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2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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  • #4862
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Rep. Steve Scalise faked content in a Biden attack ad. He inserted the words "for police" into a question a disabled reporter asks, who speaks with an assistance device.

    Taking advantage of someone's disability to produce libelous content. Scalise is in hot water.

    https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1300075359929544705?s=20


  • #4863
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    https://twitter.com/mviser/status/1300154855546392577?s=20


  • #4864
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,371 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Has Joe Biden spelled out his policies on what he's going to do to tackle crime, police brutality, the causes of crime?


  • #4865
    AllForIt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,690 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    briany wrote: »
    Trump's supporters will always vote for him. The question is what reason has he given swing voters to vote for him? If you'd been talking about this in Jan, the economy was running along nicely. This could have been enough by itself.

    Since then, the George Floyd protests/riots and coronavirus have shown a worrying inability to lead. Or rather a desire not to be a unifying leader but instead taking sides and pointing fingers. These are not the actions of a dignified statesman or a true leader for all Americans.

    I actually think the riots are going in his favour rather than not. But yeah there's a lot to weight up.


  • #4866
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,856 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Has Joe Biden spelled out his policies on what he's going to do to tackle crime, police brutality, the causes of crime?

    Has Trump spelled out his? Last time he was asked he couldn't answer and went off on a ramble about sleeping in Washington.


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  • #4867
    AllForIt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,690 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Has Joe Biden spelled out his policies on what he's going to do to tackle crime, police brutality, the causes of crime?

    Hardly, because it could be construed he's targeting the black community which is the last thing he wants to do right now.


  • #4868
    AllForIt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,690 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Overheal wrote: »
    Me and my friend, who owns business property in Chicago, have been having this same conversation. Your right to defend your property extends to your property. Were the people on the private property? Were they on a public street, or publicly accessible easement, driveway, lot, etc?

    If I had as imminent a concern as I would if I owned property in Portland, Chicago, Kenosha, etc. my first choice would be surveillance, which is cheaper than ever. $300 for a Nest camera is cheaper than most firearms, of the escalation of legal fees associated with choosing armed confrontation as your first layer of protection. My parents in FL had their licence plate stolen on their driveway, they don't patrol the front yard with AR-15s they have a camera. In the case of Kenosha board up your windows and give your property a low profile, not a high profile. During the LA riots shopkeepers were on their rooftops like it was a battlements, it was as much a threat to stay away as an invitation to open warfare. If your shop is secured properly you can wait inside, monitor your surveillance and there is a far higher probability you will be left alone than if you go marching the streets with a rifle and getting into shouting matches with protesters.

    If there were a gang of people outside your house, on the road say, not your property, would you just ignore it. Not feel there's any problem as they are not currently on your property.

    Surveillance won't do anything to STOP marauding face covered gangs doing what they are intent on doing.


  • #4869
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,042 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Has Joe Biden spelled out his policies on what he's going to do to tackle crime, police brutality, the causes of crime?

    Here are Joes Plans. You can find what you are looking for in there.
    • Build Back Better: Jobs and Economic Recovery for Working Families
    • Build Back Better: Racial Equity Across the American Economy
    • Build Back Better: 21st Century Caregiving and Education Workforce
    • Build Back Better: Sustainable Infrastructure and a Clean Energy Future
    • Ensure the Future is “Made in All of America” by All of America’s Workers
    • Joe Biden’s Roadmap to Reopening Schools Safely
    • The Biden Agenda for Women
    • The Biden Plan for Full Participation and Equality for People With Disabilities
    • Joe’s Leadership in Times of Crisis: COVID-19
    • Joe Biden’s Proposals to Set Up Support for Deserving Small Businesses
    • The Biden 4-Point Plan for Our Essential Workers
    • The Biden Plan to Scale Up Employment Insurance
    • The Biden Plan for Bankruptcy Reform
    • The Biden Plan for Combating Coronavirus (COVID-19)
    • Lift Every Voice: The Biden Plan for Black America
    • The Biden Plan for Central America
    • The Biden Plan for Immigration
    • The Biden Plan for Veterans
    • The Biden Plan for Military Families
    • The Biden Plan for Encouraging Unions and Empowering Workers
    • The Biden Plan for Campaign Finance and Government Reform
    • The Biden Plan For Education Beyond High School
    • The Biden Plan for Ending Gun Violence
    • The Biden Plan for Violence Against Women
    • The Biden Plan for Criminal Justice Reform
    • The Biden Plan for Rural America
    • The Biden Plan for Older Americans and Retirement
    • The Biden Plan for Health Care
    • The Biden Plan for Restoring American Leadership
    • The Biden Plan for Climate Change
    • The Biden Plan for K-12 Education
    • The Biden Plan for Housing
    • The Biden Plan for LGBTQ+ Equality
    • The Biden Plan for Opioids and Substance Use Disorders
    • Joe Biden's Agenda for The Catholic Community
    • Joe Biden’s Agenda For Students
    • Joe Biden's Agenda for The Black Community
    • Joe Biden’s Agenda for the AAPI Community
    • Joe Biden's Agenda for the Indian American Community
    • Joe Biden's Agenda for the Jewish Community
    • Joe Biden’s Agenda for Muslim-American Communities
    • Joe Biden’s Commitment to Indian Country
    • Joe Biden's Agenda for the Latino Community
    • The Biden Plan to Invest in Middle Class Competitiveness
    • The Biden Plan for Environmental Justice
    • Joe Biden and the Arab American Community: A Plan for Partnership

