Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings

03-09-2020 04:11PM

Well.. the guy that leaks the figures posted and guess how many deaths we have today? Zero again.

PTH2009 · 03-09-2020 04:15PM

Could almsot every government end up in a situation where they have egg on there races and turn the virus is actually not as bad as feared and up there with the normal flu

03-09-2020 04:25PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Could almsot every government end up in a situation where they have egg on there races and turn the virus is actually not as bad as feared and up there with the normal flu

Well, we went into lockdown based on expert advice and models that seemed to show hundreds of thousands of infections and a huge death toll.

Now some people will believe that lockdown is the only reason that it didn't happen. But we have plenty of evidence from countries like Sweden that the death toll would have never been anything to close to some of the numbers suggested.

It is already obvious that the virus is nowhere near as bad as feared. Not even remotely close. The death rate is tiny and the only people really at risk are usually very old with a few underlying issues.

At this point, the restrictions are completely disproportionate to the actual problem and the solution will be worse than the actual virus.

Assetbacked · 03-09-2020 04:45PM

At the same time, it is a good de-escalation of the economic stress of the past few years. Large net immigration in Ireland has caused a catastrophic housing crisis, in particular an affordable housing crisis (especially in the rental market). The most vulnerable in an economic sense from this crisis are the younger, lower paid workers who are likely to be renting. The OTT response to the pandemic has completely squashed new demand for rentals and even extracted a lot of renters out of the market to return to their own countries or to their family homes in the case of Irish people. Separately, the airline industry has run riot the past few years with its growth and we are in desperate need of a form of reset for that whole industry so by crushing demand for its services due to the OTT reaction to covid, we have enacted this badly needed reset. The animal agriculture industry is similarly in the economic firing line and it was already suffering pre-covid so it may end up consolidating and becoming smaller. I'm conflicted as a result, as the OTT restrictions are heavy handed but it has taken some heat out of the economy which is a good thing.

bucketybuck · 03-09-2020 07:12PM

Yet again the number of deaths that could possibly be linked to covid today are zero. Government officials are said to be very concerned, and a headline on the national broadcasters website reads "No-one is indestructible".

CruelSummer · 03-09-2020 07:38PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Yet again the number of deaths that could possibly be linked to covid today are zero. Government officials are said to be very concerned, and a headline on the national broadcasters website reads "No-one is indestructible".

The RTÉ doctor’s story is interesting but there’s a number of assumptions in the report.
1. It seems he never actually tested positive for Covid 19?
2. They assume the link between Covid and his condition that developed at a later date. Is this medically proven? Is there a medical condition such as ‘post-Covid-syndrome’ out there? I’m surprised the HSE & the nutty professors of Killeen, Ryan, Scally et al. didn’t fill our media and airwaves with this. Or maybe they did as I’ve stopped listening to them a long time ago.

On the note of these charming Professors, who are now able to predict the future unlike any other human being on Earth, telling us of ‘four more deadly waves’ etc,...if we ever come out of this in one piece. There should be an investigation into their role & conflicts of interest in this crisis.
I’m highly suspicious of their motives for multiple media appearances & constant fear mongering over the virus.

Gael23 · 03-09-2020 08:01PM

The new measures introduced by failte Ireland are farcical

Silentcorner · 03-09-2020 08:21PM

Gael23 wrote: »

The new measures introduced by failte Ireland are farcical

Let me guess...when we visit another county we have to wear clown outfits?

bloopy · 03-09-2020 09:16PM

Gael23 wrote: »

The new measures introduced by failte Ireland are farcical

The more unworkable rules they bring in, the less people will pay attention to the rules.

Gael23 · 03-09-2020 09:41PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Let me guess...when we visit another county we have to wear clown outfits?

Restaurants must now keep a record of what food customers order to price it’s a “substantial meal”

Erranged · 03-09-2020 09:44PM

What's a substantial meal now?

