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  • #9242
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,067 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    GT89 wrote: »
    Why did the UK knock 5k deaths off their official toll then? Could the excess be because of people being too scared to go into hospital that needed hospital treatment. Drug use and suicides all up during lockdown too. Cancer screenings closed during lockdown putting people at risk.

    The excess mortality figures are independent of the official toll. That the official toll is corrected shows they are taken seriously and follow a proper methodology.
    The adjusted UK death toll still shows tens of thousand of deaths.
    But sure, you have shown with your moral bankruptcy you don't care how many people died.

    You'll have to show me some actual figures on the other scenarios for any of this to be believable.
    How many people died from suicide or drugs from March to June 2020?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #9243
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    No: I don't care enough
    odyssey06 wrote: »
    How many people died from suicide or drugs from March to June 2020?

    Crazily for England's official statistics it is zero for suicide because its an average of about a year long process before a death would get recorded as such and that was totally suspend in March. Think Scotland for example might record them sooner, like within weeks, but they then might later get revised back out of the figures at a later date. Different ways to come up with the same answer, just Englands method leaves with no information in the meantime.


  • #9244
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,291 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Yes: valved
    one world order wrote: »
    I haven't worn a mask during this fear induced media craze and I won't be either. I also won't be taking their vaccine when the government forces it on the population. Sweden haven't bothered with this world agenda and we should be moving back to normality rather than forcing people to do things they wouldn't normally do, based on a virus with a death rate of less than 0.1%.

    Glad to see someone has his facts right :D

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  • #9245
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    odyssey06 wrote: »
    The excess mortality figures are independent of the official toll. That the official toll is corrected shows they are taken seriously and follow a proper methodology.
    The adjusted UK death toll still shows tens of thousand of deaths.
    But sure, you have shown with your moral bankruptcy you don't care how many people died.

    You'll have to show me some actual figures on the other scenarios for any of this to be believable.
    How many people died from suicide or drugs from March to June 2020?

    Well then maybe the crisis is over and it's mutated into a weaker strain common trends across Europe shows cases skyrocketing but deaths very low.


  • #9246
    Spiderman0081
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 442 ✭✭Spiderman0081


    Finland has spent a few million euros testing kids in school for coranavirus up to the age of 10. The goal was to see if there is any evidence that kids that have returned to school are spreaders of the virus and if so, are masks necessary for children. 11,000 children were tested after returning to school. 5 children tested positive, 0.045%.


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  • #9247
    Yellow_Fern
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,691 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    Yes: surgical
    Spiderman0081 wrote: »
    Finland has spent a few million euros testing kids in school for coranavirus up to the age of 10. The goal was to see if there is any evidence that kids that have returned to school are spreaders of the virus and if so, are masks necessary for children. 11,000 children were tested after returning to school. 5 children tested positive, 0.045%.

    Great idea. There is way too much negativity about sending kids to school at the moment.


  • #9248
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    Off topic but isn't it so easy to manipulate people with just a few seeds of (mis)information to get the predicted reaction and to solidify that opinion with the power of anger and outrage. Once they are pissed off they will cling to that view for dear life. Fight for it on the streets. Use psuedo experts for credibility points.

    Light the fuse and run, let their limited grasp on reality do the rest.


  • #9249
    Seanergy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy


    Yes: valved
    GT89 wrote: »
    Well then maybe the crisis is over and it's mutated into a weaker strain common trends across Europe shows cases skyrocketing but deaths very low.

    Common trend across Europe is mask wearing. It was said early on that masks will reduce the viral load and therefore reduce mortality was it not?


  • #9250
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    Seanergy wrote: »
    Common trend across Europe is mask wearing. It was said early on that masks will reduce the viral load and therefore reduce mortality was it not?

    Well if mask wearing is effective why are cases up thought the idea of masks was to stop the spread of the virus. Secondly if mask wearing reduces viral loads and protects the induvidual from the virus then it shouldn't be mandatory if I want to not wear one and put myself "at risk" then that should my prerogative.


  • #9251
    Ha Long Bay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,382 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    GT89 wrote: »
    Well if mask wearing is effective why are cases up thought the idea of masks was to stop the spread of the virus.

    Secondly if mask wearing reduces viral loads and protects the individual from the virus then it shouldn't be mandatory if I want to not wear one and put myself "at risk" then that should my prerogative.


    Are either of these questions actually genuine or are you just attempting to get a reaction?

    They have both been answered multiple times already in this and other threads.


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  • #9252
    Hrududu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,712 ✭✭✭Hrududu


    MadYaker wrote: »
    No we weren't. You do this constantly. Just make up random events from the past that never happened to justify some nonsense point. Makes you sound like a nutter. Can you find a single headline from anywhere about people dropping dead in the streets from covid?

    To be fair, and I’m not sure if the poster is thinking about the same thing I am. I don’t remember there being headlines or any legit reports of that happening. But it was one of those things flying around in the early days. People were sharing YouTube videos of people falling down in the street and saying it was people in China who had Covid. In fact if you go back to one of the earlier threads on here you will probably find posts from people who were convinced the videos were real and who were freaking out about it. I remember at the time some people questioning the veracity of the videos. But when this was in the early days there were definitely people online stirring the pot by sharing things like that.

