Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

Non solum non ambulabit · 28-08-2020 04:57PM

Derek Zoolander wrote: »

Any chance of a link to large scale data that illustrates 50% of people getting it have heart damage...

Not even large scale - something with n>100 would suffice

The only thing I heard about was some reports of myocarditis, but it was nowhere near 50% of cases. It normally clears up in a few months.

Derek Zoolander · 28-08-2020 04:59PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

The only thing I heard about was some reports of myocarditis, but it was nowhere near 50% of cases. It normally clears up in a few months.

Agreed - hence the request for any sort of data points with a representative data sample

Non solum non ambulabit · 28-08-2020 05:00PM

Derek Zoolander wrote: »

Agreed - hence the request for any sort of data points with a representative data sample

Yes, I would like to see that too

28-08-2020 05:06PM

grumpymunster wrote: »

You really are narrow minded go back and read the post and try and understand the biggish words. You claimed in error sporting events do not contribute much from an economic standpoint - that is wrong they do. That is not to advocate them taking place currently but a recognition of a serious loss of local revenue. That is undeniable.
Are old people talking of it yes they are there is life outside the cities and lamenting the cancellation of an event you enjoy adds further to mental problems - you do realise there are serious mental health issues in the wake of Covid and people think back with sadness to the good old times even if they were only last year.
To make a ludicrous statement that I am right wing as I support Chelsea shows your ignorance. Living in West London as a 7 year old boy one is more likely to have Peter Osgood as a hero rather than Edward Heath.
To deny science and risk assessment have a huge role to play in understanding and combating this pandemic is quite frankly childish and incorrect. Have you ever been involved in an assessment or a HAZOP you should they are enlightening.

I'm not replying anymore.

Your posts are a becoming personal and a little boring tbh.

seamus · 28-08-2020 05:06PM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

But its NOT a remote possibility. Its a 50/50 chance of heart damage even if you are asymptomatic.

Define "heart damage" and then show me evidence that 50% of all people who contract coronavirus develop permanent heart damage.

I was talking to a guy on Twitter the other night about schools opening and he was asking how we're going to justify all the brain damage, heart failures and little baby coffins caused by sending kids back to school?

I appreciate that some people have been hit quite close to home on this virus, but some people also need to chill.

It's really easy to get sucked into the news cycle on it and all the sensational reports of after-effects and symptoms, and forget stand back and look at the big picture.

Remember back in April/May when the latest scary thing about coronavirus was this mysterious inflammation disease it was causing in children? Parents everywhere freaking out.

Yeah, that went away pretty quick, didn't it?

Big picture, very important.

Eod100 · 28-08-2020 05:06PM

Any idea if there's due to be a post Cabinet briefing this evening and if there is what time it might be?

yerwanthere123 · 28-08-2020 05:12PM

yerwanthere123 wrote: »

What's the current wait time for testing does anyone have any idea? And how long is the current wait for results?

Don't really have any symptoms as such but am feeling very tired the last 3/4 days, like unusually tired. Due to start a job working in a classroom with 31 pupils next week so might be something to consider :eek:

Not feeling much better today so rang my doctor, she had a very flippant attitude towards me

Explained that I'm feeling very fatigued for the last 4 or 5 days and my throat is a bit tingly, but she instantly dismissed the possibility of coronavirus. I said I'm a bit anxious because I'd be working in a primary classroom from next weeks onwards, but she told me to "forgot about it" and just "follow the guidelines". Like I'll admit I know it's unlikely I have it, but I'd have thought maybe she'd be more open to referring me given where I'll be next week.

Gruffalux · 28-08-2020 05:16PM

yerwanthere123 wrote: »

Not feeling much better today so rang my doctor, she had a very flippant attitude towards me Explained that I'm feeling very fatigued for the last 4 or 5 days and my throat is a bit tingly, but she instantly dismissed the possibility of coronavirus. I said I'm a bit anxious because I'd be working in a primary classroom from next weeks onwards, but she told me to "forgot about it" and just "follow the guidelines". Like I'll admit I know it's unlikely I have it, but I'd have thought maybe she'd be more open to referring me given where I'll be next week.

Ring someone else. Doctors can be arseholes as much as anyone else. Doctors are the same as anyone else - don't put them on a pedestal. You would get a different opinion if your mechanic was unsatisfactory.

GooglePlus · 28-08-2020 05:16PM

seamus wrote: »

Define "heart damage" and then show me evidence that 50% of all people who contract coronavirus develop permanent heart damage.

I was talking to a guy on Twitter the other night about schools opening and he was asking how we're going to justify all the brain damage, heart failures and little baby coffins caused by sending kids back to school?

I appreciate that some people have been hit quite close to home on this virus, but some people also need to chill.

