Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings

risteard7 · 06-09-2020 07:34PM

I see Ronan Glynn's wife is a newsreader for RTE. Ah yea

manniot2 · 06-09-2020 07:39PM

risteard7 wrote: »

I see Ronan Glynn's wife is a newsreader for RTE. Ah yea

I didn’t give a flying fool about what happened in Clifden but it was very interesting to see the establishment clic in attendance - gov, judges,RTÉ. They all scratch each other’s backs.

end of the road · 06-09-2020 07:41PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

The same when I was in Hungary a couple of weeks ago.

Life going on as normal.

If people felt vulnerable, then it's their responsibility to look after themselves and avoid places they fell unsafe.

Until there is (if that happens) a vaccine, let those who want to live their normal lives do so. Those that need to protect themselves, it's up to their households to sort themselves out.

those who want to live their lives normally can do so, with some restrictions.
having no restrictions what soever and telling vulnerable groups and their households to sort themselves out is not viable as it doesn't actually protect those who need to be protected the most and it potentially means them being able to take less part in society due to the higher risks.
having some restrictions on us all lowers the risk/minimizes it and allows the vulnerable groups to take part more in society and reap the benefits of living mostly normally while managing the risks for themselves.

manniot2 · 06-09-2020 07:44PM

end of the road wrote: »

those who want to live their lives normally can do so, with some restrictions.
having no restrictions what soever and telling vulnerable groups and their households to sort themselves out is not viable as it doesn't actually protect those who need to be protected the most and it potentially means them being able to take less part in society due to the higher risks.
having some restrictions on us all lowers the risk/minimizes it and allows the vulnerable groups to take part more in society and reap the benefits of living mostly normally while managing the risks for themselves.

I agree we need to protect vulnerable people but every second person I meet seems to be vulnerable in some shape or form. Are they really all in trouble if they get Covid? Seems incredible the amount of people who think they’re doomed if the get it. I’m not doubting a few are especially very very old.

Spanish Eyes · 06-09-2020 07:47PM

manniot2 wrote: »

I didn’t give a flying fool about what happened in Clifden but it was very interesting to see the establishment clic in attendance - gov, judges,RTÉ. They all scratch each other’s backs.

The Clifden Gang are the only ones we know about lol. But you are right, it's a total clique and God help ya if you are not in the inner circle.

Bet Phil is raging he ever engaged though, it can bite you in the butt now and then though. Wonder what his next move is with another inner circle. Probably WTO or something. He won't see a poor day again anyway, and the Supreme Court Judge seems to be safe enough under the cloak of separation of Gov and Judiciary. Handy that.

06-09-2020 07:52PM

Lundstram wrote: »

Are you for real? It's constantly first item on every news media source. Everybody talks about it everyday.

You are talking crap.

Some families have a covid conversation ban in their homes.

Not in mine. :eek:

06-09-2020 07:57PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Once a vaccine comes available how quickly after that can we expect to see a society free of restrictions?

Interesting question.

Everyone wants to see end point.

I think everything will be gradual.

Gradually government will control virus.

Gradually it will be treated better.

Gradually vaccine rolled out.

Summer 2021 will be normal.

All guesswork tbh.

Testing is what government should be focused on. Imagine we were all able to test ourselves once a week with no labs needed. If the technology and logistics were there this could be controlled quite easily. This is how we get back to normal. The vaccine will not be a light bulb day. Vaccines will be evolving all the time. Testing needed for next 12 months min.

Penfailed · 06-09-2020 08:12PM

Lundstram wrote: »

No one here is talking about it, just getting on with life. Back home it consumes every waking moment of your life.

Really? I barely think about it until I dip back into this thread.

Penfailed · 06-09-2020 08:14PM

Lundstram wrote: »

Are you for real? It's constantly first item on every news media source. Everybody talks about it everyday.

You are talking crap.

