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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #3932
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,041 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    What you believe is of no relevance to me. Although your post suggests you are familiar with every GAA club in the country, which of course is nonsense along with most of your commentary here.

    I believe you i've been on the side of the pitch for enough weeks now to know it's true.


  • #3933
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    3xh wrote: »
    Bear in mind, I suspect someone who physically contracted the virus naturally, is better vaccinated than someone that’s healthy but takes any vaccine brought to market.
    The vaccines currently in phase 3 trials produce levels of antibodies significantly higher than a natural infection (even a severe infection), and many are producing associated T-cells.

    Moderate and asymptomatic natural Covid infections seem to produce little in the way of antibody responses, so it's likely that people who have had Covid will also be recommended to take the vaccine when it is available.


  • #3934
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    I believe you i've been on the side of the pitch for enough weeks now to know it's true.

    I'm sure many are ignoring the bonkers outdoor suggestion but unlike some I will only mention what I have seen and not make a nonsense blanket claim.


  • #3935
    Dionaibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 734 ✭✭✭Dionaibh


    hmmm wrote: »
    You have a choice. What you don't have in society is the right to inflict the consequences of that choice on other people.

    You can build a racetrack in your back garden and go racing. Society doesn't allow you to do that outside a school.

    Once we have a vaccine, it would be completely immoral to ask the elderly and the vulnerable to remain isolated. At that point society will need to be protected from those who opt out of protecting society. Businesses will also be anxious to open up as fully and as safely as possible, and to protect their customers and their staff.

    But why are they are still isolating? It doesn't make sense.


  • #3936
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,041 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I'm sure many are ignoring the bonkers outdoor suggestion but unlike some I will only mention what I have seen and not make a nonsense blanket claim.

    The sooner the government come back the better. NPHET need to be stopped from all this experimentation with bonkers ideas.


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  • #3937
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    hmmm wrote: »
    The vaccines currently in phase 3 trials produce levels of antibodies significantly higher than a natural infection (even a severe infection), and many are producing associated T-cells.

    Moderate and asymptomatic natural Covid infections seem to produce little in the way of antibody responses, so it's likely that people who have had Covid will also be recommended to take the vaccine when it is available.

    Someone who’s been infected and defeated the virus naturally does not need the vaccine. They’ve defeated the infection & have their own immunity to the virus. Just because a vaccine produces higher antibody responses to date in certain studies does not mean it will ‘give more protection’. Antibodies in Covid can wear off over time but t-cell immunity seems to last much longer.


  • #3938
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    hmmm wrote: »
    Don't believe you. Every GAA club I know is taking this very seriously.

    Well you only have to look at the highlights from the weekends club games that were on the news to see there are people at the games. Other clubs all of a sudden with an awful lot of stewards standing at the side of the pitch too


  • #3939
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Well you only have to look at the highlights from the weekends club games that were on the news to see there are people at the games. Other clubs all of a sudden with an awful lot of stewards standing at the side of the pitch too

    Parents standing at sidelines due to child protection guidelines.


  • #3940
    Penfailed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,682 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It is also frustrating that people keep saying that the country is fully open or 90% open.
    This country hasn't been anything close to fully open since March. Anybody suggesting it is really doesn't understand the situation properly. You don't have almost 17% unemployment because pubs are closed.

    What percentage would you put it at?

    What was the unemployment rate before Covid? I think it was at around 5%. If it's at 17% now, 17 minus 5 is 12%...so you could say that the country is 88% open...no?

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  • #3941
    3xh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 594 ✭✭✭3xh


    hmmm wrote: »
    You have a choice. What you don't have in society is the right to inflict the consequences of that choice on other people.

    You can build a racetrack in your back garden and go racing. Society doesn't allow you to do that outside a school.

    Once we have a vaccine, it would be completely immoral to ask the elderly and the vulnerable to remain isolated. At that point society will need to be protected from those who opt out of protecting society. Businesses will also be anxious to open up as fully and as safely as possible, and to protect their customers and their staff.

    Ah hmmm. Come on. This isn’t personal but it’s clear you’re not a straight up, 100% normal member of the public just debating the whys and whatnots of how we all get through this Covid and eventually open up.

    That is a not a normal thing to say for someone just living through life like the majority of us. Be it a relative of someone medically vulnerable, an investor in the medical/pharma industry, a politician, some tracking/app idea investor, etc, you’re definitely more invested in this Covid stuff dragging on and being done away with by means of mandatory vaccine/health passport/loss of state supports/etc. only.