It's really easy to get sucked into the news cycle on it and all the sensational reports of after-effects and symptoms, and forget stand back and look at the big picture.

Remember back in April/May when the latest scary thing about coronavirus was this mysterious inflammation disease it was causing in children? Parents everywhere freaking out.

Yeah, that went away pretty quick, didn't it?

Big picture, very important.

There's a lot of unreviewed research coming out about the virus.

It's important not to take any of it as gospel, good and bad news included.

s1ippy · 28-08-2020 05:17PM

grumpymunster wrote: »

Ha ha so advocating relying on hard data and facts is Trump school of thinking.

Definitely, just look at this:

They're beaming the number of deaths onto the front of his hotel.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1299337031802392576?s=20

billybonkers · 28-08-2020 05:17PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Any idea if there's due to be a post Cabinet briefing this evening and if there is what time it might be?

Not this evening

28-08-2020 05:24PM

Covid has been worth it

https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2020/0828/1161875-winning-streak-postponed-due-to-covid-19-emergency/

growleaves · 28-08-2020 05:24PM

Myocardial disease as an after-effect of respiratory illnesses was first proven in the 1930s.

There's no evidence that covid is any worse than any other respiratory illness in this regard.

All there is is the word "novel", which allows people to claim that hypothetical worst-case scenarios can't be ruled out and then to imply that because something can't be absolutely ruled out it's as likely to happen as not.

28-08-2020 05:30PM

We've had about 25M cases of Covid worldwide, sad to think that half of the survivors obviously now have heart disease.
The other half probably lost limbs or have brain/lung damage.......

Non solum non ambulabit · 28-08-2020 05:31PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We've had about 25M cases of Covid worldwide, sad to think that half of the survivors obviously now have heart disease.
The other half probably lost limbs or have brain/lung damage.......

Plus all the untested people. Must be hitting 250m people with these problems.

mirrorwall14 · 28-08-2020 05:31PM

Did we get numbers from our boardsie source or positive test count today?

Non solum non ambulabit · 28-08-2020 05:32PM

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

Did we get numbers from our boardsie source or positive test count today?

128 cases if I remember correctly

Gruffalux · 28-08-2020 05:32PM

growleaves wrote: »

Myocardial disease as an after-effect of respiratory illnesses was first proven in the 1930s.

There's no evidence that covid is any worse than any other respiratory illness in this regard.

All there is is the word "novel", which allows people to claim that hypothetical worst-case scenarios can't be ruled out and then to imply that because something can't be absolutely ruled out it's as likely to happen as not.

I for one am mighty happy to hear this. The possibility of say even 5% of those infected experiencing long term life limiting effects makes Covid an extra nasty bug.
Where will your empirical research of Covid morbidity in a longitudinal study be published Doctor Growleaves and when can we access it?

shinzon · 28-08-2020 05:32PM

https://www.wlrfm.com/2020/08/28/141332/?fbclid=IwAR0GqthnXem_ElXGJEgQDlP3INAC8QFTxP4VH-0CR-CthkYTgRc5sPD0v1s

And we were doing so well

:(:(

new release from the Central Statistics Office shows Waterford experienced the largest increase in coronavirus cases since April last week.

The CSO Covid-19 Insight bulletin, which was published today, shows the largest weekly increase in cases in Waterford since the 24th of April.

Nine people in Waterford were diagnosed with the virus in the week ending the 21st of August.

It’s the 17th week in a row where there were fewer than 10 cases recorded in the City and County.

The median age of cases is 46.

Shin

SeaBreezes · 28-08-2020 05:34PM

Derek Zoolander wrote: »

Any chance of a link to large scale data that illustrates 50% of people getting it have heart damage...

Not even large scale - something with n>100 would suffice

https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/27/covid19-concerns-about-lasting-heart-damage/

One study examined the cardiac MRIs of 100 people who had recovered from Covid-19 and compared them to heart images from 100 people who were similar but not infected with the virus. Their average age was 49 and two-thirds of the patients had recovered at home. More than two months later, infected patients were more likely to have troubling cardiac signs than people in the control group: 78 patients showed structural changes to their hearts, 76 had evidence of a biomarker signaling cardiac injury typically found after a heart attack, and 60 had signs of inflammation.

These were relatively young, healthy patients who fell ill in the spring, Valentina Puntmann, who led the MRI study, pointed out in an interview. Many of them had just returned from ski vacations. None of them thought they had anything wrong with their hearts.

SeaBreezes · 28-08-2020 05:38PM

seamus wrote: »

Define "heart damage" and then show me evidence that 50% of all people who contract coronavirus develop permanent heart damage.

I was talking to a guy on Twitter the other night about schools opening and he was asking how we're going to justify all the brain damage, heart failures and little baby coffins caused by sending kids back to school?