Toby22 · 03-09-2020 09:50PM

Hi, I know in a restaurant/hotel tables and chairs have to be cleaned between customers. I was in a food place in Dundrum Town Centre today and We got up to go and immediately three people sat at our table. Our plates and cups hadn’t been cleaned away. I was waiting for my son and saw a guy clear the plates but to the best of my knowledge he didn’t wipe the table and he most certainly didn’t wipe the seats as the customers remained seated. I emailed the company earlier but have yet to hear back. I googled COVID cleaning procedures but pages and pages of stuff was mind boggling. Can anybody direct me to a webpage that lists the procedures

FintanMcluskey · 03-09-2020 09:53PM

Toby22 wrote: »

Hi, I know in a restaurant/hotel tables and chairs have to be cleaned between customers. I was in a food place in Dundrum Town Centre today and We got up to go and immediately three people sat at our table. Our plates and cups hadn’t been cleaned away. I was waiting for my son and saw a guy clear the plates but to the best of my knowledge he didn’t wipe the table and he most certainly didn’t wipe the seats as the customers remained seated. I emailed the company earlier but have yet to hear back. I googled COVID cleaning procedures but pages and pages of stuff was mind boggling. Can anybody direct me to a webpage that lists the procedures

Think you need to call the Guards immediately, they could be the cost of many lives with that behavior?

_Kaiser_ · 03-09-2020 09:58PM

Watched the 6.1 news earlier and the headline was how a lot of people aren't turning up for the test when they're referred. I'm not surprised. At this stage the constant negativity and predictions of doom when there are yet again no deaths today and very few in hospital, coupled with farcical rules like keeping track of who had what to eat for a month has completely desensitised people.

This is what happens when you cry wolf so often I guess.

_Kaiser_ · 03-09-2020 10:01PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Well, we went into lockdown based on expert advice and models that seemed to show hundreds of thousands of infections and a huge death toll.

Now some people will believe that lockdown is the only reason that it didn't happen. But we have plenty of evidence from countries like Sweden that the death toll would have never been anything to close to some of the numbers suggested.

It is already obvious that the virus is nowhere near as bad as feared. Not even remotely close. The death rate is tiny and the only people really at risk are usually very old with a few underlying issues.

At this point, the restrictions are completely disproportionate to the actual problem and the solution will be worse than the actual virus.

Spot on. It's been that way since mid June really. Yet we continue to have TDs talking down to and scolding the population for being bold, and bringing in more stupid rules and restrictions regardless.

I think only mass Irish Water-style public protests will reset things a bit. It's already starting in other countries.

Lundstram · 03-09-2020 10:10PM

So much media bias it's actually bewildering.

They had some upstart 23 year old doctor on the radio on the way home from work talking about how he contracted the virus and how badly it affected him. He's all over my Twitter feed when I got home. Then the attention seeker turned up on the 9 o'clock news.

They really are pushing the 'this affects young people too' agenda. The guy wasn't even 100% sure it was actually Covid19 that made him so sick as he had irregular symtoms. A doctor, apparently!

I make it 16 days with no deaths now (correct me if I'm wrong).

The nanny state sh1t show rolls on, however.

bucketybuck · 03-09-2020 10:15PM

Toby22 wrote: »

Hi, I know in a restaurant/hotel tables and chairs have to be cleaned between customers. I was in a food place in Dundrum Town Centre today and We got up to go and immediately three people sat at our table. Our plates and cups hadn’t been cleaned away. I was waiting for my son and saw a guy clear the plates but to the best of my knowledge he didn’t wipe the table and he most certainly didn’t wipe the seats as the customers remained seated. I emailed the company earlier but have yet to hear back. I googled COVID cleaning procedures but pages and pages of stuff was mind boggling. Can anybody direct me to a webpage that lists the procedures

Oh no, thats just awful. Thoughts and prayers.

I wish I could help on the website but I don't know where I'd go to learn how to wipe things down.

FintanMcluskey · 03-09-2020 10:15PM

Lundstram wrote: »

I make it 16 days with no deaths now (correct me if I'm wrong).

I've heard through a usually unreliable source (work collegue) that no death's occurred in August.

The fact the source is unreliable, but the death stats are smoke and mirrors has me confused.

Does anyone know if any deaths actually occurred in August?

dubdaymo · 03-09-2020 10:19PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Restaurants must now keep a record of what food customers order to price it’s a “substantial meal”

The so-called experts are clearly paranoid. We had enough of the curse of INFALLIBILTY in this country for a long long time and we don't need any more of it.

It's actually time for them to be disbanded and taken off the air. Anyone can count and examine statistics but we need people with common sense to start making the decisions rather than those who have no concept of how real life works and have nothing to offer other than a tunnel vision agenda seeking a 0/0 result.