    Can you give us a link to Trumps?


  • #4870
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    AllForIt wrote: »
    If there were a gang of people outside your house, on the road say, not your property, would you just ignore it. Not feel there's any problem as they are not currently on your property.

    Surveillance won't do anything to STOP marauding face covered gangs doing what they are intent on doing.

    That's the thrust of it yes. If lethal force is an option on the table, I am not going to go escalate a confrontation by engaging people that have not stepped foot on my property.


  • #4871
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,371 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Here are Joes Plans. You can find what you are looking for in there.
    • Build Back Better: Jobs and Economic Recovery for Working Families
    • Build Back Better: Racial Equity Across the American Economy
    • Build Back Better: 21st Century Caregiving and Education Workforce
    • Build Back Better: Sustainable Infrastructure and a Clean Energy Future
    • Ensure the Future is “Made in All of America” by All of America’s Workers
    • Joe Biden’s Roadmap to Reopening Schools Safely
    • The Biden Agenda for Women
    • The Biden Plan for Full Participation and Equality for People With Disabilities
    • Joe’s Leadership in Times of Crisis: COVID-19
    • Joe Biden’s Proposals to Set Up Support for Deserving Small Businesses
    • The Biden 4-Point Plan for Our Essential Workers
    • The Biden Plan to Scale Up Employment Insurance
    • The Biden Plan for Bankruptcy Reform
    • The Biden Plan for Combating Coronavirus (COVID-19)
    • Lift Every Voice: The Biden Plan for Black America
    • The Biden Plan for Central America
    • The Biden Plan for Immigration
    • The Biden Plan for Veterans
    • The Biden Plan for Military Families
    • The Biden Plan for Encouraging Unions and Empowering Workers
    • The Biden Plan for Campaign Finance and Government Reform
    • The Biden Plan For Education Beyond High School
    • The Biden Plan for Ending Gun Violence
    • The Biden Plan for Violence Against Women
    • The Biden Plan for Criminal Justice Reform
    • The Biden Plan for Rural America
    • The Biden Plan for Older Americans and Retirement
    • The Biden Plan for Health Care
    • The Biden Plan for Restoring American Leadership
    • The Biden Plan for Climate Change
    • The Biden Plan for K-12 Education
    • The Biden Plan for Housing
    • The Biden Plan for LGBTQ+ Equality
    • The Biden Plan for Opioids and Substance Use Disorders
    • Joe Biden's Agenda for The Catholic Community
    • Joe Biden’s Agenda For Students
    • Joe Biden's Agenda for The Black Community
    • Joe Biden’s Agenda for the AAPI Community
    • Joe Biden's Agenda for the Indian American Community
    • Joe Biden's Agenda for the Jewish Community
    • Joe Biden’s Agenda for Muslim-American Communities
    • Joe Biden’s Commitment to Indian Country
    • Joe Biden's Agenda for the Latino Community
    • The Biden Plan to Invest in Middle Class Competitiveness
    • The Biden Plan for Environmental Justice
    • Joe Biden and the Arab American Community: A Plan for Partnership

    Can you give us a link to Trumps?

    All them say plans.

    Specifically. Does he plan a greater redistribution of wealth for example, to alleviate poverty, the main cause of crime.

    This would of course, rid the need of the heavy police state America lives with.


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  • #4872
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,042 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    All them say plans.

    Specifically. Does he plan a greater redistribution of wealth for example, to alleviate poverty, the main cause of crime.

    This would of course, rid the need of the heavy police state America lives with.

    You asked for policies, what do you think plans are?

    So, you think the solution to the crime problems in America need a massive, dare I say it, socialist, actually, maybe even closer to a communist approach in order to resolve them.

    Interesting concept. Do you think Trump is saving that for his 2nd term, or why didn't he do it over the last 4 years.


  • #4873
    Hego Damask
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 842 ✭✭✭Hego Damask


    Overheal wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/mviser/status/1300154855546392577?s=20

    He is only denouncing it now as the polls are shifting, there has been non stop 3 months of this crap and he has said nothing - in fact he has fueled it.

    But alas, I am not being fair, the poor senile old fool is not even writing any of this, he is barely aware of what day of the week or year it is , never mind that the democrats want to burn America to the ground and turn it into a third world ****hole.


  • #4874
    AllForIt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,690 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Overheal wrote: »
    That's the thrust of it yes. If lethal force is an option on the table, I am not going to go escalate a confrontation by engaging people that have not stepped foot on my property.

    I agree with that to an extent. But the point is people want to STOP ppl coming on their property in the first place. You're not factoring in the human intimidation and fear factor side of it, when you don't know in advance what the the gangs intentions are. Once they are on your property...it's too late.

    edit: I don't agree with lethal force, just some force. At least some to put them off.


  • #4875
    Carfacemandog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    Hego Damask wrote: »
    He is only denouncing it now as the polls are shifting, there has been non stop 3 months of this crap and he has said nothing - in fact he has fueled it..

    Then how do you explain his denouncing the violence as early as May, just days after the protests began? https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachelsandler/2020/05/31/george-floyd-protests-saturday/#46d9c3037651

    “Protesting such brutality is right and necessary. It’s an utterly American response. But burning down communities and needless destruction is not. Violence that endangers lives is not. Violence that guts and shutters businesses that serve the community is not.”


  • #4876
    AllForIt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,690 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Tell me how wrote: »
    So, you think the solution to the crime problems in America need a massive, dare I say it, socialist, actually, maybe even closer to a communist approach in order to resolve them.

    A communist approach might be to introduce mandatory military service, if that's what you meant. Maybe not a bad idea.


  • #4877
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    All them say plans.

    Specifically. Does he plan a greater redistribution of wealth for example, to alleviate poverty, the main cause of crime.

    This would of course, rid the need of the heavy police state America lives with.

    Build Back Better: Jobs and Economic Recovery for Working Families
    The Biden Plan for Full Participation and Equality for People With Disabilities
    Joe Biden’s Proposals to Set Up Support for Deserving Small Businesses
    The Biden 4-Point Plan for Our Essential Workers
    The Biden Plan to Scale Up Employment Insurance
    The Biden Plan for Bankruptcy Reform
    The Biden Plan for Encouraging Unions and Empowering Workers
    The Biden Plan For Education Beyond High School
    The Biden Plan for Ending Gun Violence
    The Biden Plan for Criminal Justice Reform
    The Biden Plan for K-12 Education
    The Biden Plan for Opioids and Substance Use Disorders
    Joe Biden’s Agenda For Students


  • #4878
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Hego Damask wrote: »
    He is only denouncing it now as the polls are shifting, there has been non stop 3 months of this crap and he has said nothing - in fact he has fueled it.

    Supply evidence please.


  • #4879
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    AllForIt wrote: »
    I agree with that to an extent. But the point is people want to STOP ppl coming on their property in the first place. You're not factoring in the human intimidation and fear factor side of it, when you don't know in advance what the the gangs intentions are. Once they are on your property...it's too late.

    edit: I don't agree with lethal force, just some force. At least some to put them off.

    That's not their prerogative.


  • #4880
    AllForIt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,690 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Overheal wrote: »
    That's not their prerogative.

    So, the police should do it then. But are they.

    You must admit that's very hard to manage, where on the one hand you have 'peaceful' protests but on the other non-peaceful protests. How to tell which is which until it's too late.


  • #4881
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    AllForIt wrote: »
    So, the police should do it then. But are they.

    Last I checked?
    You must admit that's very hard to manage, where on the one hand you have 'peaceful' protests but on the other non-peaceful protests. How to tell which is which until it's too late.

    Naturally. That's another reason why not wise to act as a vigilante toward people in a public assembly.


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  • #4882
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    For the first time in a couple of months Biden and Trump are now level on the Betting odds with Paddy Power. Both 10/11.

    Trump was 6/4 last week. Went to Evens yesterday and now 10/11. This is before any debates and now the BLM/Antifa Riots are becoming increasingly violent.

    Seems to me the Democrats are just saying things to keep the extreme end of their party happy. As opposed to trying to appeal to the floating voter.


  • #4883
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,052 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    For the first time in a couple of months Biden and Trump are now level on the Betting odds with Paddy Power. Both 10/11.

