Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

end of the road · 27-08-2020 10:11PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

If they are unable to take that way then they should be given every support available, above and beyond a restart grant, as they are being selectively targeted.

If they are unwilling, maybe there's a reason, they should be helped anyway, perhaps free haacp training, or a grant for equipping a kitchen.

Either way, acting like peppermint patty and constantly pulling the ball away is neither fair nor a sign of good leadership.

they are not being selectively targeted, they are being kept shut as there is some evidence to show they may be highe risk compared to other businesses during this pandemic.
as i said, we cannot afford more supports then the basics we are giving them as there are bigger more important things to fund which will have a higher payback.
it's unfortunate but we have limited resources and choices have to be made.

Justin Credible Darts · 27-08-2020 10:12PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

So a pub should keep 15-20 menus in case I fancy pad Thai? Actually there's a question, if I deliveroo boojum does that count, or do the pub have to do it??

If you are at reduced capacity your spend per person has to be higher, removing the need for food does 2 things

1:your 4 pint and home regulars will actually come back, they won't eat in a pub unless it's bacon fries, but they're your main source of income monday-thursday

2: if you remove the need for food, that money might end up in your till, instead of the chippers.

I understand why the restrictions were brought in, but If you're pub can open safely, it should be allowed, but that would involve leadership and enforcement, and we're not great at that.

Ah...so its about money then.

Here is a tip, go to the offy, and its even cheaper.

Geuze · 27-08-2020 10:13PM

vafankillar wrote: »

do pubs actually need a restaurant licence or can they just open? why aren't more places just doing pizza or whatever?

The poster L1011, who seems to know a lot, states that a Restaurant Certificate is not required to serve food.

HACCP/visit from EHO might be required....????

stephenjmcd · 27-08-2020 10:13PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Pubs are gone.

Why would anyone want to share their saliva and shouting with them anyway!

And I don't care what anyone thinks, some publicans were and will be tight as ducks asses and would never give you a packet of Taytos or whatever, and I stand by that. They just expect their clients to order Guinness or whatever.

Just desserts to the feckers.

You keep making the same point over and over again. Have you been out for pints tonight ?

Your posts are largely ramblings, you don't like publicans/pubs. Simple solution just don't go if your not getting a free packet of peanuts or tayto. Well if your going to a pub then its expected you order something

Justin Credible Darts · 27-08-2020 10:14PM

CertifiedSimp wrote: »

I'd say a lot of rural pubs are happy enough to be shut. A man and wife running a pub get 700 cash a week now. Wouldn't be hard make that in a rural pub!

there is no place for that type of sense or logic on here,

how dare you make sense and upset the rhythm of the agenda on here

hynesie08 · 27-08-2020 10:17PM

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

Ah...so its about money then.

Here is a tip, go to the offy, and its even cheaper.

Yes, businesses exist to make money, is that some sort of revelation to you, does your job operate a barter system?

I'll stick to food pubs for now, offies are fine but not what I want.

MrStuffins · 27-08-2020 10:18PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

So a pub should keep 15-20 menus in case I fancy pad Thai? Actually there's a question, if I deliveroo boojum does that count, or do the pub have to do it??

You're the one talking about Romayos and snack boxes, not me.

If you are at reduced capacity your spend per person has to be higher, removing the need for food does 2 things

1:your 4 pint and home regulars will actually come back, they won't eat in a pub unless it's bacon fries, but they're your main source of income monday-thursday

So these people desperate for a pint, the lifeblood of your business and the ones keeping you afloat, won't come if they have to have a bite to eat with their pints?

Doesn't sound like they're the ones to be relied upon.

2: if you remove the need for food, that money might end up in your till, instead of the chippers.

Or, if you have an ounce of sense, you make a deal with the food providers like everyone else is doing.

I understand why the restrictions were brought in, but If you're pub can open safely, it should be allowed, but that would involve leadership and enforcement, and we're not great at that.

It is allowed. Pubs are open.

Spanish Eyes · 27-08-2020 10:21PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

You keep making the same point over and over again. Have you been out for pints tonight ?

Your posts are largely ramblings, you don't like publicans/pubs. Simple solution just don't go if your not getting a free packet of peanuts or tayto

I wish I was stephen.

But honestly for years I have always wondered why pubs (non food) did not just make a little gesture of crisps and nuts or whatever for their punters. But no, never, have to buy them.

Michael Mc Dowell was correct about the cafe bars.

Justin Credible Darts · 27-08-2020 10:21PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Yes, businesses exist to make money, is that some sort of revelation to you, does your job operate a barter system?

I'll stick to food pubs for now, offies are fine but not what I want.

seems I am going to have to make this simple so even you might get it.

If you prefer a pub without food as it is cheaper, the an offy is even cheaper.
If its the socializing you want, you can get that in a pub that serves food.

Why do you selfishly need or think you should be visiting a pub to socialize during a global pandemic. ?

what valid reason is there besides your "its our culture" backward mentality. ?

