2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

Kidchameleon wrote: »

The DNC, whilst having higher TV ratings, was overshadowed by the RNC which had higher combined TV and online views. It appears that Americans are sick of the democrats and their identity politics fueled riots. I'd go so far as to say Trump is heading for a landslide.

The Trump campaign, the Republican National Committee and their joint-fundraising committees raked in $76 million during the 2020 Republican National Convention whilst the Biden campaign brought in just $70 million during the DNC

The Trump campaign’s efforts exceeded those of the Biden campaign.

The Republican National Convention brought in 147.9 million total views across television and online between Monday and the end of Thursday night's programming whilst The DNC convention had a mere 122 million total viewers through television and online.

More information:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-campaign-millions-republican-national-convention

Trumps whole sthick is identity politics. Labelling everyone else as left wing socialists and rioters.

Without identity politics Trump has nothing to talk about.

He has just changed the traditional identities to new ones. Minorities, gun owners, freedom lovers, neo nazis etc

Danzy wrote: »

Whatever about the right or wrong of Kyle's shooting or his character.

We can all surely agree that the world is a nicer and safer place for kids and women now that those 2 pricks are dead.

we can all certainly agree that the world will be a nicer and safer place when Kyle spends the rest of his life in prison.

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

According to data released by the CDC 94% of those people that are listed as covid deaths, died with a serious underlying condition so it's safe to say that they died with covid rather than from covid alone.

So how many Americans died as a direct result of covid? Around 10,000 but I'm sure people will claim if they died with covid then covid was the cause of death :rolleyes: .

http://nbc25news.com/news/local/cdc-94-of-covid-19-deaths-had-underlying-medical-conditions

you can pretty much excuse anything using that logic.

People get murdered, well they would have died eventually. Euthanasia, sure why not, the old haven't got much time left anyway.

Sure many of those killed in 9/11 had health problems or would have developed them so did they really lose out?

What are the excess death numbers vs say the average of the last 5 years? Over 200k according to protonmikes link. Obviously you have different numbers that indicate hardly any excess deaths. Perhaps you could provide a link?

But even if we take your point as reasonable. Surely that implies that Trump was even more irresponsible to have done nothing about the virus for so long, pretending it was all a hoak, or would simply go away, knowing how it would impact on those with current health problems?

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

According to data released by the CDC 94% of those people that are listed as covid deaths, died with a serious underlying condition so it's safe to say that they died with covid rather than from covid alone.

So how many Americans died as a direct result of covid? Around 10,000 but I'm sure people will claim if they died with covid then covid was the cause of death :rolleyes: .

http://nbc25news.com/news/local/cdc-94-of-covid-19-deaths-had-underlying-medical-conditions

Thats just wrong, many of the other illness there were likely caught as a direct consequence of COVID. So you are right they didnt die with COVID alone, but that is not the same at all as not dieing from COVID.

The actual mortality rate of COVID and the balance of the economy vs lockdown are for other threads.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

we are all going to die anyway so the point that trumpists make is particularly stupid. it does show that the party that considers itself pro-life is spectacularly callous when it comes to deaths. they basically have a 9/11 every couple of days and they dont give a monkeys.

57% of Republicans think that c.180k deaths from Covid is acceptable. The "pro-life" party! https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2020/08/23/poll-57-of-republicans-find-coronavirus-death-toll-now-over-176000-acceptable/#565e540e46c6

namloc1980 wrote: »

57% of Republicans think that c.180k deaths from Covid is acceptable. The "pro-life" party! https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2020/08/23/poll-57-of-republicans-find-coronavirus-death-toll-now-over-176000-acceptable/#565e540e46c6

The death per million figure of 552 for the USA is similar to the death per million figure of the UK, Sweden, France and Italy.

So the US ain't doing a terrible job at dealing with it despite people constantly talking about the total deaths.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-covid-deaths-per-million?tab=table

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

The death per million figure of 552 for the USA is similar to the death per million figure of the UK, Sweden, France and Italy.

