How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

khalessi · 03-09-2020 07:19PM

markodaly wrote: »

Some are indeed teaching, but just a look back on this thread for the past few weeks, one will see large scale neurosis about the prospect of teachers going back into a class, with all the moral panic coming from their unions to boot.

The sky has not fallen in, and people are not dropping dead like flies.

Dear Mark whose posts constantly troll us. Teachers like nurses and other HCW were stating their concerns about this virus which is perfectly normal. If you didnt like it you could choose not to post, but you do as you like to troll.

Of course the reopening was a success as teachers are professionals and managed despite the woeful guidelines and as has been pointed by others are teaching. But part of our job is to act as health constultants granted by the government, who else spots when children become ill in school and are observing for signs of illness, also if you look at the curriculum you will see that teaching about health and wellbeing in its different forms, is a large part of what we do as some parents cannot be trusted to do it. Thank you for your concerns.

Blondini · 03-09-2020 07:19PM

markodaly wrote: »

All in all, I think the school re-opening has been a great success.

Ah Marko me oul mucker.

Now I don't want to upset you, but only a handful of schools have fully opened, and most secondary schools ( you might call them "Big schools") are not opening fully until next week.

We've had at least 5 cases in 2 days in this tiny fraction of full reopening.

A great success indeed my simple little friend. A great success!

virginmediapls · 03-09-2020 07:20PM

markodaly wrote: »

That is their own fault to be honest. Constantly complaining and giving out, while all the public want of them is for them to teach their kids. Nothing more, nothing less.

Seems like there's only one person in this thread constantly complaining and giving out.

Have a look in the mirror, kiddo.

Grandeeod · 03-09-2020 07:22PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

This is something that I've been wondering, who is meant to enforce things on the bus?

I guess they were meant to do it themselves, I can't see how the driver can as its been two different drivers/buses over the last three days.

wirelessdude01 · 03-09-2020 07:23PM

Grandeeod wrote: »

I guess they were meant to do it themselves, I can't see how the driver can as its been two different drivers/buses over the last three days.

Kids will be kids.

Grandeeod · 03-09-2020 07:25PM

Purple Mountain wrote: »

That's not very hopeful

No. It doesn't feel like it PM. I don't do hysterics. I'd have preferred a different approach, but all I can do is keep a close eye on it.

PCros · 03-09-2020 07:28PM

Grandeeod wrote: »

My daughter started PP. An induction day for students and parents last Friday. Uneventful. SD and staggered arrival times and first years only. Tuesday was the real restart. First year and third year are in the same lunch area/staggered break. Tuesday was well organised and daughters feedback was good.

Since then it has all gone down hill. The school bus is disorganized already. No enforcement of who sits beside who. The hand sanitizers aren't being refilled in the school. Toilets crowded and filthy. No supervision during lunch breaks so no SD in operation. The corridors are rammed when changing class. That said the class rooms are restricted to 18 students at 1m apart. 4 students use an over flow area. Daughter has her own laptop which she will need for this over flow set up. Only 22 in her class in total. Lockers aren't been used, so its a repack job every evening. No big deal. That's how I had to do it in the 80s. For me it looks to be going backwards already, but I'll keep my eye on it, especially if there is a confirmed case in her year/class.

That’s not great at all.

Hopefully the school is just ironing out some issues and fingers crossed next week goes better.

screamer · 03-09-2020 07:36PM

giveitholly wrote: »

Those covid cases have happened regardless of the schools having opened or not,they did not happen because the schools opened

But the issue is, the school is a wonderful place for transmission. That infamous R number gets a great chance to increase in school or any other areas of mass people gatherings. The way the figures are being reported, the lack of info etc just makes me believe the government is fudging things, when their real goal here is herd immunity via the youngest in the country. As I’ve said before, time will be the decider on all this.

03-09-2020 07:41PM

Blondini wrote: »

Ah Marko me oul mucker.

Now I don't want to upset you, but only a handful of schools have fully opened, and most secondary schools ( you might call them "Big schools") are not opening fully until next week.