    People debate with a view to getting both sides/all available info in the hope of convincing the person you’re talking to that your point, in the main, makes better sense. It’s clear you have a particular focus that, as I say, a normal person just struggling to comply with these NPHET rules, make a living, see family, etc would never think of.

    As I say, no offence. I just feel if you’ve a particular personal agenda in all this Covid stuff, you should say so as otherwise for us trying to reason getting back to normal asap is best, it’s like fighting in the dark, blindfolded.


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  • #3942
    3xh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 594 ✭✭✭3xh


    Quote: hmmm
    The vaccines currently in phase 3 trials produce levels of antibodies significantly higher than a natural infection (even a severe infection), and many are producing associated T-cells.

    Moderate and asymptomatic natural Covid infections seem to produce little in the way of antibody responses, so it's likely that people who have had Covid will also be recommended to take the vaccine when it is available.


    Someone who’s been infected and defeated the virus naturally does not need the vaccine. They’ve defeated the infection & have their own immunity to the virus. Just because a vaccine produces higher antibody responses to date in certain studies does not mean it will ‘give more protection’. Antibodies in Covid can wear off over time but t-cell immunity seems to last much longer.


    Yep. I was just going to say this. I don’t understand how this is not the case, hmmm.


  • #3943
    Penfailed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,682 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    hmmm wrote: »
    No I don't think anyone should be forced to take a vaccine.

    But a vaccine does not provide perfect protection, and we can still have outbreaks as long as there are large numbers of unvaccinated people. We have rights too.

    I think business should be allowed get rid of social distancing requirements, as long as they admit only vaccinated people. We should also not be allowing unvaccinated people potentially carrying the disease into the country. Unvaccinated people should not be allowed work near vulnerable people such as in hospitals or nursing homes.

    Are you serious? You know that the uptake for the flu jab in NHS workers is way below 50%. Imagine trying to get them to take a rushed (yes, I said it again) vaccine in order to be able to work. Deluded.

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  • #3944
    3xh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 594 ✭✭✭3xh


    Penfailed wrote: »
    What percentage would you put it at?

    What was the unemployment rate before Covid? I think it was at around 5%. If it's at 17% now, 17 minus 5 is 12%...so you could say that the country is 88% open...no?

    It’s not that linear.

    Is someone who used to work 5 days per week but is now working 3 days, unemployed? Don’t think so.


  • #3945
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Penfailed wrote: »
    What percentage would you put it at?

    What was the unemployment rate before Covid? I think it was at around 5%. If it's at 17% now, 17 minus 5 is 12%...so you could say that the country is 88% open...no?

    Many people are back to work, but on reduced hours.


  • #3946
    Penfailed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,682 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    hmmm wrote: »
    Don't believe you. Every GAA club I know is taking this very seriously.

    Hahaha! There's over 2,000 GAA clubs in Ireland. How many do you know?

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  • #3947
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Penfailed wrote: »
    Hahaha! There's over 2,000 GAA clubs in Ireland. How many do you know?
    Like most people, a handful. The reading comprehension is as bad as the science on this thread.
    (From 3xh) Someone who’s been infected and defeated the virus naturally does not need the vaccine.
    Mild infections are giving very poor antibody responses according to current studies.


  • #3948
    3xh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 594 ✭✭✭3xh


    hmmm wrote: »

    Mild infections are giving very poor antibody responses according to current studies. Maybe you will regale us with your newly discovered knowledge of immunity, but I'm just going on what the experts are telling us.

    Well, as I’ve offered before, I’m impressed with your breadth of knowledge across the Covid threads of all things laboratory and pandemic.

    I’m not getting how a previous positive case still needs to get vaccinated to protect a medically vulnerable person who can’t take a vaccine.
    The severity of a person’s own immuno-reaction to receiving either a natural load or a lab vaccine shouldn’t dictate whether a vulnerable person will be or not be afflicted by spending time around that ‘healthier’ person.

    I acknowledge the so-called experts have, in the past, suggested both the natural immunity and the vaccine immunity were shown to be short-lived hence multiple vaccines. But unfortunately my natural suspicion of pharma has me thinking that was to make us feel grateful for when they find a single shot vaccine.


  • #3949
    GocRh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 252 ✭✭GocRh


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Many people are back to work, but on reduced hours.

    Payroll supports are still in place and supporting businesses that wouldn't be sustainable in the current environment. We will only know the full impacts once all supports come to an end.