I am curious to fathom this notion that somehow the virus should take a back seat to your notions.

enlighhten me

hynesie08 · 27-08-2020 10:24PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

You're the one talking about Romayos and snack boxes, not me.

So these people desperate for a pint, the lifeblood of your business and the ones keeping you afloat, won't come if they have to have a bite to eat with their pints?

Doesn't sound like they're the ones to be relied upon.

And yet pubs have relied on regulars and their custom for 100s of years.

Or, if you have an ounce of sense, you make a deal with the food providers like everyone else is doing.

Except everyone else isn't doing it now are they?

It is allowed. Pubs are open.

So I can head to a late bar for a pint right now can I?

MrStuffins · 27-08-2020 10:24PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Yes, businesses exist to make money, is that some sort of revelation to you, does your job operate a barter system?

I'll stick to food pubs for now, offies are fine but not what I want.

This is the issue though isn't it? It's about what a minority of people "want".

Notice that the people on this thread shouting for everything to be open are the same people spouting conspiracy theories, protesting against masks and salivating over Gemma O'Doherty's Twitter (RIP).

The people who will jeopardise the health and lives of the rest of us if it means that they can shoehorn their paranoid agenda onto the rest of us.

They don't even want to go to the pub. If they did, they'd go! The pubs are open. Go have a pint and think about what hobbies you could pick up they don't involve burning down 5G masts and calling people "sheep"

MrStuffins · 27-08-2020 10:26PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

And yet pubs have relied on regulars and their custom for 100s of years.

And those regulars still can. The pubs just have to open and let them.

Except everyone else isn't doing it now are they?

They're not, and can still make it work? Great news.

So I can head to a late bar for a pint right now can I?

They're not closed yet

Justin Credible Darts · 27-08-2020 10:27PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

This is the issue though isn't it? It's about what a minority of people "want".

Notice that the people on this thread shouting for everything to be open are the same people spouting conspiracy theories, protesting against masks and salivating over Gemma O'Doherty's Twitter (RIP).

The people who will jeopardise the health and lives of the rest of us if it means that they can shoehorn their paranoid agenda onto the rest of us.

They don't even want to go to the pub. If they did, they'd go! The pubs are open. Go have a pint and think about what hobbies you could pick up they don't involve burning down 5G masts and calling people "sheep"

correct.

This sense of entitlement, that the virus does not matter,consumes them.

Their selfish need to be in a pub trumps everything else.

Anyone that dares to abide by the laws, cares for their health or the health of others have been called on here everything from "boring" to "assholes"

This is the mindset we are dealing with.

stephenjmcd · 27-08-2020 10:28PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

They're not closed yet

Pubs aren't open and you've to be off the premises of restaurants by 11.30.

Poster can't just go for a pint.

Your in a restaurant, you've been talking sh1te all night with absolutely no idea how the trade works.
No idea about costs of running a business verus reduced capacity

hynesie08 · 27-08-2020 10:28PM

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

seems I am going to have to make this simple so even you might get it.

If you prefer a pub without food as it is cheaper, the an offy is even cheaper.
If its the socializing you want, you can get that in a pub that serves food.

Why do you selfishly need or think you should be visiting a pub to socialize during a global pandemic. ?

what valid reason is there besides your "its our culture" backward mentality. ?

I am curious to fathom this notion that somehow the virus should take a back seat to your notions.

enlighhten me

I'll say it really slowly for you, because I've already said it 3 or 4 times

I..... Want.... Pubs.... That..... Can..... Open...... Safely..... To..... Be.... Given..... The...... Chance..... To........ Do....... So........

Would you like it in braille??

weldoninhio · 27-08-2020 10:28PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

Why are there increased staff costs?

Are you suggesting pubs be allowed open without social distancing?

You’re taking the pi55 but I’ll bite. Capacity reduced to 40% so you might have needed 1 bar person for that amount of people. Now you need someone at the door to make sure whoever comes in has a booking and to take phone numbers and names. At least another 1 to take orders from the tables as you cannot use the bar. Another behind the bar pulling pints. So you’ve 40% capacity bringing a bit of money and 2 extra wages to pay. Your ESB and heating isn’t reduced to 40% just because that’s your capacity either. And that’s before you hire a chef or pay a local take away a %.

Spanish Eyes · 27-08-2020 10:29PM

End of day, few really care about pubs anyway.

The biggest issue is the lack of spontaneity now, that's a bit of a killer TBH, and it doesn't just apply to foodless pubs either.

Justin Credible Darts · 27-08-2020 10:30PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

I'll say it really slowly for you, because I've already said it 3 or 4 times

I..... Want.... Pubs.... That..... Can..... Open...... Safely..... To..... Be.... Given..... The...... Chance..... To........ Do....... So........

Would you like it in braille??

The pubs that are able to be open safely are already open serving food.

Off you go to one of them.

hynesie08 · 27-08-2020 10:30PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

This is the issue though isn't it? It's about what a minority of people "want".