We've had at least 5 cases in 2 days in this tiny fraction of full reopening.

A great success indeed my simple little friend. A great success!

None of which happened in school. The system is taking the correct steps. Schools will have outbreaks, but 5 classroom or school closures in the first week due to cases from outside is nothing exceptional.

Grandeeod · 03-09-2020 07:42PM

PCros wrote: »

That’s not great at all.

Hopefully the school is just ironing out some issues and fingers crossed next week goes better.

I actually wouldn't blame the school as they've been dumped into a scenario without decent prep time. The responsibility is up to other parents to at least attempt to prepare/instruct their kids. I've tried. My daughter isn't perfect, but she's now asking me questions about the bus, toilet facilities and SD in the school. I promised her it would be okay. She's delighted to be back in school and the excitement of starting PP, but she was also happy to go along with guidance and can see it starting to fall apart already. Like many kids she had to put an old head on young shoulders since last March. Looks like some haven't.

Blondini · 03-09-2020 07:43PM

Deleted User wrote: »

None of which happened in school. The system is taking the correct steps. Schools will have outbreaks, but 5 classroom or school closures in the first week due to cases from outside is nothing exceptional.

Ok.

PCros · 03-09-2020 07:50PM

Grandeeod wrote: »

I actually wouldn't blame the school as they've been dumped into a scenario without decent prep time. The responsibility is up to other parents to at least attempt to prepare/instruct their kids. I've tried. My daughter isn't perfect, but she's now asking me questions about the bus, toilet facilities and SD in the school. I promised her it would be okay. She's delighted to be back in school and the excitement of starting PP, but she was also happy to go along with guidance and can see it starting to fall apart already. Like many kids she had to put an old head on young shoulders since last March. Looks like some haven't.

That’s very true.

Had a bit of it with parents last week when my two went back.

All I can do is be optimistic like yourself and hope cases etc stay to a minimum over the next few weeks.

khalessi · 03-09-2020 07:56PM

Diarrohea and vomitting should be included in symptoms for more accurate diagnosis of covid19 in children according to study

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8694889/Diarrhoea-vomiting-stomach-cramps-official-symptoms-coronavirus-children.html

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.31.20183095v1

03-09-2020 08:02PM

Blondini wrote: »

Ok.

We are getting 100 cases a day. Do you think no child will catch it? It’s not sleeping out of the walls of schools, and cases so far a kids who got infected at home or elsewhere and appropriate steps have been taken.

Blondini · 03-09-2020 08:06PM

Deleted User wrote: »

We are getting 100 cases a day. Do you think no child will catch it? It’s not sleeping out of the walls of schools, and cases so far a kids who got infected at home or elsewhere and appropriate steps have been taken.

Sure thing.

Hawthorn Tree · 03-09-2020 08:08PM

When are the unions shutting this circus down? Haven't the teachers worked hard enough already?

bladespin · 03-09-2020 08:09PM

markodaly wrote: »

That is their own fault to be honest. Constantly complaining and giving out, while all the public want of them is for them to teach their kids. Nothing more, nothing less.

Again, I nod and shake my head at the same time, yes they have been very vocal but I can absolutely understand that, the dept pretty much hung them out on their own, also their job never involved working in what could accurately be described as an unsafe environment (cue the I didn’t sign up for this...), there’s also been so much media bs hype about Covid that there are some who genuinely believe death is lurking round the corner if the breath in within 2 metres of someone from outside their home - crazy. Mix all that together and there’s a good recipe for hysteria, right or wrong.

Fair play to them for getting on with it.

Bobtheman · 03-09-2020 08:10PM

Back to education and the farce of pretending that school suits everyone. Including kids who are hell bent on disruption. They now have a team of in house pseudo social workers to keep them there.
What they need is a special classroom. Won't happen so on they go destroying the education of the majority who want to learn.
Inspection reports largely works of fiction in this regard.

smellyoldboot · 03-09-2020 08:10PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

None of which happened in school. The system is taking the correct steps. Schools will have outbreaks, but 5 classroom or school closures in the first week due to cases from outside is nothing exceptional.

Ah yes. The well known 2 day incubation period/ 3 day shelf life for CoVid 19. "The operation has been a complete success. Next patient"

Bobtheman · 03-09-2020 08:11PM

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

When are the unions shutting this circus down? Haven't the teachers worked hard enough already?

Oh how they must laugh at your jokes in your local boozer. Your wife and family must find you hilarious.

03-09-2020 08:12PM

Blondini wrote: »

Sure thing.

Some people actually understand cases happening in school is inevitable and what is more important is how we manage them. Some other people, well I don’t know what they understand, but in the absence of shutting schools for another six months minimum this is what will continue to happen.

Blondini · 03-09-2020 08:13PM

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

When are the unions shutting this circus down? Haven't the teachers worked hard enough already?

Condemnant quo non intellegunt.

03-09-2020 08:15PM

smellyoldboot wrote: »

Ah yes. The well known 2 day incubation period/ 3 day shelf life for CoVid 19. "The operation has been a complete success. Next patient"

Tell me how we are going to educate children for the next 18 months then?

downthemiddle · 03-09-2020 08:22PM

Bobtheman wrote: »

Oh how they must laugh at your jokes in your local boozer. Your wife and family must find you hilarious.

Wife?? Family?? No chance.

Purplewaters · 03-09-2020 08:24PM

Anyone know how they government justify 25000 a day for that convention centre when they're packing everyone into schools? Imagine how many subs 25000 a day could have gotten schools to reduce down numbers

03-09-2020 08:27PM

Blondini wrote: »

Condemnant quo non intellegunt.

quod

Purplewaters · 03-09-2020 08:27PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Some people actually understand cases happening in school is inevitable and what is more important is how we manage them. Some other people, well I don’t know what they understand, but in the absence of shutting schools for another six months minimum this is what will continue to happen.

I actually knew there would be lots of cases because the numbers aren't low at all but what I am wonrering about is how jt will spread, I think thats the issue. If there was proper distancing there might be a hope but I thibk it will take a few weeks to see what will happen. On a different note is there any chance it's more treatable? I can't figure out what is going on with it all to be honest.

Grandeeod · 03-09-2020 08:35PM

Purplewaters wrote: »

Anyone know how they government justify 25000 a day for that convention centre when they're packing everyone into schools? Imagine how many subs 25000 a day could have gotten schools to reduce down numbers

25K a week. Loads of space to keep themselves safe and distanced. As for our schools? But hey, I'll be a sheep for both the "open up everything, get our lives back brigade" and the "lets all stay in our bunkers gang". There doesn't seem to be any middle ground.

Still restrictions on public transport, but my daughters school bus is a fooking circus this week.

Boggles · 03-09-2020 08:35PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Tell me how we are going to educate children for the next 18 months then?

In reality, probably 50 / 50. Have smaller separate pods, less time in school and together.

We may also have to get flexible with holidays, take them in times of high infection.

Switch the summer holidays to the winter, things like that.

There was vague reference to a plan b when plan A was announced. I think they are basically just copying Scotland who actually have a plan B.

The phrase "game changer" is bandied around too much.

But if Irish Schools and the millions of extra movements and contacts that surrounds them does not significantly add to the instances of the virus in the community, then that is a bone fide game changer.

But at this moment in time, I cannot think of one logical scientific, biological, common sense reason why they won't.

But it is one thing I will be happy to be proved wrong on.

Charles Babbage · 03-09-2020 08:36PM

Locotastic wrote: »

Nearly 2 weeks without a death now from the virus (RIP today's death was from June) despite the country being almost fully open.

Other EU countries having the same trend.

Schools here have done a fantastic job even if we all know its a box ticking exercise at this point.

There have been deaths on the country, just not in the 26 counties. But it is hardly surprising that these comments are associated with partitionism.

Deaths will come, once you lose control of the virus.

How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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