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Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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  • #4922
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,016 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Any reported cases of someone asymptomatic becoming ill more than 14 days after initial infection? Given we are 6 months into this I am sure there must be plenty.

    Ye have followed drunkmonkey down a rabbit hole and are now flailing wildly and descending down an equally spurious rabbit hole

    Another Dr , Cardiologist in the Mater, has said that cases who were asymptomatic , with no underlying conditions , being admitted to the Mater with inflammatory heart conditions.
    Reported in the IT last week .
    Already posted here a week ago so link there somewhere.


  • #4923
    babyboom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 201 ✭✭babyboom


    Redordeadqwwer wrote: »
    I am sorry to hear that. Can I ask what age bracket they would fall into?

    As far as I know they were in their 80s. Their grandson tested positive but asymptomatic as did 6 of his work colleagues. He works in a pub which is still open apparently.


  • #4924
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    I know they've not gone with NPHET advice before

    https://twitter.com/ShaneBeattyNews/status/1301270586111463426?s=19


  • #4925
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Varadkar is incredibly machiavellian


  • #4926
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,016 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    When the pubs open there should be a thread get together, somewhere with bouncers preferably.

    Clowns to the left of me , jokers to the right of me , Here I am , stuck in the middle....


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  • #4927
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    If an asymptomatic person can get myocarditis then how is it a respiratory disease?

    Viral myocarditis is a result of the immune response.

    https://pmj.bmj.com/content/77/903/4?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=bd6f5a3aa140b3a48c3c5a371416fc33027630c8-1599082319-0-AVc-6wap2S4EUJTyxq3ALuDmaU2qrpPeKLVEHdCmqeuw6XcBrBApD_7kGwbyRVxs8a3AwvVSxvzXsabzECrMtgl2naCQvLg7dMAmKP1PzxfjMrGX6Ago57LnN6OGxR48Y18WpfODawwqJtDcM2OKIa30l7A7lo16qJ6orFx_wMjGP_G4ugjBcKj6UHHLm4deGhyHtkEekhV7QCsjQECHaZGCAinyHG8ZoaOYR9hKtKQ2k4uSgk2LnVo9hLWR7d3Uw7S89Axgm0FNIzDsXAM32aw66rzPmnpbjDpfvgqtN0ui

    We are also detecting mild myocarditis in patients showing no symptoms of the condition but are detecting them due to the current studies. I can’t find and studies that examined patients who recently had a mild or asymptomatic adenovirus (common cold) to try to detect mild myocarditis even though it is one of the most common trigger viruses for the condition


  • #4928
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,016 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Varadkar is incredibly machiavellian

    Yes ! + 100 on this :)


  • #4929
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    I know they've not gone with NPHET advice before

    https://twitter.com/ShaneBeattyNews/status/1301270586111463426?s=19

    I think it's time someone informs Leo he is part of government, we already have an opposition. Although it is time balance is brought into the mix.


  • #4930
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,216 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    "A strong case" has been put forward by Vintners according to Niall Collins, FF, on the tonight show.

    What was their strong case, says Matt Cooper?

    "Eh, eh, eh it's a strong case" says Collins. No point actually explaining that strong case, because Niall Collins doesn't actually know the specifics, aside from being told to get that line out - it's important to get that sound bite out there before changing the subject, with a distinct look of spoofing unpreparedness in his eyes. Please don't ask me the details Matt.

    Matt Cooper let's him off - sure he's only tonight's government lackey sent on to spout and swallow shyte, go easy on the man - because it's enough to be seen asking the question.

    SF, who have said a grand total of fck all about pubs being closed up to this point, now figure it's an easy political win so they might as get behind it while the going is good. The publicans have made a "strong case" says fellow guest, SF's David Cullinane.


  • #4931
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Pawinho wrote: »
    It is a joke.
    Next lockdown when they introduce digital currency (winter 2021), ,destroy economy, lets people be depend on state, introduce Universal Basic Income and then download wallet on your phone to receive your payment.
    Then global reset will be done. New Bretton Woods.
    Easy peasy.
    But now let people talk about how deadly is covid.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonbrett/2020/03/24/digital-dollar-and-digital-wallet-legislation-surfaces-in-the-us-senate/

    Nobody in media talk about money. I wonder why?
    Please read the Opening Post and in particular the warning to take Conspiracy theories to the relevant forum (which is not this one)


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  • #4932
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,216 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Varadkar is incredibly machiavellian

    Amazing how he always manages to not be there when bad news is being delivered, but is always there first to a microphone when ever the positive kites are being flown.

    I didn't actually give Leo credit for being that slick of a political operator.


