How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

smellyoldboot · 03-09-2020 08:38PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Tell me how we are going to educate children for the next 18 months then?

If we only we had of had an interim period say 4 or 5 months even to come up with safer solutions. Yeah that would have great. C'est La Vie eh.

meeeeh · 03-09-2020 08:43PM

Purplewaters wrote: »

I actually knew there would be lots of cases because the numbers aren't low at all but what I am wonrering about is how jt will spread, I think thats the issue. If there was proper distancing there might be a hope but I thibk it will take a few weeks to see what will happen. On a different note is there any chance it's more treatable? I can't figure out what is going on with it all to be honest.

Of course it's more treatable. The doctors learned a lot in first half of the year and some medicines are proven to help with treatment. It's also among younger population which doesn't seem to be getting as sick. Social distancing and other measures ard helping so viral load in a lot of cases is probably smaller than it would be (severity of infection also depends on how much of the virus you catch).

meeeeh · 03-09-2020 08:48PM

smellyoldboot wrote: »

If we only we had of had an interim period say 4 or 5 months even to come up with safer solutions. Yeah that would have great. C'est La Vie eh.

Not tge homeschooling and blended learning again... I never saw mine as delighted to be in school. Cocooners can keep punishing their kids with homeschooling but the rest of us are delighted kids are back in relatively normal circumstances.

Locotastic · 03-09-2020 08:50PM

meeeeh wrote: »

Not tge homeschooling and blended learning again... I never saw mine as delighted to be in school. Cocooners can keep punishing their kids with homeschooling but the rest of us are delighted kids are back in relatively normal circumstances.

It's definitely good to be back, strange at first to see all the school kids around and being happy, acting normal, made it feel a bit like the whole thing never happened.

Will Yam · 03-09-2020 08:50PM

markodaly wrote: »

Some are indeed teaching, but just a look back on this thread for the past few weeks, one will see large scale neurosis about the prospect of teachers going back into a class, with all the moral panic coming from their unions to boot.

The sky has not fallen in, and people are not dropping dead like flies.

I heard the Asti guy at the Covid waffle shop in the dail talking about teachers who have serious illnesses (heart disease, acute kidney issues, cancer).

Does anybody know how many?

And would these people be teaching if there were no Covid?

Will Yam · 03-09-2020 08:52PM

meeeeh wrote: »

Of course it's more treatable. The doctors learned a lot in first half of the year and some medicines are proven to help with treatment. It's also among younger population which doesn't seem to be getting as sick. Social distancing and other measures ard helping so viral load in a lot of cases is probably smaller than it would be (severity of infection also depends on how much of the virus you catch).

Yes, Luke ONeill was on radio yesterday saying they have learned a lot about treatments and it is far better than it was in March.

03-09-2020 08:55PM

smellyoldboot wrote: »

If we only we had of had an interim period say 4 or 5 months even to come up with safer solutions. Yeah that would have great. C'est La Vie eh.

Build new schools in 4 to 5 months? Homeschooling or 50% is only an option for secondary school, and even then a majority of teens don’t have the maturity or inner directed traits make a success of it, especially when a large portion of those don’t have parents who either can’t due to financial contstraints requiring them to work, or won’t due to socio economic factors, provide the necessary support to those kids. Not to mention the variable broadband infrastructure in parts of the country.

There is also the potential long term impact of a significant portion of the workforce having to take large periods of time off

khalessi · 03-09-2020 08:55PM

Will Yam wrote: »

I heard the Asti guy at the Covid waffle shop in the dail talking about teachers who have serious illnesses (heart disease, acute kidney issues, cancer).

Does anybody know how many?

And would these people be teaching if there were no Covid?

Yes they would have been if there was no Covid about 750 some have multiple illnesses and were considered very high risk by their consultants but down graded by Medmark to high risk and told to go back to work. Medmark which is owned by Robert Ryan brother of Eammon Ryan and whose company apparently got the contract during the last FF GP government

I heard a figure of just over 700 not verified though and only 73 remained very high risk after been sent to Medmark

khalessi · 03-09-2020 08:57PM

Locotastic wrote: »

It's definitely good to be back, strange at first to see all the school kids around and being happy, acting normal, made it feel a bit like the whole thing never happened.

