Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

drunkmonkey · 02-09-2020 09:19PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I already provided a link. You clearly didn't read it.

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/368/6490/455

"Among the many surprises of the new coronavirus is one that seems to defy basic biology: infected patients with extraordinarily low blood-oxygen levels, or hypoxia, scrolling on their phones, chatting with doctors, and generally describing themselves as comfortable. Clinicians call them happy hypoxics."

I don't need to read it, Asymptomatic is no symptoms. It couldn't be any clearer.
If they are dected with low oxygen, that is a symptom, therefore they are symptomatic.

Jim_Hodge · 02-09-2020 09:20PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

They know now.

Yet there is still 100s of thousands out of work over this virus that killed 4 people in August.

Have you considered why we have so few deaths now and how we are keeping new cases at anything like a manageable level?

drunkmonkey · 02-09-2020 09:21PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

I hope you had your tongue firmly in your cheek when you wrote this DM!

I am not seeing any evidence to back this up???

The BCG? There's plenty in the news about it, to be honest I hadn't looked it up since the very start of this pandemic until tonight. There does seem to be something to it.

Gods Gift · 02-09-2020 09:21PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

I see the former Italian PM, currently known as Plastic Man has tested positive for C19

Those bunga bunga parties.
He wasn’t in skerries I hope.

Jinglejangle69 · 02-09-2020 09:23PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Have you considered why we have so few deaths now and how we are keeping new cases at anything like a manageable level?

So keep it like this forever?

Only country in Europe with pubs still closed.

Pathetic.

Away With The Fairies · 02-09-2020 09:23PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I don't need to read it, Asymptomatic is no symptoms. It couldn't be any clearer.
If they are dected with low oxygen, that is a symptom, therefore they are symptomatic.

That's the problem, to be detected with low oxygen they need to be monitored. So how do asymptomatics know they don't have symptoms like low oxygen. It's just an easy word to be throwing out.

SeaBreezes · 02-09-2020 09:29PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

4 deaths in August.

Jesus we will look back in this with shame.

Destroying many lives, businesses and the economy.

Just cant win can they?
No deaths in August because of MONTHS of effort.

Countries that didnt lock down have crazy death tolls and worse economy dives!

Ffsssss.

SeaBreezes · 02-09-2020 09:30PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

So keep it like this forever?

Only country in Europe with pubs still closed.

Pathetic.

Pubs with food still open...

babyboom · 02-09-2020 09:30PM

I know of someone who passed away today from Covid so we're not quite out of the woods death wise yet.

SeaBreezes · 02-09-2020 09:30PM

babyboom wrote: »

I know of someone who passed away today from Covid so we're not quite out of the woods death wise yet.

Im so sorry.

landofthetree · 02-09-2020 09:31PM

German lockdown was too harsh says health minister

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/german-lockdown-was-too-harsh-says-health-minister-1.4344930%3fmode=amp

Parsnips · 02-09-2020 09:32PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

They know now.

Yet there is still 100s of thousands out of work over this virus that killed 4 people in August.

Easy to see none of those death where in your Family FFS.

babyboom · 02-09-2020 09:32PM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Im so sorry.

They're not someone close to me thankfully but a relative
of a friend.

drunkmonkey · 02-09-2020 09:34PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

That's the problem, to be detected with low oxygen they need to be monitored. So how do asymptomatics know they don't have symptoms like low oxygen. It's just an easy word to be throwing out.

Ok I read the article that is in reference to hospitalised patients some needing ventilation, at no point does it say these are average asymptomatic cases. Go back and read the article you posted before trying to pass it off as something asymptomatic people suffer from.
The word asymptomatic isn't even mentioned once in the report.

Your convinced asymptomatic are waking murderers, so much so you wear a mask at home with your house mates and left your last job over paranoia. Your really need to get a grip, it's not healthy. You've really little to worry about when it comes to Covid.

Leftwaffe · 02-09-2020 09:35PM

babyboom wrote: »

They're not someone close to me thankfully but a relative
of a friend.

I am sorry to hear that. Can I ask what age bracket they would fall into?

Goldengirl · 02-09-2020 09:36PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The BCG? There's plenty in the news about it, to be honest I hadn't looked it up since the very start of this pandemic until tonight. There does seem to be something to it.

No. I have heard and read about something re the BCG.

That wasn't what was funny , but I think you know what i am talking about !

02-09-2020 09:37PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I already provided a link. You clearly didn't read it.

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/368/6490/455

"Among the many surprises of the new coronavirus is one that seems to defy basic biology: infected patients with extraordinarily low blood-oxygen levels, or hypoxia, scrolling on their phones, chatting with doctors, and generally describing themselves as comfortable. Clinicians call them happy hypoxics."

Not asymptomatic. Apparently milder symptoms than they were actually suffering, but they still had symptoms. Symptoms severe enough to require hospitalisation, where the “happy hypoxia” was discovered

odyssey06 · 02-09-2020 09:37PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Your convinced asymptomatic are waking murderers, so much so you wear a mask at home with your house mates and left your last job over paranoia. Your really need to get a grip, it's not healthy. You've really little to worry about when it comes to Covid.