Poorside · 03-09-2020 10:22PM

Are we getting food police to keep on top of this? Great way to use resources, going through receipts.

FintanMcluskey · 03-09-2020 10:23PM

Poorside wrote: »

Are we getting food police to keep on top of this? Great way to use resources, going through receipts.

Its a police state

Itssoeasy · 03-09-2020 10:34PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Watched the 6.1 news earlier and the headline was how a lot of people aren't turning up for the test when they're referred. I'm not surprised. At this stage the constant negativity and predictions of doom when there are yet again no deaths today and very few in hospital, coupled with farcical rules like keeping track of who had what to eat for a month has completely desensitised people.

This is what happens when you cry wolf so often I guess.

And that many people not turning is not good but yes I agree the government since they came into office and NPHET have given bad/contradictory advice and then the clifden mess which on top of everything else has not helped. The current government have nobody to blame for this mess in having a clear message to the country but themselves. Michael Martin is Taoiseach and the team captain and he’s not helped his team out.

mikekerry · 03-09-2020 10:34PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Its a police state

It's a muppet state.

funnydoggy · 03-09-2020 10:43PM

Another day of 100~ cases. If we have roughly this figure from now on per day and in younger people we'll be doing alright.

What's concerning is, if the virus affects the older, vulnerable population again. What do you think about that?

FintanMcluskey · 03-09-2020 10:55PM

funnydoggy wrote: »

What's concerning is, if the virus affects the older, vulnerable population again. What do you think about that?

If the vulnerable get their magic passport and keep track of their diet and bowel movements I think things will be ok TBH

Plumbthedepths · 03-09-2020 10:56PM

funnydoggy wrote: »

Another day of 100~ cases. If we have roughly this figure from now on per day and in younger people we'll be doing alright.

What's concerning is, if the virus affects the older, vulnerable population again. What do you think about that?

What do we do? lockup everyone to protect the elderly and vulnerable or advise those at risk to protect themselves and allow the rest of the population to get on with life. You may think its selfish but the definition of selfishness is expecting those least at risk to suffer needlessly.

patnor1011 · 03-09-2020 10:59PM

Allinall wrote: »

You said they decided "covid was the only death worth preventing".

Have they suddenly done away with speed limits on the roads?

Has the ambulance services been suspended and injured people left lying there?

Have all the A & E departments been closed down?

Your statement was, and still is bull****.

What you mentioned is irrelevant when compared to statistics. About a third of deaths in Ireland in the last few years are cancer cases. So yes, by elevating covid while suspending cancer screening and some treatment too, cure was worse than a disease.

Jinglejangle69 · 03-09-2020 11:08PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Watched the 6.1 news earlier and the headline was how a lot of people aren't turning up for the test when they're referred. I'm not surprised. At this stage the constant negativity and predictions of doom when there are yet again no deaths today and very few in hospital, coupled with farcical rules like keeping track of who had what to eat for a month has completely desensitised people.

This is what happens when you cry wolf so often I guess.

100% Kaiser.

patnor1011 · 03-09-2020 11:10PM

Toby22 wrote: »

Hi, I know in a restaurant/hotel tables and chairs have to be cleaned between customers. I was in a food place in Dundrum Town Centre today and We got up to go and immediately three people sat at our table. Our plates and cups hadn’t been cleaned away. I was waiting for my son and saw a guy clear the plates but to the best of my knowledge he didn’t wipe the table and he most certainly didn’t wipe the seats as the customers remained seated. I emailed the company earlier but have yet to hear back. I googled COVID cleaning procedures but pages and pages of stuff was mind boggling. Can anybody direct me to a webpage that lists the procedures

If you’re afraid of wolves, don’t go to the woods.

road_high · 03-09-2020 11:28PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Watched the 6.1 news earlier and the headline was how a lot of people aren't turning up for the test when they're referred. I'm not surprised. At this stage the constant negativity and predictions of doom when there are yet again no deaths today and very few in hospital, coupled with farcical rules like keeping track of who had what to eat for a month has completely desensitised people.

This is what happens when you cry wolf so often I guess.

Have to admit I had a little smile to myself today when I heard that on the radio- people are voting with their feet here. They perceive fcuk all risk from the virus and place it in such low importance that they couldn’t be arsed with the rig morale of going for a test. The vast majority I think are done with the headbangers and choosing normality or “Choose life” ala Trainspotting

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings