Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

mandrake04 · 02-09-2020 09:54PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

4 deaths in August.

Jesus we will look back in this with shame.

Destroying many lives, businesses and the economy.

This is because low cases in late June and July.

What happens today we will see around Halloween

Goldengirl · 02-09-2020 09:54PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Had a feeling that was coming when I heard the justice minster on the radio this morning. She grew up in a pub...

Anyways Woo Hoo... lovely pints ahoy.

lets get on the thought train, woo hoo!

02-09-2020 09:55PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

The point is that the virus was pretty much spread in Kildare . by cases , the vast majority of which. according to the good Dr , were asymptomatic.

Why “According to the good doctor”? They were asymptomatic, they are not making it up. I know one of them, and they and their colleagues are fully fit with no after effects.

Plumbthedepths · 02-09-2020 09:55PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Looks like they'll be allowed to open sooner rather than later.

Seems to have been a shift in the lines coming from anyone near government today.

Guidelines and regulations by the 13th it appears

https://www.facebook.com/1608686222731082/posts/2750676928532000/

Travel next, Green list is a joke.

drunkmonkey · 02-09-2020 09:59PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Travel next, Green list is a joke.

I'd be hoping they'd drop masks for healthy people getting some milk. Don't need them in the pub, I was in a hospital yesterday and didn't even need one.

TonyMaloney · 02-09-2020 10:00PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

So far we've had
Asymptomatic = possible presymptomatic
Asymptomatic = symptomatic

What we haven't had from either of you is asymptomatic = asymptomatic.

I read both of yere posts opposing the Dr's medical opinion that the positive tests are mainly asymptomatic.
You haven't put across any point that's going to convince me Asymptomatic aren't asymptomatic. Fairy tried and failed miserably at it and you thanked it so it's fair for me to form the opinion your on the same thought train.

Prior to recent treatments, the entire second phase of HIV was asymptomatic. It often lasted years.

It was literally called the Asymptomatic Phase. Where the patient has no outwardly visible symptoms, but of course it's really, really, really sick.

TonyMaloney · 02-09-2020 10:00PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

So far we've had
Asymptomatic = possible presymptomatic
Asymptomatic = symptomatic

What we haven't had from either of you is asymptomatic = asymptomatic.

I read both of yere posts opposing the Dr's medical opinion that the positive tests are mainly asymptomatic.
You haven't put across any point that's going to convince me Asymptomatic aren't asymptomatic. Fairy tried and failed miserably at it and you thanked it so it's fair for me to form the opinion your on the same thought train.

Prior to recent treatments, the entire second phase of HIV was asymptomatic. It often lasted years.

It was literally called the Asymptomatic Phase. Where the patient has no outwardly visible symptoms, but of course it's really, really, really sick.

02-09-2020 10:01PM

mandrake04 wrote: »

This is because low cases in late June and July.

What happens today we will see around Halloween

Where is this idea of a two month lag in deaths coming from? Just because there is the odd delayed report does not mean that all cases are reported late. Deaths spiked pretty soon after cases is most places that Covid has had large outbreaks. 3 weeks is as much as any lag will be.

Goldengirl · 02-09-2020 10:02PM

mandrake04 wrote: »

This is because low cases in late June and July.

What happens today we will see around Halloween

Where I work, hospital is full almost ,unless they start to open new beds , as per Dr Henry, and lots of people in A&E.

Some people here saying little Covid in the hospitals, and thank Fxxx for that , because we are very busy with everything else at the moment.

I hope things don't get any worse either , because even with extra beds , the combination of winter illness and Covid is not something any of us in the Health service are looking forward to , and I don't think the service can cope.

02-09-2020 10:03PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Prior to recent treatments, the entire second phase of HIV was asymptomatic. It often lasted years.

It was literally called the Asymptomatic Phase. Where the patient has no outwardly visible symptoms, but of course it's really, really, really sick.

Any evidence that in asymptomatic cases the immune system doesn’t clear the virus? Which to be anything like hiv would need to be the case

Goldengirl · 02-09-2020 10:05PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I'd be hoping they'd drop masks for healthy people getting some milk. Don't need them in the pub, I was in a hospital yesterday and didn't even need one.

Now that is just wrong.

Pawinho · 02-09-2020 10:07PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Travel next, Green list is a joke.

It is a joke.
Next lockdown when they introduce digital currency (winter 2021), ,destroy economy, lets people be depend on state, introduce Universal Basic Income and then download wallet on your phone to receive your payment.
Then global reset will be done. New Bretton Woods.
Easy peasy.
But now let people talk about how deadly is covid.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonbrett/2020/03/24/digital-dollar-and-digital-wallet-legislation-surfaces-in-the-us-senate/

Nobody in media talk about money. I wonder why?

stephenjmcd · 02-09-2020 10:07PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Where i work, hospital is full with little space left unless they start to open new beds , as per Dr Henry, and lots of people in A&E.