I don't listen to the news. No one that I work with talks about it every day. It's background noise in my life.

end of the road · 06-09-2020 08:37PM

manniot2 wrote: »

I agree we need to protect vulnerable people but every second person I meet seems to be vulnerable in some shape or form. Are they really all in trouble if they get Covid? Seems incredible the amount of people who think they’re doomed if the get it. I’m not doubting a few are especially very very old.

i guess a lot won't be vulnerable, some will be vulnerable and will know about it, i suspect there will be some who are vulnerable but won't know about it but how many of those there are i certainly couldn't say.

FintanMcluskey · 06-09-2020 08:53PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Really? I barely think about it until I dip back into this thread.

You must not be very observant

Penfailed · 06-09-2020 09:19PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

You must not be very observant

It doesn't consume every waking moment of my life, that's for sure.

Assetbacked · 06-09-2020 09:46PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/as-the-fight-goes-on-we-need-to-stay-vigilant-39506620.html

This article should come with a warning it is a promotional feature. How is this allowed in such an important area such as health?
Hasn't Luke O'Neil invested in a company manufacturing a vaccine? It is effectively stating the 'fight' aka 'restrictions' on our lives will continue until the vaccine becomes available.

Luke O'Neill "I need the fight to go on, in order for my business to succeed".

patnor1011 · 06-09-2020 10:05PM

Penfailed wrote: »

You think that there will be restrictions forever? Even if this magical vaccine becomes available? Bit melodramatic.

Not really. Take all powers governments introduced after 9/11. None of them disappeared as they made war on terror permanent.
Quite easy to make something like the war on viruses and permanent too.

patnor1011 · 06-09-2020 10:10PM

end of the road wrote: »

not strictly true.
we know that there have been some very healthy before hand people who got this, recovered and have serious after effects such as lung damage etc.
anyway yes, deaths are very low and even none a lot of days now, no doubt all thanks to what we did to suppress it.

Very few odd cases as happens with nearly every virus. Some people do have lasting damage from flu. Nothing to see here as absolute majority do not have any issues whatsoever.

patnor1011 · 06-09-2020 10:24PM

end of the road wrote: »

those who want to live their lives normally can do so, with some restrictions.
having no restrictions what soever and telling vulnerable groups and their households to sort themselves out is not viable as it doesn't actually protect those who need to be protected the most and it potentially means them being able to take less part in society due to the higher risks.

Vulnerable people were already excluded from some "parts of society" due to constraints their illness or age puts on them. What you are saying is absolute nonsense and reeks of entitlement attitude.

In other words, if vulnerable people cant do some things then nobody else should be allowed so? Unbelievable.

end of the road wrote: »

having some restrictions on us all lowers the risk/minimizes it and allows the vulnerable groups to take part more in society and reap the benefits of living mostly normally while managing the risks for themselves.

Posing like a victim fighting for some worthy humanitarian cause used to get people some points. I am as vulnerable as one can be and yet I refuse this false martyrdom being forced to absolute majority of the people. Mainly when it is pointless as I am the best judge of what is good for me and what is not.

patnor1011 · 06-09-2020 10:27PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Some families have a covid conversation ban in their homes.

Not in mine. :eek:

Some families have a covid conversation fun in their homes. Constant fearfest hype we get from every media made some people to literally to lose the plot.

patnor1011 · 06-09-2020 10:30PM

end of the road wrote: »

i suspect there will be some who are vulnerable but won't know about it but how many of those there are i certainly couldn't say.

Nobody can. We literally stopped cancer screening and all other medical services are severely restricted. People have to beg their GP to be seen otherwise it is just a phone call appointment.

Penfailed · 06-09-2020 10:38PM

patnor1011 wrote: »

Not really. Take all powers governments introduced after 9/11. None of them disappeared as they made war on terror permanent.
Quite easy to make something like the war on viruses and permanent too.

So, which restrictions do you think will last forever?

walus · 06-09-2020 11:02PM

Penfailed wrote: »

So, which restrictions do you think will last forever?

Restriction to think independently.

Hand in Your Pants · 06-09-2020 11:06PM

They need to go the other way with it, sort these morans out once and for all, bring in curfews and the app on every phone, temperature check going into any shop, etc. Etc. Etc. Otherwise these morans, which are everywhere, will poison the whole community due to conspiracies or ignorance.

Plumbthedepths · 06-09-2020 11:08PM

Hand in Your Pants wrote: »

They need to go the other way with it, sort these morans out once and for all, bring in curfews and the app on every phone, temperature check going into any shop, etc. Etc. Etc. Otherwise these morans, which are everywhere, will poison the whole community due to conspiracies or ignorance.

1/10 to be successful you have to be subtle. You're trying to hard.
Learn to spell aswell.

Penfailed · 06-09-2020 11:09PM

Hand in Your Pants wrote: »

They need to go the other way with it, sort these morans out once and for all, bring in curfews and the app on every phone, temperature check going into any shop, etc. Etc. Etc. Otherwise these morans, which are everywhere, will poison the whole community due to conspiracies or ignorance.

I think you mean 'moron'? I know a couple of Morans from different families of Morans. They're sound.

Plumbthedepths · 06-09-2020 11:11PM

Penfailed wrote: »

I think you mean 'moron'...?

He might just hate the Moran's, I know a lad with that same last name bit of a dick tbh.

siblers · 06-09-2020 11:17PM

Cork has been very good for masks but was down in Blackrock for the market today, zero social distancing, no sanitising stations and no masks by the public and most stalls had no masks either. I've no idea how they are allowed get away with it. There was well over a 100 people on top of each other in a very small space. It was no better than that event in Dublin a couple weeks back

Can't understand how that's OK but pubs can't open or we can't have spectators.

CBear1993 · 06-09-2020 11:21PM

These morans seem to have upset our friend. Maybe they didn’t put the proverbial “ hand down his pants “

bucketybuck · 07-09-2020 09:23AM

siblers wrote: »

Cork has been very good for masks but was down in Blackrock for the market today, zero social distancing, no sanitising stations and no masks by the public and most stalls had no masks either. I've no idea how they are allowed get away with it. There was well over a 100 people on top of each other in a very small space. It was no better than that event in Dublin a couple weeks back

Can't understand how that's OK but pubs can't open or we can't have spectators.

No social distancing. No sanitising stations. No masks. No idea. No better.

No deaths.

_Kaiser_ · 07-09-2020 09:27AM

I'm listening to Pat Kenny here and listeners are texting in "telling tales" of pubs not enforcing food orders or wiping tables quickly enough etc.

As I said few days ago, CV-19 is the perfect environment for these curtain twitching sorts to complain about what others are "getting away with" :rolleyes: - if they're that fearful of "the virus" they should probably not be out in a pub to be honest.

07-09-2020 12:11PM

We originally went into lockdown based on models and expert advice that predicted some truly horrific doomsday like scenarios. People were thinking that the death toll in Ireland could be a 5 or even 6 figure number.

The more data we collected, it quickly started to become very clear that it was nowhere near as serious as we thought it would be. Every single stat available to us backs that up.

And yet here we are 6 months later getting ready to announce a new 9 month plan for living with Covid... A plan that I assume will include plenty of restrictions on us long into next year...

When did the goalposts move? When did we go from trying to prevent thousands of deaths to just desperately trying to keep the numbers as low as we possibly can? Why did this happen?
Is it a political thing? FF don't want to be seen as worse than FG? Or as a country we want to look as good as possible in a global event?
Is it just a lack of leadership/responsibility?
Something tells me that this new plan is just going to be more nonsense restrictions with no end in sight.

Be interesting to see if the protests this weekend get a higher attendance.

topper75 · 07-09-2020 12:32PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I'm listening to Pat Kenny here and listeners are texting in "telling tales" of pubs not enforcing food orders or wiping tables quickly enough etc.

As I said few days ago, CV-19 is the perfect environment for these curtain twitching sorts to complain about what others are "getting away with" :rolleyes: - if they're that fearful of "the virus" they should probably not be out in a pub to be honest.

Pat will present them as the voice of the 'people' sharing 'concerns'. But of course we all know that you have to be a certain type to ring/text a radio station like that.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings