Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

Jim_Hodge · 06-09-2020 08:48PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Agree 100%
Should have gone with 50% in, and 50% Google classroom for a few months until spread through school estimated, for secondary at least .

And for those that keep saying schools back a week , most secondary schools are only back a coup,e of hours induction at this stage , so it will be at least 2 more weeks before that sxxx hits the fan .
Especially as most teens will spread it just as much if not more than adults .

I'd see that as a preference myself but what about in areas, like where we are, with almost non existent broadband and not even a mobile phone signal in the house? Not all students would be able to use online classes. If you have a few in the same house equipment could also be an issue. There's also a possible issue with minors being at home unsupervised

06-09-2020 08:48PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Great news if true. Would really be a game changer considering the extremely high level of assympthomatic cases we are finding now.

Fauci said recently in the history of virus's/flu spread it has always been people who get symptoms/sick spread to others. Why is it any different this time? Half the worlds population or more is probably immune and no threat to other people.

hmmm · 06-09-2020 08:49PM

"we conclude that the infectivity of some asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 carriers might be weak."

Reading this my first impression is that this is pretty weak, particularly as Covid seems to be exhibiting superspreading characteristics (i.e. some people with Covid don't cause many infections, some people do, and we usually don't know why).

06-09-2020 08:50PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

what percentage are asymptomatic?

50% of worlds population minimum.

drunkmonkey · 06-09-2020 08:52PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

That would be huge finding for spread.

In the short term though asymptomatic could be presymptomatic... it is only after X days can say asymptomatic.

Will you stop muddying the waters, if they were presymptomatic it would have been noted, they were asymptomatic.
Asymptomatic people don't seem to be a problem time and time again, it does away with the reasoning behind masking healthy people though, is that the issue everything you believe is wrong.

Tbh I haven't read it yet and have my own reservations, who deliberately tries to infect healthy people. I'd like to mention the Nuremberg code again, as far as I'm aware that's not legal.

What Username Guidelines · 06-09-2020 08:52PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Great news if true. Would really be a game changer considering the extremely high level of assympthomatic cases we are finding now.

Unfortunately that study is a sample of one.

“In summary, all the 455 contacts were excluded from SARS-CoV-2 infection and we conclude that the infectivity of some asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 carriers might be weak.”

Infectivity of “some” carriers “might” be weak.

It may well be true of all asymptomatic cases, who knows, but the sample of one isn’t enough to get to any solid conclusion.

Imagine the poor bastard who posts a study here that says “after studying a patient with heart damage, we conclude that some patients might get heart damage”. They’d be torn apart.

06-09-2020 08:54PM

hmmm wrote: »

"we conclude that the infectivity of some asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 carriers might be weak."

Reading this my first impression is that this is pretty weak, particularly as Covid seems to be exhibiting superspreading characteristics (i.e. some people with Covid don't cause many infections, some people do, and we usually don't know why).

Correct virus is WEAK in spreading by many. There is immunity out there. We just don't know who?

ExMachina1000 · 06-09-2020 08:55PM

91k cases in India today
3k in the Uk

odyssey06 · 06-09-2020 08:56PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Will you stop muddying the waters, if they were presymptomatic it would have been noted, they were asymptomatic.
Asymptomatic people don't seem to be a problem time and time again, it does away with the reasoning behind masking healthy people though, is that the issue everything you believe is wrong.

You don't seem to be able to comprehend the different between asymptomatic and presymptomatic. The waters aren't muddy, you just have poor eyesight.

hmmm · 06-09-2020 08:58PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Correct virus is WEAK in spreading by many. There is immunity out there. We just don't know who?

I know people are desperate to hear that there is some pre-existing immunity and we'll all get out of this, but it's not what the science is currently saying. In particular there have been studies in enclosed spaces (e.g. a fishing boat where 85% of people on-board got Covid) which show that nearly everyone is susceptible. There was some hope initially that exposure to other common cold coronaviruses could provide protection, but that also does not seem to be the case.

daydorunrun · 06-09-2020 08:58PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

We've been on 1777 deaths since August 22nd. Absolutely superb numbers and should not be lost in our obsession with case numbers.

Next 2 weeks will tell a lot;)

Plumbthedepths · 06-09-2020 09:03PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FatEmperor/status/1302677892267204609?s=20

Maybe we don't need herd immunity of 70%. We could be a lot closer than we think...

Serious disappointment for the pharmaceutical industry if true, which hopefully it is.

drunkmonkey · 06-09-2020 09:04PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

You don't seem to be able to comprehend the different between asymptomatic and presymptomatic. The waters aren't muddy, you just have poor eyesight.