  • #4933
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,016 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Viral myocarditis is a result of the immune response.

    https://pmj.bmj.com/content/77/903/4?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=bd6f5a3aa140b3a48c3c5a371416fc33027630c8-1599082319-0-AVc-6wap2S4EUJTyxq3ALuDmaU2qrpPeKLVEHdCmqeuw6XcBrBApD_7kGwbyRVxs8a3AwvVSxvzXsabzECrMtgl2naCQvLg7dMAmKP1PzxfjMrGX6Ago57LnN6OGxR48Y18WpfODawwqJtDcM2OKIa30l7A7lo16qJ6orFx_wMjGP_G4ugjBcKj6UHHLm4deGhyHtkEekhV7QCsjQECHaZGCAinyHG8ZoaOYR9hKtKQ2k4uSgk2LnVo9hLWR7d3Uw7S89Axgm0FNIzDsXAM32aw66rzPmnpbjDpfvgqtN0ui

    We are also detecting mild myocarditis in patients showing no symptoms of the condition but are detecting them due to the current studies. I can’t find and studies that examined patients who recently had a mild or asymptomatic adenovirus (common cold) to try to detect mild myocarditis even though it is one of the most common trigger viruses for the condition

    Eh, yes , we know thanks .

    This virus is known to trigger an inflammatory response, in some it causes respiratory symptoms , which are the ones that are used to describe 'symptomatic ' illness.
    However more and more other silent inflammatory conditions are being found such as myocarditis and neurological conditions, which as yet appear rare as some of these are only being studied now in presenting patients .

    This is not a virus to be minimising .


  • #4934
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    Arghus wrote: »
    Amazing how he always manages to not be there when bad news is being delivered, but is always there first to a microphone when ever the positive kites are being flown.

    I didn't actually give Leo credit for being that slick of a political operator.

    Eh was he not the one who announced the first lockdown?

    He can’t win with some people.


  • #4935
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Another Dr , Cardiologist in the Mater, has said that cases who were asymptomatic , with no underlying conditions , being admitted to the Mater with inflammatory heart conditions.
    Reported in the IT last week .
    Already posted here a week ago so link there somewhere.

    No one is denying Covid can cause myocarditis. Just like the flu, the cold, mumps, chickenpox and a range of other viruses. If someone is admitted to hospital with myocarditis and we don’t know the cause it is usually put down to being triggered by an unknown virus, that may well have been asymptomatic with whatever that virus was.

    Also, most cases of myocarditis will resolve themselves with the “sufferer” being unaware of ever having had it.


  • #4936
    US2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    Arghus wrote: »
    Amazing how he always manages to not be there when bad news is being delivered, but is always there first to a microphone when ever the positive kites are being flown.

    I didn't actually give Leo credit for being that slick of a political operator.

    Varadkar gave us the worst of news during the worst of the pandemic. He now realises it's time to open back up but he can't make that call . I'm far from a FG supporter for what it's worth.


  • #4937
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Deleted User wrote: »

    Also, most cases of myocarditis will resolve themselves with the “sufferer” being unaware of ever having had it.

    ...because they've died


  • #4938
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Now that is just wrong.

    Wrong or bullsh1t?


  • #4939
    Pawinho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭Pawinho


    Beasty wrote: »
    Please read the Opening Post and in particular the warning to take Conspiracy theories to the relevant forum (which is not this one)
    Conspiracy theories?
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonbrett/2020/06/23/digital-dollar-hearing-round-2-us-senate-to-examine-future-of-money/

    Do you think change monetary system could be introduce like that? Open your mind.


  • #4940
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Being mild or asymptomatic doesn’t mean you are immune. Severe have much stronger antibodies. Asymptomatic may produce strong tcell response but no evidence of that yet.

    https://twitter.com/alinouriphd/status/1301269093002162176?s=21


  • #4941
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Eh, yes , we know thanks .

    This virus is known to trigger an inflammatory response, in some it causes respiratory symptoms , which are the ones that are used to describe 'symptomatic ' illness.
    However more and more other silent inflammatory conditions are being found such as myocarditis and neurological conditions, which as yet appear rare as some of these are only being studied now in presenting patients .

    This is not a virus to be minimising .

    It’s not a virus to be exaggerating either. Myocarditis is far more common than we believe, simply because most cases have no lasting effects and are often not noticed, and is triggered by a vast array of viruses, not just COVID-19.

    Covid will kill more people than the flu or common cold, but the range of complications associated with it are very similar to those virus including inflammatory diseases, auto immune diseases, chronic fatigue and others. The death rate is high compared to a lot of other conditions, but the Long term effects aren’t new, they may just be more frequent


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  • #4942
    mountgomery burns
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭mountgomery burns


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Varadkar is incredibly machiavellian

    And worst of all he's getting away with it


  • #4943
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,016 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Deleted User wrote: »
    No one is denying Covid can cause myocarditis. Just like the flu, the cold, mumps, chickenpox and a range of other viruses. If someone is admitted to hospital with myocarditis and we don’t know the cause it is usually put down to being triggered by an unknown virus, that may well have been asymptomatic with whatever that virus was.

