Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

Goldengirl · 29-08-2020 02:36AM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Well thats a relief, have you a link to the revised version?

You were right .
Cardiologist in the Mater has said the same thing this week about young previously healthy adults presenting with cardiac inflammation

Also in children , its not Kawasaki dusease but very similar , called Paediatric Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome , with cardiac, renal and neurological inflammation and damage .
Studies of children in paediatric hospitals in UK, Canada and Ireland have shown it to be an issue although not common, in children following asymptomatic or mild Covid infection .
So not trying to panic people but this is for real and while we don't know yet how common , there are cases occurring of these complications.

Atlantic Dawn · 29-08-2020 03:00AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Some people think the nursing homes are all secure now, the fact is increased community spread will eventually spread there. It's all about risk. Lower cases = less risk, higher cases = higher risk.
It's not just nursing homes, there's plenty of people who would be living a normal life, but if they contact this virus they have a greater risk of death.

Only if employees and visitors are left mix with them, assume everyone has it and take precautions.

s1ippy · 29-08-2020 03:02AM

Covid-19: Teenager still dealing with effects after three hospitalisations (via @IrishTimes) https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-teenager-still-dealing-with-effects-after-three-hospitalisations-1.4341330

Bit of light bedtime reading

Goldengirl · 29-08-2020 03:03AM

bb1234567 wrote: »

If that were true then excess mortality would not be so high currently, far higher than the confirmed death toll. To say that the only people who actually died because of COVID are those without health conditions is horrendoulsly poor comprehension of that information and the situation. People with hypertension, diabetes can have normal lifespans, they are two of the biggest risk factors however.

Almost 50% of Americans have at least one chronic disease of some kind. So essentially you're telling us that you believe that only a maximum of 1 in every two people who may potentially die of COVID should even be allowed to have COVID put on their death certificate as they had an existing condition. And you don't think thats a ridiculous belief?
Even if COVID killed oh I don't know something crazy like 10 million Americans, straight off the bat in your opinion the death toll in reality is about 5 million.That's just mad.

Agree + 100 .
That poster either cannot understand the data in his quoted text , but you have explained it well , or is deliberately misconstruing the results.
To say that people with underlying conditions do not die of Covid is bizarre when it is these underlying conditions that we all know make treatment and recovery so much more difficult .
What needs to be highlighted from this data is the amount of healthy Americans that died ALSO from this horrible virus .

SeaBreezes · 29-08-2020 03:17AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

You were right .
Cardiologist in the Mater has said the same thing this week about young previously healthy adults presenting with cardiac inflammation

Also in children , its not Kawasaki dusease but very similar , called Paediatric Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome , with cardiac, renal and neurological inflammation and damage .
Studies of children in paediatric hospitals in UK, Canada and Ireland have shown it to be an issue although not common, in children following asymptomatic or mild Covid infection .
So not trying to panic people but this is for real and while we don't know yet how common , there are cases occurring of these complications.

Still waiting for the link too!

Micky 32 · 29-08-2020 03:35AM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Still waiting for the link too!

I bet you are, you all excited?

GooglePlus · 29-08-2020 05:52AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Speaking of vitamins. I've been taking all sorts of vitamins and supplements because of all this. Vitamin D, magnesium because it helps with absorption, zinc, vitamin C.

But there's one supplement that might help, melatonin. But when I went looking for it, they don't have this available over the counter in Ireland. It's actually available on prescription. Does anyone know why a supplement is prescription only?

Melatonin is harmless, I take it whenever my sleep is out of sync. You can buy it online and it makes its way through customs no problem.

As for side effects, I haven't had any.

What good is it against Covid though, other than improving sleep?

You don't want to build a tolerance to this stuff or you'll find it difficult falling to sleep without it.

manofwisdom · 29-08-2020 07:06AM

Last 3 Saturdays had 156,174 and 200 in case numbers at least 100 cases again today expected? Be good to have a full week without a reported death that hasn't happened since the first reported death on March 11th.

prunudo · 29-08-2020 07:38AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Did you know anyone who tests negative covid has a risk of death, it's 100% could take 100 years though?
Humans are not immortal, we all die. Comparing contracting a viral infection like the common cold to covid is just ****ing wrong.
Do you subscribe to trampolines being a risk of death?