  • #3950
    Penfailed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,682 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Many people are back to work, but on reduced hours.

    Yeah...but the place they are working is open. I'm not disputing the employment figures. It's the, "how much is open," that I'm querying.

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  • #3951
    Ten of Swords
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,433 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Let's keep the thread on the topic of relaxation of restrictions please

    A reminder;

    Vaccines thread
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058062347

    Covid megathread
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058106893

    Conspiracy theories forum
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=576

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    Category Moderator: Social & Fun



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  • #3952
    firemansam4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭firemansam4


    Just watching the start of prime time here, and I can't see how anyone can describe it as anything other than over the top scare mongering from the host.

    Just banging on about the over 200 cases today and keeps asking if restrictions will need to be tightened. Barely a mention about the fact of there being 10 days without deaths.

    As I've said before I have been supportive of restrictions in the past, I'll still wear a mask and still do what I can. But I'm really starting to question the media reporting on this and think there will be more like me if this trend continues.


  • #3953
    Penfailed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,682 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    hmmm wrote: »
    Like most people, a handful. The reading comprehension is as bad as the science on this thread.

    You choose to quote me about the number of GAA clubs that you know (or don't know) but ignore my post about the uptake for the flu jab in NHS workers?

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  • #3954
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,256 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    reckon GAA clubs are booking out areas of bars/hotels for there victory/runners up etc celebrations

    No social distance and time limits no doubt


  • #3955
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    3xh wrote: »
    The severity of a person’s own immuno-reaction to receiving either a natural load or a lab vaccine shouldn’t dictate whether a vulnerable person will be or not be afflicted by spending time around that ‘healthier’ person.
    Look at pages 18-21 of this:
    https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/risk-comms-updates/update-34-immunity-2nd.pdf?sfvrsn=8a488cb6_2

    We don't know enough yet about immunity or duration. This applies both to natural infections and vaccines, and applies to antibodies and all the other types of memory cells. It may (may) be the case that people who have had minor infections do not go on to develop the same type of durable immune response that a vaccine will provide.

    Hmmzis on the vaccine thread is the person to follow for all this stuff


  • #3956
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,039 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    I don't know how this country will get through the dark winter


  • #3957
    Diabhalta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,750 ✭✭✭Diabhalta


    this beer is 95 cents...

    they just keep bringing them no questions.

    Waitress has no face mask, she's not keeping safe distance. Should I be worried??? Am I too relaxed? What if covid? Is she too relaxed? Is Ireland hysterical? So many questions... Am I happy living normal life for a while? I know the answer: yes.

    20200901-153331.jpg


  • #3958
    Lundstram
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭Lundstram


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    reckon GAA clubs are booking out areas of bars/hotels for there victory/runners up etc celebrations

    No social distance and time limits no doubt
    Don't be talking sh1te.

    The GAA has done more than most during this. They handed over stadiums for testing, we have a return to play form to submit to a designated Covid19 officer before every single training session/match, random temperature checks, hand sanitzer dispensers in every club I've been at, haven't seen the inside of a dressing room since February.

    The funny thing is the GAA has suffered the most.

    So how about you get your facts straight before throwing around silly comments about drinking in the club when players have can't even enter a dressing room.


  • #3959
    JeffKenna
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,636 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    Diabhalta wrote: »
    this beer is 95 cents...

    they just keep bringing them no questions.

    Waitress has no face mask, she's not keeping safe distance. Should I be worried??? Am I too relaxed? What if covid? Is she too relaxed? Is Ireland hysterical? So many questions... Am I happy living normal life for a while? I know the answer: yes.

    20200901-153331.jpg

    Is it still bright outside at this time in the Czech Republic?


  • #3960
    Dionaibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 734 ✭✭✭Dionaibh


    firemansam4 wrote: »
    Just watching the start of prime time here, and I can't see how anyone can describe it as anything other than over the top scare mongering from the host.

    Just banging on about the over 200 cases today and keeps asking if restrictions will need to be tightened. Barely a mention about the fact of there being 10 days without deaths.

    As I've said before I have been supportive of restrictions in the past, I'll still wear a mask and still do what I can. But I'm really starting to question the media reporting on this and think there will be more like me if this trend continues.

    I really don't understand why people continue to watch RTÉ. It's a form of Stockholm Syndrome, I think.


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  • #3961
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,229 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Leo is not following the script here

    https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1300882140125593606


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