Yep except the kids know everything is not normal especially with the segregated groups classes, roped off yards and copious amounts of time handwashing and masks everywhere. No rose tinted glasses for them

Will Yam · 03-09-2020 08:57PM

khalessi wrote: »

Yes they would have been if there was no Covid about 750 some have multiple illnesses and were considered very high risk by their consultants but down graded by Medmark to high risk and told to go back to work. Medmark which is owned by Robert Ryan brother of Eammon Ryan and whose company apparently got the contract during the last FF GP government

I heard a figure of just over 700 not verified though and only 73 remained very high risk after been sent to Medmark

What is the relevance of the ownership of medmark?

73 out of thousands of teachers is hardly a deluge.

Will Yam · 03-09-2020 08:58PM

khalessi wrote: »

Yep except the kids know everything is not normal especially with the segregated groups classes, roped off yards and copious amounts of time handwashing and masks everywhere. No rose tinted glasses for them

That may be a good thing.

khalessi · 03-09-2020 08:59PM

Will Yam wrote: »

That may be a good thing.

Well they know what they are dealing with, thats for sure.

Difficult for the kids whose friends are in other classes though

03-09-2020 09:02PM

khalessi wrote: »

Yes they would have been if there was no Covid about 750 some have multiple illnesses and were considered very high risk by their consultants but down graded by Medmark to high risk and told to go back to work. Medmark which is owned by Robert Ryan brother of Eammon Ryan and whose company apparently got the contract during the last FF GP government

I heard a figure of just over 700 not verified though and only 73 remained very high risk after been sent to Medmark

I know someone, in the private sector, with ulcerative colitis who was certified off work by his consultant for 3 months due to Covid risk, yet as nasty as that condition can be, the research suggests those with such conditions are not at increased risk due to Covid-19. This is why independent review is done

meeeeh · 03-09-2020 09:05PM

khalessi wrote: »

Yep except the kids know everything is not normal especially with the segregated groups classes, roped off yards and copious amounts of time handwashing and masks everywhere. No rose tinted glasses for them

It's on parents and other adults in their life if they are overly anxious because of that.

Mine are not the most caring pair on the planet and once they were told it doesn't overly affect most kids they couldn't care less.

byhookorbycrook · 03-09-2020 09:10PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I know someone, in the private sector, with ulcerative colitis who was certified off work by his consultant for 3 months due to Covid risk, yet as nasty as that condition can be, the research suggests those with such conditions are not at increased risk due to Covid-19. This is why independent review is done

I’d be led by the consultant who is actually treating the person, rather than Medmark using a U.K. algorithm.

khalessi · 03-09-2020 09:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I know someone, in the private sector, with ulcerative colitis who was certified off work by his consultant for 3 months due to Covid risk, yet as nasty as that condition can be, the research suggests those with such conditions are not at increased risk due to Covid-19. This is why independent review is done

Yu pindeed it is, but I have an issue with a consultants diagnosis being queried by someone who does not know the patient's history. Also Medmark have down graded people who have had multiple ailments such as cancer and a transplant which is madness. There is speculation that Medmark have been instructed to downgrade patients, it would be worth investigating.

And regarding that consultant you do not know the ins and outs sometimes more outs of Ulcerative Colitis, it can be a very debilitating illness and you can be left immunosurpressed depending on the medications you are on. I have nursed people with U.C. and they can be very ill. It could be due to medications or secondary conditions that led the consultant to consider his patient very high risk.

Purplewaters · 03-09-2020 09:18PM

I feel it is probably a lot more than 73. Realistically if you think of it as being like paying 100 extra people maternity leave or sick leave and in fact they would be working from home if the government could just organise things properly. The amount of time spent on paperwork in schools , this could be given to people working from home along with remote teaching of vulnerable kids. Let's be realistic it all came down to money. Ironically most of these high risk people were probably never on the dole etc in their lives and now look how the one time they need some support or extra provisions they get screwed over.

Blondini · 03-09-2020 09:29PM

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

I’d be led by the consultant who is actually treating the person, rather than Medmark using a U.K. algorithm.