Like everything, the more you push the boundaries the riskier it gets. A simple bounce and you should be fine, start practicing back flips and the risks increase, remove the safety netting and risks increase again. There is risk in everything we do.
Donnelly is an intelligent person but his preformance as minister so far has been shocking, constantly appearing to be further out of his depth. In doing so he has become the fall guy to poke fun at.
But in saying that I think his point about trampolines was correct but just badly delivered, everything has risk but if we take the precautions then we reduce the chances of being injured or in this case catching covid. Like a lot of things coming from government lately the messaging has been all over the place and full of contradictions.

Pitch n Putt · 29-08-2020 08:36AM

manofwisdom wrote: »

Last 3 Saturdays had 156,174 and 200 in case numbers at least 100 cases again today expected? Be good to have a full week without a reported death that hasn't happened since the first reported death on March 11th.

They will have to find a few deaths somewhere or people will get complacent.

Probably find one today and a couple next week.

All backdated to May and June no doubt. :rolleyes:

Away With The Fairies · 29-08-2020 08:39AM

s1ippy wrote: »

Covid-19: Teenager still dealing with effects after three hospitalisations (via @IrishTimes) https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-teenager-still-dealing-with-effects-after-three-hospitalisations-1.4341330

Bit of light bedtime reading

This is awful. I know someone else who's not recovered since March as well.

This is the reason why I walked out of a job during the week, with no PPE provided. I don't want to be in a room with 50 more people breathing covid particles out into the atmosphere for a 9 hour shift. Even with my mask, I wouldn't stand a chance.

I hear about reducing viral loads, and you might not get it so bad. If it means walking out of a job, so be it. I told my employer my health was worth more.

Away With The Fairies · 29-08-2020 08:45AM

GooglePlus wrote: »

Melatonin is harmless, I take it whenever my sleep is out of sync. You can buy it online and it makes its way through customs no problem.

As for side effects, I haven't had any.

What good is it against Covid though, other than improving sleep?

You don't want to build a tolerance to this stuff or you'll find it difficult falling to sleep without it.

This is an interesting read about melatonin
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/08830185.2020.1756284

Yep, I know I can buy it online and got some online to add to the rest of my vitamins. But didn't know if I could mention getting it online because it seems to be prescription here. It sounds like illegal advice to be giving.

ExMachina1000 · 29-08-2020 09:17AM

Globally cases have passed peak if using the 7 day moving average.

The daily new cases chart is showing a dip for the first time seen the pandemic began.

India being the exception

Funsterdelux · 29-08-2020 09:27AM

manofwisdom wrote: »

Last 3 Saturdays had 156,174 and 200 in case numbers at least 100 cases again today expected? Be good to have a full week without a reported death that hasn't happened since the first reported death on March 11th.

Going by the last few days every second day the cases were above 100.

So using my very scientific method numbers will be below 100 today.

MD1990 · 29-08-2020 09:35AM

s1ippy wrote: »

Covid-19: Teenager still dealing with effects after three hospitalisations (via @IrishTimes) https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-teenager-still-dealing-with-effects-after-three-hospitalisations-1.4341330

Bit of light bedtime reading

Any young person who thinks there are no consequences from this virus needs to think again,” he warns.

“It maybe won’t kill you, it may not even put you in hospital, but there is a chance this virus can have a severe and lasting impact especially on our young people.

“The last thing you want to do is contract this virus and end up having your fitness impacted to such an extend that you lose months.

wake up call for people who want Ireland to do the same as Trump & just let everything open & go back to normal.

Maybe some people think they know more than the experts though.:rolleyes:

ExMachina1000 · 29-08-2020 09:37AM

MD1990 wrote: »

same as Trump & just let everything open & go back to normal.

Didn't happen. Wasn't proposed . Rolls eyes

GooglePlus · 29-08-2020 09:51AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

This is an interesting read about melatonin
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/08830185.2020.1756284

Yep, I know I can buy it online and got some online to add to the rest of my vitamins. But didn't know if I could mention getting it online because it seems to be prescription here. It sounds like illegal advice to be giving.

Well if it clears up any illegalities, I DEFINITELY got a prescription for this and DID NOT order it online as previously said.

Not sure why a prescription is needed, it's an OTC supplement everywhere else and our brain makes it naturally.

Interesting article. I've heard stories about people taking it for long periods and becoming dependant on it for sleep, so I only ever take it for a few days at a time to get sleep patterns back so I'd err on the side of caution with the stuff. Good sleep will do much more for your immune system and you don't want to mess with that.

I see you're taking zinc and magnesium also, they go well with Melatonin and are a precursor to your bodies natural formation of the stuff, so I take Z+M with my Melatonin on an empty stomach before bed.

robbiezero · 29-08-2020 09:55AM

MD1990 wrote: »

wake up call for people who want Ireland to do the same as Trump & just let everything open & go back to normal.

