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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #4412
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Now this is worrying

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/tech-giant-google-pulls-out-of-office-deal-in-dublin-docklands-1.4348998

    Never good to see stuff like that.

    The work from home idea will hit Ireland the hardest


  • #4413
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Would you be in favour of completely opening up? Full stadiums? Copper face jacks?

    Full stadiums? Nah but I think we can all agree it's feasible to have people back outdoors watching a match with proper SD.
    CFJ's never saw the attraction, so no opinion.


  • #4414
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,099 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    MadYaker wrote: »
    No I haven't but I talk regularly with my brother who has been living in Madrid for 7 years and I also have friends in Paris, various parts of the UK and in Poland. Not sure what the point of your question was to be honest. My brother was allowed to leave his apartment once a week to shop and that was it for 8 weeks. They never had the 2k for exercise that we always had. There was police and army on the streets 24/7 etc it was very different to here. Paris was the same. Poland was more like here.

    Article about Spain here https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/spanish-children-allowed-out-after-six-weeks-of-lockdown-1.4237365
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Would you be in favour of completely opening up? Full stadiums? Copper face jacks?

    Reopen everything and let people decide for themselves.


  • #4415
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,121 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Are you getting automatic curtain twitchers installed?

    Of course, it is de rigeur these days isn't it? LOL.

    But ya know yourself. These guys don't care they just want to get in and out and that's that.


  • #4416
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Would you be in favour of completely opening up? Full stadiums? Copper face jacks?

    I’d hold off on full stadiums and nightclubs for a bit longer.

    Everything else can be done away it. Hand washing and distancing encouraged.

    Ultimately it’s up to everyone to do what they feel is right for them.


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  • #4417
    Lundstram
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭Lundstram


    Ireland in 2020. The only country in Europe where you will see this. And there’s many more like this man. All for what exactly? What are we hoping to achieve? Sickening.

    https://twitter.com/galwayplayer/status/1303047799672573960?s=21


  • #4418
    xtal191
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,534 ✭✭✭xtal191


    Lundstram wrote: »
    Ireland in 2020. The only country in Europe where you will see this. And there’s many more like this man. All for what exactly? What are we hoping to achieve? Sickening.

    https://twitter.com/galwayplayer/status/1303047799672573960?s=21

    Hope he knew his photo was taken and plastered all over the internet


  • #4419
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,514 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Sweden didn't lockdown at all and have double our population.
    Wonder why they didn't have 170000 deaths...


    because they didn't.
    they did however have restrictions.
    now, whether they would have had less deaths then what they did have had they had a lockdown or not on the other hand, we won't know because they didn't.
    however, they aren't proof against our approach as there are more countries to show that our approach or similar were mostly correct.
    brazil and america, britain who locked down to late.
    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Nope, we aren't getting on with life.

    Loads of pointless restrictions in place.

    Can't even have 5% capacity of an outdoor sports stadium used for fans.

    Absolutely shameful stuff.


    of course many of us are getting on with life, and are doing what we need to do perfectly fine, with a small few necessary restrictions in place so that we can move forward and not undo the work we have done to suppress and manage the virus.
    if you are not able to get on with your life i'm sorry to hear that, but really the good news is we are mostly open now and you can more or less go about your business should you choose to, with those small few restrictions in place.
    if we keep going as we are then it won't be long before sports events and pubs and others will be allowed to increase capacity, maybe even go back to full capacity all though full capacity might be getting ahead of ourselves.
    it was never going to be the case that the end of lockdown would mean simply throwing open everything and hope for the best, that was never going to happen.
    none of us like the restrictions, none of us, but they are there for good reason.
    MadYaker wrote: »
    Most of the people in this thread have no idea what is happening in other countries. Some even genuinely think we had the most strict lockdown in Europe which is kind of funny.

    to be honest we probably had the easiest lock down in europe.
    doesn't mean it wasn't hard for people but when we look at the rest of the countries that had lock downs they were more strict and more heavily enforced.
    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    So report in the Indo of Glynn telling everyone in Dublin and Limerick that they need to adhere to physical distancing and cut down their social contacts and threatening a return to "places we do not want to be" with a complaint about people wearing visors rather than masks.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/we-are-particularly-concerned-about-dublin-and-limerick-dr-ronan-glynn-issues-stark-warning-as-coronavirus-cases-rise-39510217.html

    He's really overstepped his authority at this point.
    Zero deaths again today but yea, let's threaten people with lockdowns for being bold.


    no overstepping of authority there at all in that article as the doctor is only an adviser and has never claimed to be anything more in relation to this.
    it's government who make the decisions based on the information they get, so it is they who are responsible.
    all he is doing is expressing that there are concerns over dublin and limerick and that people should follow the restrictions so as to not undo the good work we have done in suppressing and managing this virus which disrupted our lives.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    I’m completely anti restrictions. But i kind of think it would be hilarious if they try to lockdown Dublin or anywhere else with 0 deaths in weeks and 6 in ICU.

    It would really go from car crash to train wreck then!

    Wouldn’t surprise me if NPHET recommend it.