    Also, most cases of myocarditis will resolve themselves with the “sufferer” being unaware of ever having had it.

    i don't disagree, but your whataboutery ...

    Having 2 family members affected with previous virus infection I unfortunately know all about viral inflammatory complications.

    One is totally recovered as far as we can see, and hope...
    the other has a badly damaged heart , at a young age , but lives as healthy a life as he can , albeit having nearly died a couple of times.

    Point is we don't know what this virus brings and it is more dangerous than a lot of other around at present , as there is no vaccination or treatment.

    All of those you mention were similarly dreaded not so long ago , but have been managed or vaccinated against now and are not such a threat.


  • #4944
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    ...because they've died

    You don’t even know what it is do you?

    Acute myocarditis can cause permanent heart damage or even sudden death, however most cases resolve themselves with no permanent damage, and that’s just the ones that are detected.


  • #4945
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,016 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It’s not a virus to be exaggerating either. Myocarditis is far more common than we believe, simply because most cases have no lasting effects and are often not noticed, and is triggered by a vast array of viruses, not just COVID-19.

    Covid will kill more people than the flu or common cold, but the range of complications associated with it are very similar to those virus including inflammatory diseases, auto immune diseases, chronic fatigue and others. The death rate is high compared to a lot of other conditions, but the Long term effects aren’t new, they may just be more frequent

    I am not exaggerating , are you minimising?


  • #4946
    SeaBreezes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    Pawinho wrote: »
    It is a joke.
    Next lockdown when they introduce digital currency (winter 2021), ,destroy economy, lets people be depend on state, introduce Universal Basic Income and then download wallet on your phone to receive your payment.
    Then global reset will be done. New Bretton Woods.
    Easy peasy.
    But now let people talk about how deadly is covid.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonbrett/2020/03/24/digital-dollar-and-digital-wallet-legislation-surfaces-in-the-us-senate/

    Nobody in media talk about money. I wonder why?

    Feck it, the jig is up lads. Those people playing dead globally, you can get up.now..


  • #4947
    expectationlost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,510 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    I know they've not gone with NPHET advice before

    https://twitter.com/ShaneBeattyNews/status/1301270586111463426?s=19


    such a stupid take the government has been rejecting NPHET recommendations for months


  • #4948
    expectationlost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,510 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    I don’t get the Irish Examiner headline, its new that over 75’s are testing positive? erm were a loads testing positive in the spring? ie030920page1-1015x1536.jpghttps://www.broadsheet.ie/2020/09/02/thursdays-papers-48


  • #4949
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,216 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    Eh was he not the one who announced the first lockdown?

    He can’t win with some people.

    Back when people were scared and a lockdown was widely supported. His personal approval ratings rocketed immediately afterwards. You are missing my point.

    Any unpopular decision during the Summer was more or less left to NPHET to announce. Anytime good news about phases or, even better, speeding them up was being announced - you could bet your bottom dollar Leo would be at that press conference.

    Anytime there's a whiff of unpopular decisions then you won't find Leo at that announcement. MM, Donelley, fck it, you might even see Éamonn Ryan there for the craic. It's no harm to have the media asking why is the Tainiste noticably absent, it's hardly because he disapproves of these unpopular decisions is it...

    Anytime there's a balls up that seems vaguely FF in origin, there will be whisperings already out in media that Leo strongly disapproves of all this. Any good news or potentially popular ideas will have his name nebulously attached to it in media reports a few days beforehand.

    He's become a way slicker operator in how to not be associated with unpopular ideas in the media and the minds of the public. That isn't necessarily a criticism, it's a display of political skill to be honest. He's better than I gave him credit for.


  • #4950
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It’s not a virus to be exaggerating either. Myocarditis is far more common than we believe, simply because most cases have no lasting effects and are often not noticed, and is triggered by a vast array of viruses, not just COVID-19.

    Covid will kill more people than the flu or common cold, but the range of complications associated with it are very similar to those virus including inflammatory diseases, auto immune diseases, chronic fatigue and others. The death rate is high compared to a lot of other conditions, but the Long term effects aren’t new, they may just be more frequent

    You seem to be dodging the question a bit.

    We know (or we have googled) that other viruses can cause similar ailments in people.
    The point is the scale of it - how many people right now are suffering from a wide range of symptoms connected to covid?
    Anecdotally it seems like there's a huge amount, but that's completely unverified.


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  • #4951
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You don’t even know what it is do you?

    Acute myocarditis can cause permanent heart damage or even sudden death, however most cases resolve themselves with no permanent damage, and that’s just the ones that are detected.

    I do know what it is, I was just trying to be funny

    sorry


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