Maybe some people think they know more than the experts though.:rolleyes:

Nah. Articles about individuals just lead me to believe its not very prevalent at all. Just an editor looking for some clickbait and if you can lash up a "worry worry" article about Covid, you will get your clicks.
Rarely if ever see an article about someone who has completely recovered or who suffered no symptoms at all.

I'm sure there are plenty of viruses which are harmless to most people but have serious after-effects for a handful.

Onesea · 29-08-2020 10:05AM

You can get zma in any supp shop. Zinc, magnesium and b6.One other benefit is enhanced dreams.

Drumpot · 29-08-2020 10:05AM

GooglePlus wrote: »

Well if it clears up any illegalities, I DEFINITELY got a prescription for this and DID NOT order it online as previously said.

Not sure why a prescription is needed, it's an OTC supplement everywhere else and our brain makes it naturally.

Interesting article. I've heard stories about people taking it for long periods and becoming dependant on it for sleep, so I only ever take it for a few days at a time to get sleep patterns back so I'd err on the side of caution with the stuff. Good sleep will do much more for your immune system and you don't want to mess with that.

I see you're taking zinc and magnesium also, they go well with Melatonin and are a precursor to your bodies natural formation of the stuff, so I take Z+M with my Melatonin on an empty stomach before bed.

I take magnesium at night but not my zinc. Is it better to take the zinc at night or is that just your habit?

Drumpot · 29-08-2020 10:26AM

Just trying to imagine how things may play out over the coming months. In my mind I’m hoping that come April we will of seen the worst of what the virus can throw at us (long term affects aside).

I’m hoping that by then, regardless of Vaccine, we have a better idea of how to manage the virus. Hopefully it hasn’t needed to put manners on us as that seems to be required at time’s for us to understand that we really are not in control of this.

With schools re-opening while numbers are already increasing and a less then clear message on many things regarding then, I’m concerned that there is a significant chance we see huge spikes in cases. Could be a couple of weeks of messing while the authorities figure out how to handle things. Kind of similar to allowing sporting events and mass travel when it was obvious these were creating mass spreading events and major drivers of the speed of the virus.

The question for me is how severe the cases may be and how we can manage them. We have much better methods to treat the virus. Hopefully adherence to safe measures (mask wearing etc) compounds to more people getting less severe cases (low viral load when infected).

Off the top of my head two major concerns again. Fear/panic (if numbers spike badly) and of course our health system being stretched worse then April. A significant number of people I would talk to or read here appear to of taken the view that “we have got this” , as if it’s all under control and we will do the right things to make sure it doesn’t get bad again. This presumes a lot and ignores our conflicting or opposing priorities.

Schools re-opening are an inherently human concept that has no special immunity from the virus. Children do not spread the virus less, this is not scientificly accurate, possibly the opposite for under 5s! The way we have been groomed with misinformation to send our children back to school is deplorable. It’s no conspiracy either, it’s just our authorities lack the resources and competency to do it in a managed way that’s best practice.

This has been the most obvious confliction when dealing with the virus. Business interests and getting the economy going are another. While there has to be practical responses to account for these priorities, that doesn’t change anything regarding the virus. Needing economy or schools open changes nothing in terms of how the virus transmits or infects people. There seems to be a real disconnect from this principle.

I don’t know more then anybody how this is going to play out over the coming months. But at a push I’d say we will at least see rolling lock downs, possibly full schools closures for weeks/months and huge spike in numbers (not clear how bad cases will be).

I think there maybe a shift from all resources focusing on vaccine to testing kits. I’ve seen medical sources talk of $1 home testing kits that everybody could have/use. With the potential for re-infection (still prob low risk at this stage) but more importantly huge amount of asymptomatic cases, if the majority of the population could test themselves as often as they wanted it would blitz the virus regardless of vaccine. Even if the tests were only 80-90% accurate by virtue of the amount of tests each person could do it would still make a massive compounded difference.

The vaccine would be great but it’s kind of like our schools “all or nothing” approach. We are still fighting against the virus (“things must go back to normal”) instead of working with what we have and adapting to where we are in the pandemic.

GooglePlus · 29-08-2020 10:32AM

Drumpot wrote: »

I take magnesium at night but not my zinc. Is it better to take the zinc at night or is that just your habit?

Mine are combined in the one capsule and the dosage advice is two caps 30 mins before bed on an empty stomach.

