being notified timely but simply not being reported at the same time.

Would appear to suggest that

MerlinSouthDub · 09-09-2020 12:28PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

84 and 54 of which are in Dublin

Thanks, great to get the early updates! Hard to know what to think of the reported numbers these days, so let's see how many positive swabs we had when the dashboard updates this afternoon.

giveitholly · 09-09-2020 12:28PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

84 and 54 of which are in Dublin

Some fluctuating in figures,suppose thats why people are calling for weekly figures

stephenjmcd · 09-09-2020 12:29PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

84 and 54 of which are in Dublin

Will be interesting to see the swab data later.

Thanks for the early updates as usual

JP Liz V1 · 09-09-2020 12:29PM

I hope all 45 kids in hospital full recover from it

ACitizenErased · 09-09-2020 12:29PM

I think the HPSC graph Stephen posted above that shows we haven’t crossed 200 actual reported cases on a single day shows that daily figures are becoming irrelevant.

Goldengirl · 09-09-2020 12:30PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Independent and Irish times reporting most Dublin cases are occuring in Dublin west and south west and the vast majority occuring the home or family settings. Seems as if households mixing in houses is being singled out as the issue here and not 1 event

But how do they know if those people are not becoming infected through for example being at an anti mask rally, and then bringing it back home.
I would imagine not too many positive cases would be owning up to not obeying restrictions.

Benimar · 09-09-2020 12:32PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I think the HPSC graph Stephen posted above that shows we haven’t crossed 200 actual reported cases on a single day shows that daily figures are becoming irrelevant.

When does data run to? With 406 positive swabs over the weekend, either Saturday or Sunday would have exceeded 200 (even if slightly)

the merchant · 09-09-2020 12:32PM

84 cases - 4 deaths

B.A._Baracus · 09-09-2020 12:33PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

But how do they know if those people are not becoming infected through for example being at an anti mask rally, and then bringing it back home.
I would imagine not too many positive cases would be owning up to not obeying restrictions.

Spot on.
You'd have people saying "I don't know how I got it"

JP Liz V1 · 09-09-2020 12:33PM

https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1303638095355686915

yourdeadwright · 09-09-2020 12:33PM

theballz wrote: »

Leo fairly spilled the beans on the governments thoughts on how to deal with the issues in Dublin. Didn't sound too bad for me, glad they are taking the economy into consideration and keeping the country alive via the capital.

What did he say ?

Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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