    A single life is more important than the economy apparently. Even if the single life is 98% complete.


    it's just you and the other individuals of a similar viewpoint to yourself who are thinking such is the opinion.
    the economy could never be prioritized and 100% of life could not have been saved, hence our approach and the approach of most countries was to implement a balancing act where the economy could be kept going at a basic level and death rates kept as low as is possible.
    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Now this is worrying

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/tech-giant-google-pulls-out-of-office-deal-in-dublin-docklands-1.4348998

    i can see why you might see it as worrying but it might not necessarily be so.
    it could be that they no longer need that amount of office space due to working from home, it could be that perhapse other options have come up that are cheaper, might be best to watch and wait to see what happens.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #4420
    Lundstram
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭Lundstram


    I don’t want to quote that wall of pure sh1te, end of the road. In reply, I want to say you have no idea what’s happening in the rest of Europe if you think we have had the easiest restrictions. This is my third European country to be in since this all started and I can say without any hesitation the Irish people are being taken for fools by a massively over conservative government to make themselves look good.

    We officially entered recession today but you won’t see that on RTÉ news. It’ll be buried somewhere where it can’t be noticed.

    On the continent here now and not a whisper of this “deadly killer virus” except for mask wearing and social distancing. The way it should be.

    Move on, Ireland!


  • #4421
    Birdie Num Num
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Birdie Num Num


    Lundstram wrote: »
    We officially entered recession today but you won’t see that on RTÉ news. It’ll be buried somewhere where it can’t be noticed.

    Yeah, I saw that on RTÉ earlier.


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  • #4422
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,616 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    xtal191 wrote: »
    Hope he knew his photo was taken and plastered all over the internet

    It was probably his idea to pose for it, and look mournfully out the window, with a clock the barman found in the kitchen...

    (not seriously suggesting that, but it's the kind of craic that people used to get up to Before Covid)


  • #4423
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,161 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Lundstram wrote: »

    On the continent here now and not a whisper of this “deadly killer virus” except for mask wearing and social distancing. The way it should be.

    Move on, Ireland!

    Not a whisper.

    I doubt that somehow.


  • #4424
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    As to why so few virus deaths here at present? As scientists are averring, the virus has mutated and is indeed less deadly. But they expected this and also that is will mutate again and become more deadly again.

    As is starting to happen in other countries already where there is less concern and fewer restrictions and precautions than we have here.

    This is a living organism. And flu changes every year as does the vaccine for that

    covid 19 is deadly. And not just for old folk.
    end of the road wrote: »
    it already more or less has happened, as people already realised such centuries ago.
    however there is a massive difference between accepting that death is a part of life, and deliberately and knowingly refusing to make an effort to suppress a virus which can be deadly if left unchecked which in turn leads to a lot of possibly unavoidable deaths, all because a minority don't like wearing a mask or can't go to a non-food pub.

    nobody thinks this to be the case, so that lightbulg moment already happened the minute covid came to town.


  • #4425
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,832 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Graces7 wrote: »
    As to why so few virus deaths here at present? As scientists are averring, the virus has mutated and is indeed less deadly. But they expected this and also that is will mutate again and become more deadly again..

    Moronic bullish:t.


  • #4426
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,254 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Graces7 wrote: »
    As to why so few virus deaths here at present? As scientists are averring, the virus has mutated and is indeed less deadly. But they expected this and also that is will mutate again and become more deadly again.

    As is starting to happen in other countries already where there is less concern and fewer restrictions and precautions than we have here.

    This is a living organism. And flu changes every year as does the vaccine for that

    covid 19 is deadly. And not just for old folk.

    I'm afraid the stats don't bear that out. Firstly no one has died here in weeks. Secondly, the majority have been elderly and with existing serious underlying conditions. Thirdly, the vast majority of people who have caught it have recovered and may not have even realised they had it in many cases.

    Have you a source on the point that the virus has mutated into a less dangerous version? The observed evidence would seem to bear this out but I'm curious as to whether that's "official" now. Your view however that it'll become deadly again is speculation - but if we're doing that, it's more likely to further weaken if anything.


  • #4427
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,116 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Graces7 wrote: »
    As to why so few virus deaths here at present? As scientists are averring, the virus has mutated and is indeed less deadly. But they expected this and also that is will mutate again and become more deadly again.

    As is starting to happen in other countries already where there is less concern and fewer restrictions and precautions than we have here.

    This is a living organism. And flu changes every year as does the vaccine for that

    covid 19 is deadly. And not just for old folk.

    There is so much wrong with this that it's difficult to know where to start. This virus is nothing like a flu virus. This type of virus does not mutate as quickly as a flu virus at all. Flu can mutate considerably within months, this is not the case with coronaviruses. There can be slightly dissimilar strains of coronavirus but not the mutations of flu.
    As for getting less deadly only to then become more deadly. Really?

    Where did you get this BS from? Some half baked YouTuber?


  • #4428
    paw patrol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Would you be in favour of completely opening up? Full stadiums? Copper face jacks?


    he mightn't, i would open it all.
    If you are worried don't go to those places. If you live with your granny then best not to go. But the rest of us should be allowed make those decisions for ourselves.