They're supposed to be great for sleep so maybe that's the reasoning or it could be better before our fast but I'm not too sure. It's really helped my sleep though, I'm waking up fresh instead of groggy.

penelope2012 · 29-08-2020 11:02AM

Most of the medical journals I read just said vitamin D. I know it is prescribed in some HSE nursing homes to all residents. Thing is I am not sure if the strength available in most pharmacies is sufficient.

GooglePlus wrote: »

Well if it clears up any illegalities, I DEFINITELY got a prescription for this and DID NOT order it online as previously said.

Not sure why a prescription is needed, it's an OTC supplement everywhere else and our brain makes it naturally.

Interesting article. I've heard stories about people taking it for long periods and becoming dependant on it for sleep, so I only ever take it for a few days at a time to get sleep patterns back so I'd err on the side of caution with the stuff. Good sleep will do much more for your immune system and you don't want to mess with that.

I see you're taking zinc and magnesium also, they go well with Melatonin and are a precursor to your bodies natural formation of the stuff, so I take Z+M with my Melatonin on an empty stomach before bed.

ExMachina1000 · 29-08-2020 11:05AM

Lash in the pumpkin seeds. A food that is richest in magnesium.

https://www.ecowatch.com/11-reasons-why-you-should-eat-pumpkin-seeds-1891177236.html

Natural is always better than laboratory produced

MerlinSouthDub · 29-08-2020 11:05AM

Drumpot wrote: »

I think there maybe a shift from all resources focusing on vaccine to testing kits. I’ve seen medical sources talk of $1 home testing kits that everybody could have/use. With the potential for re-infection (still prob low risk at this stage) but more importantly huge amount of asymptomatic cases, if the majority of the population could test themselves as often as they wanted it would blitz the virus regardless of vaccine. Even if the tests were only 80-90% accurate by virtue of the amount of tests each person could do it would still make a massive compounded difference.

A test with 80% accuracy would be worse than useless. It would lead to hundred of thousands of people thinking they have Covid, when they don't.

GooglePlus · 29-08-2020 11:15AM

penelope2012 wrote: »

Most of the medical journals I read just said vitamin D. I know it is prescribed in some HSE nursing homes to all residents. Thing is I am not sure if the strength available in most pharmacies is sufficient.

Boots have 2000iu strength per capsule and it's fairly cheap. I take two but I've no idea what my levels are like so that could be too little at 4000iu, if I have a deficiency.

You might have already come across Dr. Rhonda Patrick, she's a biochemist and big into biohacking. She can't stop talking about the benefits of Vitamin D and has been pushing it well before Covid. It plays a very important role in our body's defence mechanisms for cancer and a range of other issues.

She supplements with 5000iu but does it based on her readings, so I really need to get my levels checked. I'm quite pale so have the benefit of taking much more in from limited sun than most. Most of us so north of the equator have an ability to absorb more so it's really important for darker skin folks to supplement, especially if their lineage lies in regions with more sun.

Bubbaclaus · 29-08-2020 11:16AM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

A test with 80% accuracy would be worse than useless. It would lead to hundred of thousands of people thinking they have Covid, when they don't.

Surely the other way around is the concern, having people think they dont have covid when they do.

gral6 · 29-08-2020 11:16AM

s1ippy wrote: »

Covid-19: Teenager still dealing with effects after three hospitalisations (via @IrishTimes) https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-teenager-still-dealing-with-effects-after-three-hospitalisations-1.4341330

Bit of light bedtime reading

One out of many thousands? Sure, it is a very warning sign !

s1ippy · 29-08-2020 11:23AM

gral6 wrote: »

One out of many thousands? Sure, it is a very warning sign !

Yeah that's one way of looking at it if you fancy your odds.

Drumpot · 29-08-2020 11:29AM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

A test with 80% accuracy would be worse than useless. It would lead to hundred of thousands of people thinking they have Covid, when they don't.

If a person has access to tests for $1 they can test themselves multiple times to be sure.

If I’m asymptomatic, I don’t know any better and take no extra precautions. If I test myself daily, I will not get a test that is wrong every time (in theory it’s correct at least 4 out of 5 times) and thus will have an accurate diagnosis by virtue of amount of tests.

If I test myself today and it’s negative when I am infected, if I test tomorrow the likelihood of a false reading again is remote.

If I test positive, I can test myself multiple times to make sure it’s accurate. Or I can request a normal , more accurate test to confirm the result.

There is more upside to this then there is downside. It’s just one tool to help reduce the impact of the virus. It’s similar to how cloth and home made masks don’t offer much protection but they do reduce the potential for spread.

Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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