That's multiple times on this thread you have convinced yourself of someone else's opinion because you have wilfully misinterpreted someone else's post either because you unable or unwilling to read an opposing point of view with an open mind.
Stop putting opinions and convictions into other people's posts. That's called the strawman fallacy.

02-09-2020 09:42PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I don't need to read it, Asymptomatic is no symptoms. It couldn't be any clearer.
If they are dected with low oxygen, that is a symptom, therefore they are symptomatic.

A symptomatic is no apparent symptoms. Two sides driving down blind alleys here. There are those with no apparent symptoms - does not mean there were no effects, just no measured effects.

There are also a cohort of patients who have more severe symptoms than initially measured. They still had symptoms however and it does not mean than asymptomatic cases were having the same effects

Goldengirl · 02-09-2020 09:43PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Not asymptomatic. Apparently milder symptoms than they were actually suffering, but they still had symptoms. Symptoms severe enough to require hospitalisation, where the “happy hypoxia” was discovered

yes.
A lot of strange complications of this virus coming to light.

odyssey06 · 02-09-2020 09:43PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Will you stop trying to confuse things, I did not hear the Dr say we are really concerned that the very high number or asymptomatic people is a problem. Your making into a problem to suit an agenda the same as away with the fairies.

It's not my fault you are so confused by such basic concepts as the difference between asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic.

Jim_Hodge · 02-09-2020 09:45PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

So keep it like this forever?

Only country in Europe with pubs still closed.

Pathetic.

It's called getting a balance.

Plenty of pubs are open and, even though I enjoyed a regular pint, it's not top of most people's priority list.

You still haven't accepted how we got to the low death figures.

Thierry12 · 02-09-2020 09:46PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Ok I read the article that is in reference to hospitalised patients some needing ventilation, at no point does it say these are average asymptomatic cases. Go back and read the article you posted before trying to pass it off as something asymptomatic people suffer from.
The word asymptomatic isn't even mentioned once in the report.

Your convinced asymptomatic are waking murderers, so much so you wear a mask at home with your house mates and left your last job over paranoia. Your really need to get a grip, it's not healthy. You've really little to worry about when it comes to Covid.

Think your onto something with asymptomatic spread

We will hear alot about contagious people soon

We will test and try to catch contagious people, it will probably be a new test

PCR tests only to tell us if someone has the virus, not how much of the virus you have or how contagious you are.

Its been obvious as **** from the start that some people are highly contagious and many many people dont spread the virus

Bit like HIV/AIDS

Goldengirl · 02-09-2020 09:47PM

Deleted User wrote: »

A symptomatic is no apparent symptoms. Two sides driving down blind alleys here. There are those with no apparent symptoms - does not mean there were no effects, just no measured effects.

There are also a cohort of patients who have more severe symptoms than initially measured. They still had symptoms however and it does not mean than asymptomatic cases were having the same effects

The point is that the virus was pretty much spread in Kildare . by cases , the vast majority of which. according to the good Dr , were asymptomatic.

stephenjmcd · 02-09-2020 09:49PM

Looks like they'll be allowed to open sooner rather than later.

Seems to have been a shift in the lines coming from anyone near government today.

Guidelines and regulations by the 13th it appears

https://www.facebook.com/1608686222731082/posts/2750676928532000/

drunkmonkey · 02-09-2020 09:49PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

That's multiple times on this thread you have convinced yourself of someone else's opinion because you have wilfully misinterpreted someone else's post either because you unable or unwilling to read an opposing point of view with an open mind.
Stop putting opinions and convictions into other people's posts. That's called the strawman fallacy.

So far we've had
Asymptomatic = possible presymptomatic
Asymptomatic = symptomatic

What we haven't had from either of you is asymptomatic = asymptomatic.

I read both of yere posts opposing the Dr's medical opinion that the positive tests are mainly asymptomatic.
You haven't put across any point that's going to convince me Asymptomatic aren't asymptomatic. Fairy tried and failed miserably at it and you thanked it so it's fair for me to form the opinion your on the same thought train.

Gael23 · 02-09-2020 09:49PM

Can you claim the Covid illness benefit while awaiting test results?

podgeandrodge · 02-09-2020 09:50PM

US2 wrote: »

No symptoms but you may lose a leg, brain and heart function.

But you more and more and more x1000 than likely won't.

Pawinho · 02-09-2020 09:51PM

I wish everyone who lives in fear that some politician will tell them that they may not use the mask and meet other people.

drunkmonkey · 02-09-2020 09:52PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Looks like they'll be allowed to open sooner rather than later.

Seems to have been a shift in the lines coming from anyone near government today.

Guidelines and regulations by the 13th it appears

https://www.facebook.com/1608686222731082/posts/2750676928532000/

Had a feeling that was coming when I heard the justice minster on the radio this morning. She grew up in a pub...

Anyways Woo Hoo... lovely pints ahoy.

Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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