    Trump was 6/4 last week. Went to Evens yesterday and now 10/11. This is before any debates and now the BLM/Antifa Riots are becoming increasingly violent.

    Seems to me the Democrats are just saying things to keep the extreme end of their party happy. As opposed to trying to appeal to the floating voter.

    And Trump is doing what exactly?

    Biden is targeting the floating voter. Those than regret voting Trump, those that don't vote normally. It is why there is so few undecided so far out from the election.

    Jesus, the entire RNC was spent appealing directly to his base, never mind the last 4 years from Trump himself.


  • #4884
    dwayneshintzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭dwayneshintzy


    Overheal wrote: »
    Supply evidence please.
    The "evidence" they seem to often give is Biden supporting peaceful protests, and a wilful conflation of protestors to imply that all are collectively violent.


  • #4885
    dwayneshintzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭dwayneshintzy


    AllForIt wrote: »
    So, the police should do it then. But are they.

    You must admit that's very hard to manage, where on the one hand you have 'peaceful' protests but on the other non-peaceful protests. How to tell which is which until it's too late.
    Very often, the single biggest determining factor as to whether a protest turns violent is the actions of the police towards that protest.


  • #4886
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    The DNC, whilst having higher TV ratings, was overshadowed by the RNC which had higher combined TV and online views. It appears that Americans are sick of the democrats and their identity politics fueled riots. I'd go so far as to say Trump is heading for a landslide.

    The Trump campaign, the Republican National Committee and their joint-fundraising committees raked in $76 million during the 2020 Republican National Convention whilst the Biden campaign brought in just $70 million during the DNC

    The Trump campaign’s efforts exceeded those of the Biden campaign.

    The Republican National Convention brought in 147.9 million total views across television and online between Monday and the end of Thursday night's programming whilst The DNC convention had a mere 122 million total viewers through television and online.

    More information:

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-campaign-millions-republican-national-convention


  • #4887
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    Carfacemandog wrote: »
    Exactly as I said, Trump claims to be against white suoremacists... while praising attendees of a white supremacist organised rally as 'very fine people'.

    Replace the KKK/Spencer with Al Qaeda/ISIS, and Trump with Obama, and there would rightfully have been absolute uproar. But because it's Trump, his supporters feel the dutiful need to defend him to the hilt no matter what.

    If there is one thing that Trump has said that is completely true, it is that he could shoot a man in the street and not lose supporters.

    This is why Trump never denounced white supremacist support from the likes of Charlottesville organiser Richard Spencer, because he knows well that his supporters who are not racists are more than happy to mingle with them, and defend them if it means defending Trump. Such is the nature of cultism.

    Thats actually the first time i have heard that. What he said makes alot more sense now. And is alot less contraversial than has been suggested many times... Bit if you repeat a lie enough

    He literally disassociated the comment and himself from white nationalists in that video.

    Trump being elected no doubt showed up divisions in Ameruca, but the media seems intent on pushing peoole further apart with sensationalist reporting (on both sides)


  • #4888
    extra gravy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,245 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    It appears that Americans are sick of the democrats and their identity politics fueled riots.[/URL]

    But they're not sick of the fact that the Republican administration's inept response to the pandemic has resulted in the deaths of 170k of their fellow Americans?


  • #4889
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    extra gravy wrote: »
    But they're not sick of the fact that the Republican administration's inept response to the pandemic has resulted in the deaths of 170k of their fellow Americans?

    According to data released by the CDC 94% of those people that are listed as covid deaths, died with a serious underlying condition so it's safe to say that they died with covid rather than from covid alone.

    So how many Americans died as a direct result of covid? Around 10,000 but I'm sure people will claim if they died with covid then covid was the cause of death :rolleyes: .

    http://nbc25news.com/news/local/cdc-94-of-covid-19-deaths-had-underlying-medical-conditions


  • #4890
    [Deleted User]
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    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    According to data released by the CDC 94% of those people that are listed as covid deaths, died with a serious underlying condition so it's safe to say that they died with covid rather than from covid alone.

    So how many Americans died as a direct result of covid? Around 10,000 but I'm sure people will claim if they died with covid then covid was the cause of death :rolleyes: .

    http://nbc25news.com/news/local/cdc-94-of-covid-19-deaths-had-underlying-medical-conditions

    The majority of them would be alive if they had not caught covid. So trying to rewrite it to only 10,000 covid deaths is the height of dishonesty.


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  • #4891
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The majority of them would be alive if they had not caught covid.

    Can you provide any evidence for this claim?


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