How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

Boggles · 31-08-2020 11:23AM

meeeeh wrote: »

Basically the teachers might be in a bit more risk but I think it's a price we should pay.

Are you a teacher?

meeeeh · 31-08-2020 11:25AM

Boggles wrote: »

Are you a teacher?

No and neither I am a medic but I would still expect them to work during the pandemic. If there are teachers who are not comfortable with that they can look for different profession (excluding the ones with obvious health issues).

Boggles · 31-08-2020 11:27AM

meeeeh wrote: »

No

Oh Okay.

I fixed your post so.

meeeeh wrote: »

Basically the teachers might be in a bit more risk but I think it's a price we they should pay.

Because when it comes to that particular bill, it will be nothing to do with you, correct?

average_runner · 31-08-2020 11:27AM

Boggles wrote: »

No they aren't.

There is no European country hitting the same actual amount of infections than they were in Spring.

They are detecting far more, key difference.

Common misconception, "Lockdown" was introduced so our emergency care didn't collapse.

Every thing else is secondary.

Also a 120 average cases a day is not "massive growth".

It's a worrying trend.

For another strain to have become the dominant strain, it would have had to replace the initial strain.

If anyone has any scientific evidence of that happening in any country in Europe at least, than by all means link it up.

France in March : 7.5k daily cases, Fri 7.4k cases, death rates way off
Croatia: April 90 cases max, weekend 350 cases, death rates less
Spain: April over 10k, now 7.5k, death rates way off

There is plenty more out there

Boggles · 31-08-2020 11:30AM

average_runner wrote: »

France in March : 7.5k daily cases, Fri 7.4k cases, death rates way off
Croatia: April 90 cases max, weekend 350 cases, death rates less
Spain: April over 10k, now 7.5k, death rates way off

There is plenty more out there

Did you even read the post you replied to?

Boggles wrote: »

There is no European country hitting the same actual amount of infections than they were in Spring.

They are detecting far more, key difference.

I give up.

meeeeh · 31-08-2020 11:34AM

Boggles wrote: »

Oh Okay.

I fixed your post so.

Because when it comes to that particular bill, it will be nothing to do with you, correct?

My husband is obese, there is a chance if kids bring something home he will be affected. MiL has dinner with us, she could be affected. I love my family and OH meets a lot of people because of his job but it is the risk we are willing to take because it's our livelihood and in the same way we want our kids in school. Teachers are not the only ones affected.

Boggles · 31-08-2020 11:37AM

meeeeh wrote: »

My husband is obese, there is a chance if kids bring something home he will be affected. MiL has dinner with us, she could be affected. I love my family and OH meets a lot of people because of his job but it is the risk we are willing to take because it's our livelihood and in the same way we want our kids in school. Teachers are not the only ones affected.

Unless your husband or "MIL" spend the day teaching 100s of other humans indoors, then no it's not the same risk. Your personal life does not equate to their professional life.

You do understand that right?

drunkmonkey · 31-08-2020 11:37AM

Is there a Science teacher in the audience?

Just looking at that picture in the independent from School Naomh Bríd, the young kids are all sitting in class as normal but the teacher is up front in a face shield, is the teacher not better off with circulating air than breathing trapped air under the shield, if a cloud of Covid was to pass under the shield they'd get a much larger dose by the looks of it.
As the teacher is way taller than the kids are we to assume that Covid rises in the air as children breath it out, I would have thought it drops to the ground.

average_runner · 31-08-2020 11:38AM

Boggles wrote: »

Did you even read the post you replied to?

I give up.

And why are the death rates way lower?

meeeeh · 31-08-2020 11:40AM

Boggles wrote: »

Unless your husband or "MIL" spend the day teaching 100s of other humans indoors, then no it's not the same risk. Your personal life does not equate to their professional life.

You do understand that right?

Are you claiming they are more in danger than medics? Meet factory workers? Gardai?

Boggles · 31-08-2020 11:40AM

average_runner wrote: »

And why are the death rates way lower?

Seriously?

If there is less people getting infected, less people will die.

Was I wrong to assume that was pretty obvious?

meeeeh · 31-08-2020 11:41AM

Boggles wrote: »

Unless your husband or "MIL" spend the day teaching 100s of other humans indoors, then no it's not the same risk. Your personal life does not equate to their professional life.

You do understand that right?

Newsflash we do have professional life outside the house. Since May.

