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Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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  • #4322
    SeaBreezes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/leovaradkar/status/1300882140125593606?s=21

    Posted already I guess but shows a less than coherent thinking between lockdown Donnelly and open up Leo.

    Very positive news though. Be great if it has moved to a milder strain.


  • #4323
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Would they be putting much people with covid into ICU now? I know at the beginning, they were putting people onto ventilators but ventilators doesn't seem to be the answer anymore.

    Depends on each paitent really. If you need a higher level of care or monitoring then yeah straight away you'll be moved in.

    We appear to have a higher survival rate in terms of ventilated patients here.


  • #4324
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    Judging by the hop on to spook theres not a poster here who doent already know what suspected means
    .
    Quit the hysteria lads, nobodies hyper-ventilating cause of suspected cases.

    We're not all wilting flowers afraid of a few facts from the HSE.

    Some people quite clearly haven't a clue what the definition of suspected case is, if they had they wouldn't bother posting it


  • #4325
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,551 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    Judging by the hop on to spook theres not a poster here who doent already know what suspected means
    .
    Quit the hysteria lads, nobodies hyper-ventilating cause of suspected cases.

    We're not all wilting flowers afraid of a few facts from the HSE.

    Thanks spook for giving the figures, it's more that another poster who knows better and has previously had the discussion is trying to represent them in a misleading manner.


  • #4326
    Dionaibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 734 ✭✭✭Dionaibh


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    Herd Immunity then. Didnt work out so well for the Swedes..

    People die in life. It happens every day. The rise of the safety society has been disastrous. Life is normal in Sweden while Ireland carries on down the dystopia road because of a few cases.

    No one bats an eyelid when 1.5 million die OF TB every year. But we've destroyed humanity over this virus.


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  • #4327
    SeaBreezes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    Dionaibh wrote: »
    How's that working out? Trashed economies, small businesses destroyed, a dystopian mask society, police states, human beings terrified of one another, the horrifying elbow bump, zero joy in life for most people, constant moving of the goalposts, and now health passports and the unbelievable possibility of a mandatory vaccine.

    ok, so economically we are doing better than sweden.
    Businesses here are surviving better than sweden as they have the covid payment. In sweden no payment and 1/3 the business..police state? In ireland? Ha.

    Who are you terrified of?
    Zero joy?. Speak for yourself.

    Health passports mandatory vaccine is scaremongering b*ll****. They dont even know if a vaccine is possible yet.


  • #4328
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Because it says they're in different hospitals... did you even look at it?

    I do look and I see some hospitals have cases every day. That same person could be waiting on a test result for a day or , I don't know and neither do you.


  • #4329
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,653 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I really think people should take a break from RTE every so often in the interests of their mental health and wellbeing.

    Nothing to do with covid, just in general like


  • #4330
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    We're not all wilting flowers afraid of a few facts from the HSE.

    And what might those facts be ?

    That there's currently 95 people in hosptial awaiting a swab result when it was 188 this morning??


  • #4331
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,438 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Some people quite clearly haven't a clue what the definition of suspected case is, if they had they wouldn't bother posting it

    That and the New Zealand thing have been explained at least 100 times in these threads. You might as well turn and explain it to the wall at this stage.


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  • #4332
    Non solum non ambulabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    ticking up

    This is why you shouldn't post suspected numbers. They are beyond irrelevant and useless yet people make comments like this.


  • #4333
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    0 deaths again for the nth day running.

    Looks like covid took out the weakest and most vulnerable while giving immunity to the rest in this category. And is now no more dangerous than the annual flu. Might also have mutated to a milder strain.


  • #4334
    SeaBreezes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    Dionaibh wrote: »
    People die in life. It happens every day. The rise of the safety society has been disastrous. Life is normal in Sweden while Ireland carries on down the dystopia road because of a few cases.

    No one bats an eyelid when 1.5 million die OF TB every year. But we've destroyed humanity over this virus.

    Safety society, lockdowns, masks, all used in 1918 during the last global.pandemic.too. Sucessfully.

    In fact cities that didnt use masks and lock down had much much higher death tolls and longer economic recoveries. If we dont learn from history we are doomed to repeat it.

    Life is normal here? Only diff Ireland and Sweden at the mo is wet bars are not open here. And we have a covid payment for those laid off due to.covid. in sweden tough to you.

    And life is only normal for the young and healthy in sweden. Its isolation hell.if you have diabetes, epilepsy hypertension, heart issues, ashma, cancer, any underlying conditions.


  • #4335
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,043 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I really think people should take a break from RTE every so often in the interests of their mental health and wellbeing.