So the US ain't doing a terrible job at dealing with it despite people constantly talking about the total deaths.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-covid-deaths-per-million?tab=table

the difference is that the deaths per million rate for the US is still on a vertical trajectory. the others (with the exception of the UK) have leveled out. it is september tomorrow and they still have not got a grip on the virus. there is no will from trump to solve the problem. he didnt even mention it during the RNC. 180,000 and not a word about them.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The biggest determining factor in protests getting violent is the maturity and attitudes of the protestors, groups like antifa or blm are most often comprised of people living off their parents or the welfare state who have nothing to lose and a jealous distaste for businesses and the wealthy, they dont see how short sighted property damage is and fail fo see the immorality of looting.

Protestors get violent to things they don't have respect for , its why right wing groups have no issue attacking counter protests and left wing groups have no issue attacking property, police, businesses, counter protests, white people, wealthy people, Non aligned politicians, flags, monuments and statues etc...

Murderer in Wisconsin was 17. His mother drove him to the protest so he could play cop, and while at it murder two people
Alt-right types with Proud in their names typically live in their basements or on the dole. Ammon Bundy, recently arrested, lives at home.

Who are Antifa, exactly? Have you got a link?

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The UK, Sweden and France were hit badly because they handled it terribly. Italy was one of the first hit countries and simply wasn't equipped to cope with it. So, why are you classifying it as a not terrible job?

They all handled it as best they could same as the US and Trump that why I'm not classifying it as a terrible job.

Fiery mutant wrote: »

The US is doing a terrible job. The comparison with the other countries you mention is that the US numbers are still moving at a high rate. The other countries you mention put in significant efforts to curtail the effects, massive lockdowns etc. The US came out of lockdown far too early, the president made little to no effort to control or eradicate the virus, spent the entire time talking about himself, accepting no responsibility while blaming everyone else, and generally being a racist a-hole.

What a load of nonsense, why don't you tell us about Spain and how effective their lockdown was in curtailing the virus?

Jesus wept, the argument is now America aren’t doing a bad job because the death rate is comparable with other countries not doing a good job. Is this the Trump way? Lower the bar and claim victory when the lowered bar is reached.

greenfield21 wrote: »

What a load of nonsense, why don't you tell us about Spain and how effective their lockdown was in curtailing the virus?

Since their main lockdown and mask mandate became effective they currently have a 7-day deaths moving daily average of 22 in Spain. The 7 day moving daily average in the USA is 921. Adjusting for population size the Spanish number would be 154 - substantially lower than the US.

At the end of July those numbers were 2 (14 adjusted for population) for Spain and 1,154 for the US.

Spain has had a spike (especially in Catalonia) but that spike is still nowhere near as bad as the ongoing situation in the US. Not even close. As Joe Biden would say "come on, man"!

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

greenfield21 wrote: »

What a load of nonsense, why don't you tell us about Spain and how effective their lockdown was in curtailing the virus?

Because the virus had already got in by the time the real lockdown occurred. The US had extra warning. Trump was warning back in November but as late of January was telling everyone that China was doing a fantastic job and praising Xi for his handling of it. The US had previously had people inside China keeping an eye out for this type of event, which he shut down.

He then wasted weeks fighting with Cuomo, seemingly on the basis that it was only hitting NY because of Dems and that as it had not impacted Red states than everything would be fine. That went against every bit of evidence that was available. He sought to make it a stand off between himself and them, rather than looking to deal with the problem.

He told everyone that it would soon go away. And his actions show that he worked on that basis.

Tump had the time, and resources, to make sure that the US didn't have to suffer the same faith as those countries that did a poor job, He choose not to. As late as April he was demanding that churches reopen for Easter and he continued to claim that the economy was far more important.

Ther is no indication that the current death rate of 1k a day will be decling anytime soon. Each time aposter comes out with the comparison with other countries the numbers for America get worse. It was only a few weeks ago that the detahs per million were in the 4 hundreds, not its not the 500. Schools are reopening, college, sports are about to go back.

This is far from over and Trump is currently reducing the amount of testing so there is no reason to believe that they are any closer to containing this than they were 5 months ago.

Only a vaccine can save them now. I fully expect a vacine announcement in October, coupled with some vague plans of a roll out and availability. THis will be talked about until Noverber 4th, when it will all mysteriously hit a speed bump about a week after he wins the election