Notice that the people on this thread shouting for everything to be open are the same people spouting conspiracy theories, protesting against masks and salivating over Gemma O'Doherty's Twitter (RIP).

The people who will jeopardise the health and lives of the rest of us if it means that they can shoehorn their paranoid agenda onto the rest of us.

They don't even want to go to the pub. If they did, they'd go! The pubs are open. Go have a pint and think about what hobbies you could pick up they don't involve burning down 5G masts and calling people "sheep"

I was actually enjoying our conversation, but unfortunately playing the gemma card gets you put on ignore.

giveitholly · 27-08-2020 10:30PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

End of day, few really care about pubs anyway.

The biggest issue is the lack of spontaneity now, that's a bit of a killer TBH, and it doesn't just apply to foodless pubs either.

Thought the biggest issue was crisps and peanuts?

weldoninhio · 27-08-2020 10:31PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

It is more about the offering than the partaking. I do like to see it though, but I get your point. It can be done per table though. They will always make excuses. Tight arsd fks.

My local always does it. Any match there’s free pizza at half time. During Cheltenham this year they were giving out free spice bags.

hynesie08 · 27-08-2020 10:32PM

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

The pubs that are able to be open safely are already open serving food.

Off you go to one of them.

Can't they're closed now..... So is the offie....

Justin Credible Darts · 27-08-2020 10:36PM

love how those crying and faced with facts, truth, logic etc get upset, cry they are putting people on ignore, cos in their mind that will somehow alter the truth.

Pubs were closing by the hundreds before covid....a fact that seesm to be ignored
This thick mick pisshead culture is dying out....although some think its still sacred
The pub is no longer the centre of most peoples lives.

I can understand a publican getting upset, but your average joe on the street crying over this is pathetic,
If they truly have to drink and socialise during a pandemic, go to a pub that is open and obeying the laws.

Seems some are just crying for the sake of crying

hynesie08 · 27-08-2020 10:36PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

You’re taking the pi55 but I’ll bite. Capacity reduced to 40% so you might have needed 1 bar person for that amount of people. Now you need someone at the door to make sure whoever comes in has a booking and to take phone numbers and names. At least another 1 to take orders from the tables as you cannot use the bar. Another behind the bar pulling pints. So you’ve 40% capacity bringing a bit of money and 2 extra wages to pay. Your ESB and heating isn’t reduced to 40% just because that’s your capacity either. And that’s before you hire a chef or pay a local take away a %.

Plus, if you're busy enough, the takeaway isn't going to tie up their drivers with you all night, so you might need another body to do runner.

Spanish Eyes · 27-08-2020 10:38PM

giveitholly wrote: »

Thought the biggest issue was crisps and peanuts?

Well that would have been the obvious tightness of the pub owners.

But anyway, it is just a rant, Direct your ire elsewhere.

hynesie08 · 27-08-2020 10:38PM

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

love how those crying and faced with facts, truth, logic etc get upset, cry they are putting people on ignore, cos in their mind that will somehow alter the truth.

Pubs were closing by the hundreds before covid....a fact that seesm to be ignored
This thick mick pisshead culture is dying out....although some think its still sacred
The pub is no longer the centre of most peoples lives.

I can understand a publican getting upset, but your average joe on the street crying over this is pathetic,
If they truly have to drink and socialise during a pandemic, go to a pub that is open and obeying the laws.

Seems some are just crying for the sake of crying

An average of 100 pubs a year close in ireland, the vast majority of licences get snapped up by supermarkets for your beloved offies, so these pubs can't be replaced....

Just so your whining is accurate.....

weldoninhio · 27-08-2020 10:39PM

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

love how those crying and faced with facts, truth, logic etc get upset, cry they are putting people on ignore, cos in their mind that will somehow alter the truth.

Pubs were closing by the hundreds before covid....a fact that seesm to be ignored
This thick mick pisshead culture is dying out....although some think its still sacred
The pub is no longer the centre of most peoples lives.

I can understand a publican getting upset, but your average joe on the street crying over this is pathetic,
If they truly have to drink and socialise during a pandemic, go to a pub that is open and obeying the laws.

Seems some are just crying for the sake of crying

There are no pubs open. Have you missed the news??

PTH2009 · 27-08-2020 10:42PM

https://www.facebook.com/518620081515968/posts/3720782384633039/

The website is BS but its gives me a good laugh and we all need that

Justin Credible Darts · 27-08-2020 10:42PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

An average of 100 pubs a year close in ireland, the vast majority of licences get snapped up by supermarkets for your beloved offies, so these pubs can't be replaced....

Just so your whining is accurate.....

my beloved offies ?

I dont drink at home...nice try, but a FAIL nonetheless.

And about time we had someone acknowledge pubs were dying long before this global pandemic.

we are getting there.

Spanish Eyes · 27-08-2020 10:44PM

In fairness, just dropping into a pub on a whim is not happening anymore.

Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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