    Seems the only people who actually watch RTE are the ones posting here, and complaining about fearmongering every time they've got a current affairs programme on. So the advice is solid.


  • #4336
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,438 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Laughing at the big 217 in the background on Prime Time

    RTÉ are unreal


    They're a disgrace with their reporting of Covid in general and have been for months, the worst part is no other media outlet are calling them out on it.


  • #4337
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    spookwoman wrote: »
    I do look and I see some hospitals have cases every day. That same person could be waiting on a test result for a day or , I don't know and neither do you.

    Quite easily found, mean turnaround in hosptials today is 18.2 hrs.

    ICU cases and those that are clinically suspected are prioritised in hosptial labs.


  • #4338
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,551 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Carry on with this and there will be no one left believing the propaganda, when people hear of 100+ suspected cases in hospital and learn the next day that there is no increase in confirmed cases in hospital.


  • #4339
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »
    This is why you shouldn't post suspected numbers. They are beyond irrelevant and useless yet people make comments like this.

    People will always make up their own mind on the numbers and they are entitled to. Should we then just stop reporting completely and control the news :rolleyes:
    People where complaining about RTE not saying todays numbers were accumulated over a few days yet they are happy to stop someone posting up suspected numbers in ICU.


  • #4340
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    El Sueño wrote: »
    That and the New Zealand thing have been explained at least 100 times in these threads. You might as well turn and explain it to the wall at this stage.

    Might be best off at times.

    One of the reasons I stopped posting any data analysis publicly, the replies that come in make you want to bang your head off the brick wall.


  • #4341
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Dionaibh wrote: »
    How's that working out? Trashed economies, small businesses destroyed, a dystopian mask society, police states, human beings terrified of one another, the horrifying elbow bump, zero joy in life for most people, constant moving of the goalposts, and now health passports and the unbelievable possibility of a mandatory vaccine.

    Who the f*ck is scared of other people, no one I know in the real world is and the same for the lack of joy most aren't sad or miserable their just going on with life as it is and finding joy where ever.

    As for economics, yep its going to hurt, people were already predicting a recession before covid, there are whole threads on the subject here, but your argument for Sweden is a bit fu*ked as their economy has shrunk to comparable levels of their neighbors who took similar approaches as us.

    As for this mask wearing, fu°king police state bullsh1t again. If masks were made of tinfoil you'd be all for them.


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  • #4342
    Dionaibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 734 ✭✭✭Dionaibh


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    ok, so economically we are doing better than sweden.
    Businesses here are surviving better than sweden as they have the covid payment. In sweden no payment and 1/3 the business..police state? In ireland? Ha.

    Who are you terrified of?
    Zero joy?. Speak for yourself.

    Health passports mandatory vaccine is scaremongering b*ll****. They dont even know if a vaccine is possible yet.

    The country is bankrupt. When the magic money runs out then there will be a tsunami of job losses and business closures. Sweden's economy hasn't been hit as badly as that of the lockdown countries.

    Does it fill you with joy to see your fellow man in a muzzle? That's the worst thing about the dystopia. Having to see people wearing those things.

    The guards, absent all year round every year, when they get a bit of power, they're suddenly very visible.

    People are terrified of other people. The elderly especially. All because of the deliberate government policy, aided by their media allies, of creating a dystopia through non-stop fear and hysteria. Don't forget that this is a post-propagandised society.

    And I suppose they're just rolling out the health passport for the craic. But, don't worry, the Constitution will protect us. Constitutions can, as has been done in lots of countries, be suspended and ignored.


  • #4343
    Non solum non ambulabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    spookwoman wrote: »
    People will always make up their own mind on the numbers and they are entitled to. Should we then just stop reporting completely and control the news :rolleyes:
    People where complaining about RTE not saying todays numbers were accumulated over a few days yet they are happy to stop someone posting up suspected numbers in ICU.

    If you post this nonsense it is right you are called out because a lot people see the rubbish you post re suspected numbers and get frightened. Least you can do is explain they are not suspected cases but routine tests of non Covid patients entering wards or ICU.

    Enough of fear mongering please.


  • #4344
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,151 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Dionaibh wrote: »
    The country is bankrupt. When the magic money runs out then there will be a tsunami of job losses and business closures. Sweden's economy hasn't been hit as badly as that of the lockdown countries.

    Does it fill you with joy to see your fellow man in a muzzle? That's the worst thing about the dystopia. Having to see people wearing those things.

    Some mad ramblings...