I appreciate that some people have been hit quite close to home on this virus, but some people also need to chill.

It's really easy to get sucked into the news cycle on it and all the sensational reports of after-effects and symptoms, and forget stand back and look at the big picture.

Remember back in April/May when the latest scary thing about coronavirus was this mysterious inflammation disease it was causing in children? Parents everywhere freaking out.

Yeah, that went away pretty quick, didn't it?

Big picture, very important.

One study examined the cardiac MRIs of 100 people who had recovered from Covid-19 and compared them to heart images from 100 people who were similar but not infected with the virus. Their average age was 49 and two-thirds of the patients had recovered at home. More than two months later, infected patients were more likely to have troubling cardiac signs than people in the control group: 78 patients showed structural changes to their hearts, 76 had evidence of a biomarker signaling cardiac injury typically found after a heart attack, and 60 had signs of inflammation.

These were relatively young, healthy patients who fell ill in the spring, Valentina Puntmann, who led the MRI study, pointed out in an interview. Many of them had just returned from ski vacations. None of them thought they had anything wrong with their hearts.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/27/covid19-concerns-about-lasting-heart-damage/

Edit: And the child thing is called Kawaski symdrome,it didnt go away, it stopped increasing cause they were out of school and we locked down. Those kids are still sick.

growleaves · 28-08-2020 05:41PM

Gruffalox wrote: »

I for one am mighty happy to hear this. The possibility of say even 5% of those infected experiencing long term life limiting effects makes Covid an extra nasty bug.
Where will your empirical research of Covid morbidity in a longitudinal study be published Doctor Growleaves and when can we access it?

There's a possibility of 100% of asymptomatic carriers dropping dead very soon.

Absent evidence there's no beginning or end to bad dreams.

SeaBreezes · 28-08-2020 05:50PM

growleaves wrote: »

There's a possibility of 100% of asymptomatic carriers dropping dead very soon.

Absent evidence there's no beginning or end to bad dreams.

Ignoring evidence is worse..

Gruffalux · 28-08-2020 05:53PM

growleaves wrote: »

Absent evidence there's no beginning or end to bad dreams.

I will give you extra marks for being poetic

Ineedaname · 28-08-2020 05:54PM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

One study examined the cardiac MRIs of 100 people who had recovered from Covid-19 and compared them to heart images from 100 people who were similar but not infected with the virus. Their average age was 49 and two-thirds of the patients had recovered at home. More than two months later, infected patients were more likely to have troubling cardiac signs than people in the control group: 78 patients showed structural changes to their hearts, 76 had evidence of a biomarker signaling cardiac injury typically found after a heart attack, and 60 had signs of inflammation.

These were relatively young, healthy patients who fell ill in the spring, Valentina Puntmann, who led the MRI study, pointed out in an interview. Many of them had just returned from ski vacations. None of them thought they had anything wrong with their hearts.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/27/covid19-concerns-about-lasting-heart-damage/

Edit: And the child thing is called Kawaski symdrome,it didnt go away, it stopped increasing cause they were out of school and we locked down. Those kids are still sick.

You probably should have looked into that study more. It was found shortly after it was released that it had errors in the data.

The revised version showed that the infected and control groups had similar levels of cardiovascular abnormalities

mcburns07 · 28-08-2020 05:57PM

It’s amazing reading this thread hearing posters deep concern about the potential long term side effects. Presumably these people abstain from alcohol, smoking, and have impeccable sleep and dietary habits....

SeaBreezes · 28-08-2020 05:58PM

Ineedaname wrote: »

You probably should have looked into that study more. It was found shortly after it was released that it had errors in the data.

The revised version showed that the infected and control groups had similar levels of cardiovascular abnormalities

Well thats a relief, have you a link to the revised version?

s1ippy · 28-08-2020 05:59PM

mcburns07 wrote: »

It’s amazing reading this thread hearing posters de concern about the potential long term side effects. Presumably these people abstain from alcohol, smoking, and have impeccable sleep and dietary habits....

There's a difference between getting lung cancer in your late fifties because of something you did yourself and knew was a risk and getting thrombosis in your thirties because you were not adequately informed of the risks associated with an airborne virus and were made to take risks by employers/misinformed by your country's health officials.

Atlantic Dawn · 28-08-2020 06:02PM

127 announced by Zara King, no deaths.

yerwanthere123 · 28-08-2020 06:02PM

mcburns07 wrote: »

It’s amazing reading this thread hearing posters deep concern about the potential long term side effects. Presumably these people abstain from alcohol, smoking, and have impeccable sleep and dietary habits....

I know you're only looking for a reaction here, but a lot still think like this.

How are we this far into a global pandemic and people still coming out with this nonsense?

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