I think someone over on the teaching forum successfully appealed to MEDMARK to get reclassified as very high risk.

Icyseanfitz · 03-09-2020 09:37PM

meeeeh wrote: »

It's on parents and other adults in their life if they are overly anxious because of that.

Mine are not the most caring pair on the planet and once they were told it doesn't overly affect most kids they couldn't care less.

I take it you imparted on them the fact that they need to properly think of the safety of their fellow students, teachers snas and other school staff?

Blondini · 03-09-2020 09:39PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

I take it you imparted on them the fact that they need to properly think of the safety of their fellow students, teachers snas and other school staff?

Hahaha good one!

(I wouldn't say so)

meeeeh · 03-09-2020 09:46PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

I take it you imparted on them the fact that they need to properly think of the safety of their fellow students, teachers snas and other school staff?

Yes I did. Their teachers are good I think but they could be like Blondini and then free childcare would really be the only thing they would be getting from school. So better be prepared just in case.

As I said I don't think there is an issue for mine but the scary thing is he apparently teaches somewhere.

Blondini · 03-09-2020 09:49PM

meeeeh wrote: »

Yes I did. Their teachers are good I think but they could be like Blondini and then free childcare would really be the only thing they would be getting from school. So better be prepared just in case.

As I said I don't think there is an issue for mine but the scary thing is he apparently teaches somewhere.

Lol

Locotastic · 03-09-2020 09:51PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I know someone, in the private sector, with ulcerative colitis who was certified off work by his consultant for 3 months due to Covid risk, yet as nasty as that condition can be, the research suggests those with such conditions are not at increased risk due to Covid-19. This is why independent review is done

Immunosuppressants are a treatment for colitis depending on the severity of the illness.

wirelessdude01 · 03-09-2020 10:02PM

meeeeh wrote: »

Yes I did. Their teachers are good I think but they could be like Blondini and then free childcare would really be the only thing they would be getting from school. So better be prepared just in case.

As I said I don't think there is an issue for mine but the scary thing is he apparently teaches somewhere.

Always assumed Blondini was a she.

Locotastic · 03-09-2020 10:09PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Always assumed Blondini was a she.

Apparently not but I could see how you'd think that

Locotastic · 03-09-2020 10:12PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

I take it you imparted on them the fact that they need to properly think of the safety of their fellow students, teachers snas and other school staff?

They have been living the past few months too so I'm sure they are well aware by now, I think they understand it more than some adults.

Scoondal · 03-09-2020 10:41PM

In my daughter's school ... 2 teachers off sick today and now my daughter is very sick with a fever.
We ( 2 adults and 2 children ) have not had a cold since January because we have taken a common sense approach to virus spread. I go to the supermarket every 2 or 3 days. We eat in restaurants or cafés twice a week. We had a 2 week holiday in France. Nothing.
After 3 days back in school .....

s1ippy · 03-09-2020 10:48PM

Blondini wrote: »

I think someone over on the teaching forum successfully appealed to MEDMARK to get reclassified as very high risk.

Not until after they had gone in for a week though.

Queried · 03-09-2020 11:17PM

Scoondal wrote: »

In my daughter's school ... 2 teachers off sick today and now my daughter is very sick with a fever.
We ( 2 adults and 2 children ) have not had a cold since January because we have taken a common sense approach to virus spread. I go to the supermarket every 2 or 3 days. We eat in restaurants or cafés twice a week. We had a 2 week holiday in France. Nothing.
After 3 days back in school .....

I hope your daughter starts to feel better soon and that it's nothing more than one of the usual back to school illnesses. Teachers could be being very cautious, I know I would not go to school if I had anything that could be considered a symptom because I would be so afraid of potentially passing on something. Fingers crossed for you.

smellyoldboot · 04-09-2020 12:36AM

Queried wrote: »

I hope your daughter starts to feel better soon and that it's nothing more than one of the usual back to school illnesses. Teachers could be being very cautious, I know I would not go to school if I had anything that could be considered a symptom because I would be so afraid of potentially passing on something. Fingers crossed for you.

I detect more than a whiff of sarcasm.

How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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