    I'm confused - are you Mr Corr or Ms O'Doherty


  • #4345
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    spookwoman wrote: »
    People will always make up their own mind on the numbers and they are entitled to. Should we then just stop reporting completely and control the news :rolleyes:
    People where complaining about RTE not saying todays numbers were accumulated over a few days yet they are happy to stop someone posting up suspected numbers in ICU.

    Theres a bloody big difference between lumping 112 cases in on one day that are from days gone by compared to suspected cases in hosptial.

    Bit of a big difference.

    You called out both myself and ACE when we used to post numbers and you got a reply explaining it each time.

    You get called out and the reply is rollyeyes and a load of utter nonsense about suspected cases


  • #4346
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Quite easily found, mean turnaround in hosptials today is 18.2 hrs.

    ICU cases and those that are clinically suspected are prioritised in hosptial labs.

    "Past 7 days" That could range from 48 hours to 10 hours.


  • #4347
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-argentinas-never-ending-quarantine/a-54721129

    160 days and counting of 'quaranternity' in Argentina, residents int he country may still not leave their homes unless to buy groceries or medicine since the lockdown was first ordered in March. And despite that Argentina's case numbers and deaths are only getting worse by the day. Dunno how they havn't all gone completely and utterly ****ing insane. Makes you feel lucky to be living in Ireland eh? :P


  • #4348
    Non solum non ambulabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    spookwoman wrote: »
    "Past 7 days" That could range from 48 hours to 10 hours.

    You lost all credibility as a poster by posting about suspected cases.


  • #4349
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Theres a bloody big difference between lumping 112 cases in on one day that are from days gone by compared to suspected cases in hosptial.

    Bit of a big difference.

    You called out both myself and ACE when we used to post numbers and you got a reply explaining it.

    You get called out and the reply is rollyeyes and a load of utter nonsense

    How is reporting Official HSE numbers wrong, looks more like you don't want some numbers to come out because it doesn't suit you.
    If you don't want to see them then don't look at them.

    I suspect this is over something else.


  • #4350
    Dionaibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 734 ✭✭✭Dionaibh


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    Safety society, lockdowns, masks, all used in 1918 during the last global.pandemic.too. Sucessfully.

    In fact cities that didnt use masks and lock down had much much higher death tolls and longer economic recoveries. If we dont learn from history we are doomed to repeat it.

    Life is normal here? Only diff Ireland and Sweden at the mo is wet bars are not open here. And we have a covid payment for those laid off due to.covid. in sweden tough to you.

    And life is only normal for the young and healthy in sweden. Its isolation hell.if you have diabetes, epilepsy hypertension, heart issues, ashma, cancer, any underlying conditions.

    But that was an actual pandemic. This one requires inflated numbers, unbelievable coincidences, if that's what you want to call them, as I mentioned in previous posts, constant moving of goalposts, and now a casedemic because there are so few deaths.

    No masks in Sweden, everything open, football fans in stadiums from October on, and none of the ridiculous rules and restrictions in Ireland when it comes to anything really. They want to make it as unpleasant an experience as they can. I listened to an interview with a Swedish doctor the other day who said Sweden had moved on from the whole thing. Whereas in Ireland you can't escape from it.

    The Minister for Health wanted to give the guards the power to enter people's homes if there were more than six people gathered together. If that's not a police state then I don't know what is. A police state doesn't have to be as bad as the worst police states to be a police state.


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  • #4351
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Dionaibh wrote: »
    But that was an actual pandemic. This one requires inflated numbers, unbelievable coincidences, if that's what you want to call them, as I mentioned in previous posts, constant moving of goalposts, and now a casedemic because there are so few deaths.

    No masks in Sweden, everything open, football fans in stadiums from October on, and none of the ridiculous rules and restrictions in Ireland when it comes to anything really. They want to make it as unpleasant an experience as they can. I listened to an interview with a Swedish doctor the other day who said Sweden had moved on from the whole thing. Whereas in Ireland you can't escape from it.

    The Minister for Health wanted to give the guards the power to enter people's homes if there were more than six people gathered together. If that's not a police state then I don't know what is. A police state doesn't have to be as bad as the worst police states to be a police state.
    Sweden, Sweden , Sweden!!

    What about Brazil and Mexico who also did not have a lockdown and have excess deaths in the hundreds of thousands? What about that?
    It worked for Sweden, did not work for many others, the threat is real, excess deaths don't lie. Whatever about how deaths are officially counted, your claims is irrelevant as the excess deaths almost always correlate extremely strongly with the official covid death numbers. There's no arguing your way around that but I'm sure you'll try because you hate the fuss everyone is making so much.


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