Some people here saying little Covid in the hospitals, and thank Fxxx for that , because we are very busy with everything else at the moment.

I hope things don't get any worse either , because even with extra beds , the combination of winter illness and Covid is not something any of us in the Health service are looking forward to , and I don't think the service can cope.

I really thought peoples habits might change, going to A&E for something that could be looked at by a GP or a minor injuries unit.

From the hosptial I know of this just hasn't happened. The same cases showing up that just dont need to be presenting to A&E.
Of course there are always people who need to present to A&E but the habit of going for every minor thing should have changed and its unfortunate it didn't.

Goldengirl · 02-09-2020 10:08PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Why “According to the good doctor”? They were asymptomatic, they are not making it up. I know one of them, and they and their colleagues are fully fit with no after effects.

I never said I didn't believe him.

What I said is that even though they were Asymptomatic , the virus still spread.

odyssey06 · 02-09-2020 10:08PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

So far we've had
Asymptomatic = possible presymptomatic
Asymptomatic = symptomatic

What we haven't had from either of you is asymptomatic = asymptomatic.

I read both of yere posts opposing the Dr's medical opinion that the positive tests are mainly asymptomatic.
You haven't put across any point that's going to convince me Asymptomatic aren't asymptomatic. Fairy tried and failed miserably at it and you thanked it so it's fair for me to form the opinion your on the same thought train.

It is not possible within 14 days of following up a close contact, to determine if someone is asymptomatic and will stay that way. Or Asymptomatic = possible presymptomatic and on the way to full blown symptomatic.

We're not talking about historic cases. We are talking about the next batch of cases which you claimed in an earlier post were not worth following up on if they didn't display any symptoms.
When following up a close contact ALL asymptomatics are possible presymptomatics and possibly highly infectious.

So what "the Dr" says is irrelevent for any given future case in that early close contact window.
"The Dr" cannot tell from a test within those 14 days if someone is asymptomatic and will stay that way. Or Asymptomatic = possible presymptomatic and on the way to symptomatic.
There is no test right now that can make that determination. None.
You keep quoting "the Dr" as if they are some omniscent being.
But any medical professional can only state that in hindsight after 14 days.

TonyMaloney · 02-09-2020 10:08PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Any evidence that in asymptomatic cases The immune system doesn’t clear the virus? Which to be anything like hiv would need to be the case

I'm not implying that it's like HIV

I... we... have been trying to explain the nuances of asymptomatic disease to an inebriated monkey for the last hour or so.

I simply used HIV as an example where asymptomatic did not mean healthy

drunkmonkey · 02-09-2020 10:08PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Now that is just wrong.

I was in a different one today and had to get a temperature check and a mask on the way in. Felt a bit phoney as a lot of staff weren't wearing one.

Goldengirl · 02-09-2020 10:14PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I really thought peoples habits might change, going to A&E for something that could be looked at by a GP or a minor injuries unit.

From the hosptial I know of this just hasn't happened. The same cases showing up that just dont need to be presenting to A&E.
Of course there are always people who need to present to A&E but the habit of going for every minor thing should have changed and its unfortunate it didn't.

I never said that people were in with minor injuries , stephen.

You will always get the odd few, but mostly people are afraid to go into hospitals these days and are leaving it till the last minute, which brings other problems.

02-09-2020 10:14PM

Pawinho wrote: »

It is a joke.
Next lockdown when they introduce digital currency (winter 2021), ,destroy economy, lets people be depend on state, introduce Universal Basic Income and then download wallet on your phone to receive your payment.
Then global reset will be done. New Bretton Woods.
Easy peasy.
But now let people talk about how deadly is covid.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonbrett/2020/03/24/digital-dollar-and-digital-wallet-legislation-surfaces-in-the-us-senate/

Nobody in media talk about money. I wonder why?

I suppose all the people who caught the virus and suffered varying levels of impact are actors paid by George Soros?
Would advice you to engage brain before watching dodgy qanon conspiracy ****e

BobbyMalone · 02-09-2020 10:14PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Where is this idea of a two month lag in deaths coming from? Just because there is the odd delayed report does not mean that all cases are reported late. Deaths spiked pretty soon after cases is most places that Covid has had large outbreaks. 3 weeks is as much as any lag will be.

the lag grows when people need it to in order to fit the narrative.

If the low death rate/ICU hospitalisation continues, you will hear of a three month and a four month lag.

Goldengirl · 02-09-2020 10:17PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I was in a different one today and had to get a temperature check and a mask on the way in. Felt a bit phoney as a lot of staff weren't wearing one.