Everytime anything about asymptomatic comes up you muddy things by bringing in presymptomatic. It literally only causes confusion and takes away from the point op was trying to highlight.
Yes presymptomatic exist but there not being noted on anything that's been brought forward, therefore it's ok to assume the asymptomatic as noted were not presymptomatic.

Strumms · 06-09-2020 09:06PM

PowerToWait wrote: »

Not going to happen, for the most part, in the likes of Ballyer, Clondalkin, Finglas, Tallaght, Crumlin, Cabra, Blanch.

Yep. Won’t happen because it’s impossible to police. Gardai in those areas would have their work cut out as it is. They don’t have numbers or X-ray vision to see through walls.

The fix for this is public behavior... but as we’ve seen there is a sizable number who only give a fûck about themselves and ‘their’ family and friends and seeing people.

Oblivious to the impact and strain being put on hospital staff, ambulance crews, Gardai... and people in the general community.

Lots of people are on waiting lists for treatments and procedures in hospitals. Non urgent perhaps but their quality of life is suffering because the system has been overwhelmed. People awaiting hip replacement, knee surgery all non ‘urgent’ orthopedic work.

owlbethere · 06-09-2020 09:06PM

The guidelines for the pubs to reopening are the same guidelines as the other gastro pubs and restaurants. Also it makes no sense. Why weren't they allowed open a few weeks ago with the other pubs? We had lower numbers in the middle of summer. Now that the numbers of cases are growing, there is consideration for the opening of the pubs.

odyssey06 · 06-09-2020 09:06PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Everytime anything about asymptomatic comes up you muddy things by bringing in presymptomatic. It literally only causes confusion and takes away from the point op was trying to highlight.
Yes presymptomatic exist but there not being noted on anything that's been brought forward, therefore it's ok to assume the asymptomatic as noted were not presymptomatic.

Re-read my post. The confusion is yours. It's not my fault reality is more complex than you try to paint it.

odyssey06 · 06-09-2020 09:07PM

owlbethere wrote: »

The guidelines for the pubs to reopening are the same guidelines as the other gastro pubs and restaurants. Also it makes no sense. Why weren't they allowed open a few weeks ago with the other pubs? We had lower numbers in the middle of summer. Now that the numbers of cases are growing, there is consideration for the opening of the pubs.

Because they don't trust a sizeable cohort of publicans to enforce the regs when most of their revenue comes from drink.
Different for restaurants and gastropubs.
Who can blame them? The €9 rule was brought in because the cute hoor publicans wanted to claim a "packae of Tayto" was a meal.

igCorcaigh · 06-09-2020 09:08PM

owlbethere wrote: »

The guidelines for the pubs to reopening are the same guidelines as the other gastro pubs and restaurants. Also it makes no sense. Why weren't they allowed open a few weeks ago with the other pubs? We had lower numbers in the middle of summer. Now that the numbers of cases are growing, there is consideration for the opening of the pubs.

I assume it was a wait and see approach to find if the pubs as restaurant caused a significant uptick in cases. Seems sensible to me.

06-09-2020 09:12PM

hmmm wrote: »

I know people are desperate to hear that there is some pre-existing immunity and we'll all get out of this, but it's not what the science is currently saying. In particular there have been studies in enclosed spaces (e.g. a fishing boat where 85% of people on-board got Covid) which show that nearly everyone is susceptible. There was some hope initially that exposure to other common cold coronaviruses could provide protection, but that also does not seem to be the case.

Just because a person tests positive for covid does not mean they can or are able to spread or that they are sick.

Of course there is immunity. Why else would people show no symptoms whatsoever?

drunkmonkey · 06-09-2020 09:14PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Re-read my post. The confusion is yours. It's not my fault reality is more complex than you try to paint it.

It literally says they traced infections and nobody got infected, why did you mention presymptomatic. It's irrelevant.

What Username Guidelines · 06-09-2020 09:17PM

hmmm wrote: »

I know people are desperate to hear that there is some pre-existing immunity and we'll all get out of this, but it's not what the science is currently saying. In particular there have been studies in enclosed spaces (e.g. a fishing boat where 85% of people on-board got Covid) which show that nearly everyone is susceptible. There was some hope initially that exposure to other common cold coronaviruses could provide protection, but that also does not seem to be the case.

Do you know much about previous pandemics (58/68) and how that strain of influenza effected the population? Was it a case of a new strain of flu that no one had immunity to? Or were there some with immunity due to previous/recent flu of different strains?

DebDynamite · 06-09-2020 09:18PM

If asymptomatic cases aren’t spreaders, how do you explain out of 85 cases or so in that meat factory, only 3 of them were symptomatic? I would doubt only those 3 people spread it to the other 85

odyssey06 · 06-09-2020 09:23PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It literally says they traced infections and nobody got infected, why did you mention presymptomatic. It's irrelevant.