    It's important to try keep the vulnerable alive and well but it's also important that we all (including your granny) have some quality of life.
    the over 70s I know are angry their final years are being wasted in this climate of fear and boredom. they want out of this more than my teenager and his mates.


  • #4429
    Penfailed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,682 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Lundstram wrote: »
    We officially entered recession today but you won’t see that on RTÉ news. It’ll be buried somewhere where it can’t be noticed.

    Ah...yeah. I heard all about it on RTE. It wasn't buried anywhere.
    Lundstram wrote: »
    On the continent here now and not a whisper of this “deadly killer virus” except for mask wearing and social distancing.

    "Not a whisper[...]EXCEPT..."

    LOL

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  • #4430
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Graces7 wrote: »
    As to why so few virus deaths here at present? As scientists are averring, the virus has mutated and is indeed less deadly. But they expected this and also that is will mutate again and become more deadly again.

    As is starting to happen in other countries already where there is less concern and fewer restrictions and precautions than we have here.

    This is a living organism. And flu changes every year as does the vaccine for that

    covid 19 is deadly. And not just for old folk.

    Age of deaths:

    15 - 24 - 1 death
    25 - 34 - 5 deaths
    35 - 44 - 13 deaths
    45 - 54 - 27 deaths
    55 - 64 - 73 deaths
    65 - 74 - 253 deaths
    75 - 84 - 605 deaths
    85+ -798 deaths

    Do you want to reconsider your assessment above?

    Or perhaps you will suggest that all the young people now have permanent brain damage or heart disease or long Covid. :rolleyes:


  • #4431
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    Graces7 wrote: »
    As to why so few virus deaths here at present? As scientists are averring, the virus has mutated and is indeed less deadly. But they expected this and also that is will mutate again and become more deadly again.




    Mutating to become more deadly?


    Wouldn't that be the exact opposite of a "good" virus? Kill the host and the virus dies.

    A "good" virus is one that stays alive, so if any mutation happens at all it'll more than likely be better.


    Where did you see this?


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  • #4432
    Whatsisname
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,812 ✭✭✭Whatsisname


    Graces7 wrote: »
    As to why so few virus deaths here at present? As scientists are averring, the virus has mutated and is indeed less deadly. But they expected this and also that is will mutate again and become more deadly again.

    As is starting to happen in other countries already where there is less concern and fewer restrictions and precautions than we have here.

    This is a living organism. And flu changes every year as does the vaccine for that

    covid 19 is deadly. And not just for old folk.

    No wonder theres so much misinformation about the virus when **** like this is spouted with confidence.


  • #4433
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    xtal191 wrote: »
    Hope he knew his photo was taken and plastered all over the internet

    How do we know he is not a crisis actor being well paid by the vintners Association? #Factcheck


  • #4434
    Captain_Crash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,993 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    Looking like 21st
    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0908/1163832-covid-cabinet-pubs/


  • #4435
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    Captain_Crash wrote: »
    Looking like 21st
    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0908/1163832-covid-cabinet-pubs/




    My elderly granddad is eagerly awaiting this. His small local pub was his only means of socialisation especially after our grandmother died. He used to go there every day, have banter with his friends, have his 2 pints and head home.


    It's an old man's pub and they are all 100% going to follow regulations if it means they can all see each other again. I'm looking forward to the day he can see his buddies again.


  • #4436
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,149 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    So in a pub you won’t be allowed sit a table with people you don’t live with? Or have I that totally wrong?


  • #4437
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Gael23 wrote: »
    So in a pub you won’t be allowed sit a table with people you don’t live with? Or have I that totally wrong?

    Its the same guidelines as restaurants have now


  • #4438
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,149 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Its the same guidelines as restaurants have now
    Just stay in your group? That’s not too unreasonable


  • #4439
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Captain_Crash wrote: »
    Looking like 21st
    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0908/1163832-covid-cabinet-pubs/

    Government should really just butt out completely.
    It is time to ditch all this nonsense of time limits and curfews etc.


  • #4440
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    paw patrol wrote: »
    he mightn't, i would open it all.
    If you are worried don't go to those places. If you live with your granny then best not to go. But the rest of us should be allowed make those decisions for ourselves.


    It's important to try keep the vulnerable alive and well but it's also important that we all (including your granny) have some quality of life.
    the over 70s I know are angry their final years are being wasted in this climate of fear and boredom. they want out of this more than my teenager and his mates.

    Problem I have with this is that I see it inevitable that the cases will keep rising. We'll soon have 1000 cases a day. What then? Continue to flounder? I don't think it's possible to to completely protect the elderly with so much of it going around. We'll suddenly be back where we were in March.


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  • #4441
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Problem I have with this is that I see it inevitable that the cases will keep rising. We'll soon have 1000 cases a day. What then? Continue to flounder? I don't think it's possible to to completely protect the elderly with so much of it going around. We'll suddenly be back where we were in March.

    Will you be disappointed if we're not?


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