Where i am everyone temp check, mask , sanitiser and separate pathways to different areas.
All staff now have to wear masks in corridors etc but there are those who consider themselves above all that:rolleyes:

stephenjmcd · 02-09-2020 10:19PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

I never said that people were in with minor injuries , stephen.

You will always get the odd few, but mostly people are afraid to go into hospitals these days and are leaving it till the last minute, which brings other problems.

No i know you didn't.

I've just heard of the usual things clogging up A&E, things that don't require to actually go to hosptial, could be dealt with by GP or minor injuries clinc at best. They don't necessarily need to go to A&E as the first point of contact, I thought that might change.

Then you do have people who really do need hosptial treatment and as you say then people leaving it until the last minute.

mandrake04 · 02-09-2020 10:19PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Are positive asymptomatic people being monitored in any way?

It's so easy to say asymptomatic but there can be silent symptoms like low oxygen.

Covid is primarily transmitted through respiratory system, but it’s now thought to be an inflammatory disease rather than a respiratory disease. Sure in some people it attacks the lungs which is what kills most people in the short term...but it also now seems to affect heart, brain, eyes and kidneys and we don’t know the long term fallout of this.

Someone could be asymptomatic but not entirely out of the woods, we just don’t know.

02-09-2020 10:20PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

It is not possible within 14 days of following up a close contact, to determine if someone is asymptomatic and will stay that way. Or Asymptomatic = possible presymptomatic and on the way to full blown symptomatic.

We're not talking about historic cases. We are talking about the next batch of cases which you claimed in an earlier post were not worth following up on if they didn't display any symptoms.
When following up a close contact ALL asymptomatics are possible presymptomatics and possibly highly infectious.

So what "the Dr" says is irrelevent for any given future case in that early close contact window.
"The Dr" cannot tell from a test within those 14 days if someone is asymptomatic and will stay that way. Or Asymptomatic = possible presymptomatic and on the way to symptomatic.
There is no test right now that can make that determination. None.
You keep quoting "the Dr" as if they are some omniscent being.
But any medical professional can only state that in hindsight after 14 days.

Any reported cases of someone asymptomatic becoming ill more than 14 days after initial infection? Given we are 6 months into this I am sure there must be plenty.

Ye have followed drunkmonkey down a rabbit hole and are now flailing wildly and descending down an equally spurious rabbit hole

Widdensushi · 02-09-2020 10:22PM

When the pubs open there should be a thread get together, somewhere with bouncers preferably.

LiquidZeb · 02-09-2020 10:23PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I suppose all the people who caught the virus and suffered varying levels of impact are actors paid by George Soros?
Would advice you to engage brain before watching dodgy qanon conspiracy ****e

Look covid is clearly a plot created by George Soros, the NWO, bill gates, the bilderbergs, Barack Obama and the Clinton's so we can all get microchipped by a fake vaccine so the deep state can track us, make us all Muslim and turn the frogs gay.

Goldengirl · 02-09-2020 10:25PM

BobbyMalone wrote: »

the lag grows when people need it to in order to fit the narrative.

If the low death rate/ICU hospitalisation continues, you will hear of a three month and a four month lag.

That is according to your narrative.

Here is a fact.

Most deaths occur in the 3 to 4 weeks after infection, however some cases end up through complications , revival following treatment and resurgence of complications , in ICU or hospital for weeks.

Some survive, and some unfortunately not .

So yes , there may be a few unfortunate people who will die a few months after initial infection.

Saying it is being manipulated somehow, is all in your head .

02-09-2020 10:25PM

mandrake04 wrote: »

Covid is primarily transmitted through respiratory system, but it’s now thought to be an inflammatory disease rather than a respiratory disease. Sure in some people it attacks the lungs which is what kills most people in the short term...but it also now seems to affect heart, brain, eyes and kidneys and we don’t know the long term fallout of this.

Someone could be asymptomatic but not entirely out of the woods, we just don’t know.

No it is thought to be a respiratory disease that can lead to inflammatory disease.

Away With The Fairies · 02-09-2020 10:26PM

mandrake04 wrote: »

Covid is primarily transmitted through respiratory system, but it’s now thought to be an inflammatory disease rather than a respiratory disease. Sure in some people it attacks the lungs which is what kills most people in the short term...but it also now seems to affect heart, brain, eyes and kidneys and we don’t know the long term fallout of this.

Someone could be asymptomatic but not entirely out of the woods, we just don’t know.

This is it. How do they know that asymptomatics don't have something silent going on. It's just an easy word to be throwing out when we don't know what's happening with them.

TonyMaloney · 02-09-2020 10:28PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No it is thought to be a respiratory disease that can lead to inflammatory disease.

If an asymptomatic person can get myocarditis then how is it a respiratory disease?

Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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