What part of "That would be huge finding for spread" didn't speak to its significance?

It's entirely relevant as we have no test to determine if someone exposed to the virus is presymptomatic or asymptomatic except waiting X days.
Very important for policies on isolation, who to test etc.

odyssey06 · 06-09-2020 09:25PM

DebDynamite wrote: »

If asymptomatic cases aren’t spreaders, how do you explain out of 85 cases or so in that meat factory, only 3 of them were symptomatic? I would doubt only those 3 people spread it to the other 85

The conditions of meat factories with the chilled recirculated air could lend itself to super-spreader events?

drunkmonkey · 06-09-2020 09:26PM

DebDynamite wrote: »

If asymptomatic cases aren’t spreaders, how do you explain out of 85 cases or so in that meat factory, only 3 of them were symptomatic? I would doubt only those 3 people speed it to the other 85

It's quite possible 3 symptomatic could infect that number, I also don't trust what the meat processors were up to, my neighbor said it was a **** show they were all taking tablets to drop their temperature before the temp check on the way into work, I'd say there was a lot more symptomatic than we are lead to believe it's just they were never picked up or admitted to being symptomatic.

drunkmonkey · 06-09-2020 09:31PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

What part of "That would be huge finding for spread" didn't speak to its significance?

It's entirely relevant as we have no test to determine if someone exposed to the virus is presymptomatic or asymptomatic except waiting X days.
Very important for policies on isolation, who to test etc.

It's says they traced infections, there was none. It's black and white they hardly tested them 10 minutes after being in the room and went ah grand none of them had it. That wouldn't be considered tracking infection.
I assume they at the very least gave it 14days+ before coming to a conclusion.

ceadaoin. · 06-09-2020 09:31PM

DebDynamite wrote: »

If asymptomatic cases aren’t spreaders, how do you explain out of 85 cases or so in that meat factory, only 3 of them were symptomatic? I would doubt only those 3 people spread it to the other 85

Previous studies have found that just 10% of infected are responsible for 80% of the spread, most people do not transmit the virus to others. so its entirely possible that those 3 symptomatic people and the conditions of the factory led to a super spreading event.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/why-do-some-covid-19-patients-infect-many-others-whereas-most-don-t-spread-virus-all#

Strumms · 06-09-2020 09:33PM

owlbethere wrote: »

The guidelines for the pubs to reopening are the same guidelines as the other gastro pubs and restaurants. Also it makes no sense. Why weren't they allowed open a few weeks ago with the other pubs? We had lower numbers in the middle of summer. Now that the numbers of cases are growing, there is consideration for the opening of the pubs.

No other country on earth, will there be this obsession, absolute fruitcake obsession in the middle of a pandemic, a deadly pandemic of opening a non essential indoor business... where people consume significant levels of a drink that can, will impair judgments and encourage behaviors and lack of judgment that will lead to the spread of this awful virus... MAD. I’m a pub guy but I haven’t set foot in one since this shît show...I usually go to the pub after gym on Friday for food and drinks.. last Friday we sat in the car eating a salad... not exactly great but we were starving, 25 minutes from home and unwilling to risk it for a biscuit, or some roast beef.... zero point, WHY ???

Widdensushi · 06-09-2020 09:34PM

hmmm wrote: »

I know people are desperate to hear that there is some pre-existing immunity and we'll all get out of this, but it's not what the science is currently saying. In particular there have been studies in enclosed spaces (e.g. a fishing boat where 85% of people on-board got Covid) which show that nearly everyone is susceptible. There was some hope initially that exposure to other common cold coronaviruses could provide protection, but that also does not seem to be the case.

Not sure what fishing boat cases you are referring to but I presume when you say 85% you are talking about a small sample i.e single figures, the French aircraft carrier had approximately a third of the crew positive of 2000 sailors.

ShyMets · 06-09-2020 09:37PM

Strumms wrote: »

No other country on earth, will there be this obsession, absolute fruitcake obsession in the middle of a pandemic, a deadly pandemic of opening a non essential indoor business... where people consume significant levels of a drink that can, will impair judgments and encourage behaviors and lack of judgment that will lead to the spread of this awful virus... MAD. I’m a pub guy but I haven’t set foot in one since this shît show...I usually go to the pub after gym on Friday for food and drinks.. last Friday we sat in the car eating a salad... not exactly great but we were starving, 25 minutes from home and unwilling to risk it for a biscuit, or some roast beef.... zero point, WHY ???

Simply put some people are willing to risk it, myself included

Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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