Hawthorn Tree · 31-08-2020 11:42AM

I am hearing disturbing reports coming from the schools. The filthy children have taken over and many are rioting and licking/biting teachers and school objects. Other children are wandering around in a zombie like state. One teacher reporting having his phone stolen and Tiktok installed.

Teachers Unions have said that these working conditions have broken both Bertie's Benchmarking and the Croke Park Agreement. They are saying that if a teacher has to work ever 1 minute extra to cope with the wild children, they will call an immediate 6 month strike.

People are Boards.ie are saying 'I told you so'.

Toilet papers stocks are low-moderate.

Boggles · 31-08-2020 11:43AM

meeeeh wrote: »

Are you claiming they are more in danger than medics? Meet factory workers? Gardai?

I'm not claiming anything.

I simply pointed out you will not be making any sacrifice as you claimed on par with all school staff.

Trying to equate it with having your mother in law over for dinner is pretty batshít TBH.

So we might leave it there.

Loafing Oaf · 31-08-2020 11:44AM

Boggles wrote: »

No they aren't.

There is no European country hitting the same actual amount of infections than they were in Spring.

They are detecting far more, key difference.

Do you believe this is sufficient by itself to explain the massive discrepancy in death rates?

meeeeh · 31-08-2020 11:45AM

Boggles wrote: »

I'm not claiming anything.

I simply pointed out you will not be making any sacrifice as you claimed on par with all school staff.

Trying to equate it with having your mother in law over for dinner is pretty batshít TBH.

So we might leave it there.

Let's not leave it there. So what sacrifices are you making? Do you have children? Will your children get education. If we are getting personal then lets explore your credentials have an opinion how schools should reopen. Do you work out of home?

Btw I see you also feel entitled to rule on my personal life and how we should live it. You seem to be an expert for everything.

facehugger99 · 31-08-2020 11:49AM

Boggles wrote: »

Yes Deadly Pathogen.

What exactly is confusing you?

Probably the fact that more people have died on the roads in the last couple of weeks than from Covid. More people have died from suicide in the last 2 weeks than from Covid.

Jeez, I nearly forgot, only covid deaths count.

Deadly pathogen? - hysterical nonsense more like

Boggles · 31-08-2020 11:50AM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Do you believe this is sufficient by itself to explain the massive discrepancy in death rates?

Lower infection rate, profile of infections, hospital headroom, treatments, etc.

Again, this is not my opinion, there is no scientific evidence based study that shows that a weaker less deadly virus has become dominant in Europe, by all means if you have something link it up.

In relation to Spain though.

On Friday, the number of people admitted into hospital with coronavirus “in the last seven days” was 1,467, compared to 953 the week before, and 673, 438, 296 and 196 in the previous four weeks. On June 9, there were 150 hospitalizations, barely one-tenth of the figure reported on Friday. We know that the data from the Health Ministry is incomplete, but it highlights a worrying trend. What’s more, according to figures from the regions put together by the project Escovid19data, during the first 15 days of August the number of hospitalizations rose from 1,350 to nearly 3,000.

The deaths sadly will follow. It's all ready started.

In the space of a month, the Health Ministry has gone from reporting between 10 to 15 weekly deaths to 135 last week. And it is likely that this is a significant underestimation

Boggles · 31-08-2020 11:51AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Probably the fact that more people have died on the roads in the last couple of weeks than from Covid. More people have died from suicide in the last 2 weeks than from Covid.

Jeez, I nearly forgot, only covid deaths count.

Deadly pathogen? - hysterical nonsense more like

Cool.

Have you a blog I can follow?

Boggles · 31-08-2020 11:52AM

meeeeh wrote: »

Let's not leave it there. So what sacrifices are you making? Do you have children? Will your children get education. If we are getting personal then lets explore your credentials have an opinion how schools should reopen. Do you work out of home?

Btw I see you also feel entitled to rule on my personal life and how we should live it. You seem to be an expert for everything.

I'm not getting personal you volunteered your tragic attempt at personal equivalency.

Like I said we will leave it there.

average_runner · 31-08-2020 11:54AM

Russman wrote: »

I honestly think a lot (in fairness, not all of it) of the concern about kids is really parents sick of having to deal with them for the last 5 months.

Obviously not a parent.

Kids went to school so excited, it was great to see. Kids want to learn, interact.

The happiness around the school from the teachers and kids was great to see.

meeeeh · 31-08-2020 11:54AM

Boggles wrote: »

I'm not getting personal you volunteered you tragic attempt at personal equivalency.

Like I said we will leave it there.

So you are staying on your high ivory throne not volunteering your personal circumstances but but demanding them from others and pontificating on them. Nice.

Locotastic · 31-08-2020 11:56AM

Boggles wrote: »

The deaths sadly will follow. It's all ready started.

It's about keeping it away from the elderly and vulnerable.

Can't link the article but from the Irish Times.

Across Europe, despite cases steadily creeping up in recent weeks, death rates are also markedly lower than they were earlier this year.

In Italy, where up to 900 people were dying a day in spring, more than 1,000 cases were confirmed last Saturday, but just three deaths were reported.

France recorded almost 5,000 new cases on Sunday, the highest daily total since May, but only one death.

In the UK, where deaths surpassed 1,000 a day during the worst of the pandemic, less than six people are now dying on average daily.

Falling mortality rate is directly related to a decline in the number of over-65s contracting the virus.

Some 93 per cent of Irelands total deaths from the virus have been in this age group, with four in five among people over 75 and 44 per cent among those 85 and older.

TonyMaloney · 31-08-2020 11:58AM

meeeeh wrote: »

So you are staying on your high ivory throne not volunteering your personal circumstances but but demanding them from others and pontificating on them. Nice.

The phrase is "ivory tower".

An ivory throne would simply be an uncomfortable chair.

meeeeh · 31-08-2020 12:01PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

The phrase is "ivory tower".

An ivory throne would simply be an uncomfortable chair.

Thanks. It's always nice to be reminded I'm not a native speaker.

irishblessing · 31-08-2020 12:02PM

Locotastic wrote: »

It's about keeping it away from the elderly and vulnerable.

Can't link the article but from the Irish Times.

Across Europe, despite cases steadily creeping up in recent weeks, death rates are also markedly lower than they were earlier this year.

In Italy, where up to 900 people were dying a day in spring, more than 1,000 cases were confirmed last Saturday, but just three deaths were reported.

France recorded almost 5,000 new cases on Sunday, the highest daily total since May, but only one death.

In the UK, where deaths surpassed 1,000 a day during the worst of the pandemic, less than six people are now dying on average daily.

Falling mortality rate is directly related to a decline in the number of over-65s contracting the virus.

Some 93 per cent of Irelands total deaths from the virus have been in this age group, with four in five among people over 75 and 44 per cent among those 85 and older.

I wonder if I read the same article, it was similar anyway. It pointed out that the place we're in now is where we were at the very start of the virus before we knew it was here. It was taking hold in those who are asymptomatic or experiencing milder symptoms. It starts spreading and increasing. A virology professor (think it was Cork) estimated that if we stay on this path we could be up to thousands of cases a day by Christmas. The deaths then follow. Because they know that 20 % will need hospitalisation, 15% will need oxygen and 5% on ventilators.

meeeeh · 31-08-2020 12:06PM

I'm pretty sure it's this one:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/why-are-deaths-and-hospitalisations-from-covid-19-falling-so-dramatically-1.4340185

Gods Gift · 31-08-2020 12:18PM

Dropped off my 4 year old nephew to play school this morning as his mother was working. All went as planned until a friend of his, who he hadn’t seen in ages came over and gave him a hug. She was in a different pod and everything
She is the same age as him and no cop on. Maybe I was over the top calling her a granny killer.

Boggles · 31-08-2020 12:19PM

Locotastic wrote: »

It's about keeping it away from the elderly and vulnerable.

Indeed, but the more cases you have the more over spill you will have.

It's inevitable.

But it's not just about keeping the elderly and vulnerable away from the virus.

It's not just that category that needs hospitalization.

46% of those hospitalized in Ireland were under 64 years of age.

Remember the primary goal is to protect emergency care and by extension our hospitals.

Elderly people who contracted Covid in care homes in a lot of instances didn't make it near an emergency room let alone an ICU, so as sad as it sounds, they were never going to add to any "problem" in our hospital system.

Charles Babbage · 31-08-2020 12:24PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Probably the fact that more people have died on the roads in the last couple of weeks than from Covid. More people have died from suicide in the last 2 weeks than from Covid.

No, road deaths count too, and road traffic regulations continue to be enforced to minimise these. Presumably those who believe that people should be free not wear masks etc also have no problem with suicide. The difference between suicide and road accidents or Covid is that in the latter the irresponsible kill others as well as themselves.

How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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