    Edit: Found an article discussing the videos and questioning the authenticity. I feel dirty as it’s the daily mail. But just an example that these things were going around at the time:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7923981/Coronavirus-Disturbing-videos-claim-people-collapsing-Wuhan.html


  • #9253
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Yes: valved
    GT89 wrote: »
    Well if mask wearing is effective why are cases up thought the idea of masks was to stop the spread of the virus. Secondly if mask wearing reduces viral loads and protects the induvidual from the virus then it shouldn't be mandatory if I want to not wear one and put myself "at risk" then that should my prerogative.

    Did you hear about the mask protest last week? All those people that attended, that's the reason cases are going up.


  • #9254
    bush
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭bush


    No: other
    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Did you hear about the mask protest last week? All those people that attended, that's the reason cases are going up.

    No its not


  • #9255
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,907 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    No: I don't care enough
    wadacrack wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/tinssoldier/status/1298101693247193089
    After a woman with the coronavirus visited a Starbucks cafe north of Seoul this month, more than two dozen patrons tested positive days later.
    :eek:

    Can we call her a super-duper spreader?
    What was she doing, going round sneezing on people?


  • #9256
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Did you hear about the mask protest last week? All those people that attended, that's the reason cases are going up.

    Where was the BLM spike in numbers then?


  • #9257
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Yes: valved
    bush wrote: »
    No its not

    Maybe not those people at the protests. It's still early days for symptoms to show up.

    But there's guaranteed more anti maskers around the country.


  • #9258
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Yes: valved
    GT89 wrote: »
    Where was the BLM spike in numbers then?

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/black-lives-matter-protest-takes-place-in-dublin-1.4272820%3fmode=amp

    A video from BLM protests in Dublin. What do you see on their faces?


  • #9259
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/black-lives-matter-protest-takes-place-in-dublin-1.4272820%3fmode=amp

    A video from BLM protests in Dublin. What do you see on their faces?

    They weren't all wearing masks. Plenty were not


  • #9260
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/black-lives-matter-protest-takes-place-in-dublin-1.4272820%3fmode=amp

    A video from BLM protests in Dublin. What do you see on their faces?

    Good to see so many wearing masks even back almost 2 months.


  • #9261
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    Zoom in can clearly see some not wearing muzzles
    https://twitter.com/deric_tv/status/1267536903823396864?s=19


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  • #9262
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Yes: valved
    GT89 wrote: »
    Zoom in can clearly see some not wearing muzzles
    https://twitter.com/deric_tv/status/1267536903823396864?s=19

    The majority of them were. The two protests cannot be compared. The majority of people at the BLM protests were wearing masks... And people at the anti-mask protest weren't.


  • #9263
    Ha Long Bay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,382 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    GT89 wrote: »
    Zoom in can clearly see some not wearing muzzles
    https://twitter.com/deric_tv/status/1267536903823396864?s=19

    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    The majority of them were. The two protests cannot be compared. The majority of people at the BLM protests were wearing masks... And people at the anti-mask protest weren't.



    Don't waste your time replying or taking them serious hopefully the bridge will collapse soon.


  • #9264
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    The majority of them were. The two protests cannot be compared. The majority of people at the BLM protests were wearing masks... And people at the anti-mask protest weren't.

    But all it takes is a few people not wearing them to spread it by your logic. It wasn't only BLM no masks at any of Gemma and John Waters' protests either and no spike in numbers. It's not the majority it's literally about 50/50 in that photo.


  • #9265
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    GT89 wrote: »
    all it takes is a few people not wearing them to spread it

    all the more reason for everyone to wear them.


  • #9266
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    Graham wrote: »
    all the more reason for everyone to wear them.

    I was responding to a poster who was accusing the spike in cv19 figures on a protest that took place on Custom House Quay in Dublin where the vast majority of protestors did not wear muzzles. I refuted this by saying there was no spike after BLM protests in Dublin despite only some protestor wearing muzzles


  • #9267
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Yes: surgical
    Spiderman0081 wrote: »
    Finland has spent a few million euros testing kids in school for coranavirus up to the age of 10. The goal was to see if there is any evidence that kids that have returned to school are spreaders of the virus and if so, are masks necessary for children. 11,000 children were tested after returning to school. 5 children tested positive, 0.045%.

    I would presume that the design of any such study would have been carried out on a phased basis and not presumably on the immediate return of children to school.

    Otherwise the results are meaningless tbh.


  • #9268
    washman3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭washman3


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    The majority of them were. The two protests cannot be compared. The majority of people at the BLM protests were wearing masks... And people at the anti-mask protest weren't.


    A person attending an anti-mask protest wouldn't generally wear a mask...;)

    From what i can see from the BLM protest a large amount of them wore masks to hide their identity rather than worrying about a virus.
    As for some of those that were wearing them, take a good look at the state of them..!! The mask was actually doing them a big favour....


  • #9269
    Tokyo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,655 ✭✭✭✭Tokyo


    GT89 wrote: »
    I was responding to a poster who was accusing the spike in cv19 figures on a protest that took place on Custom House Quay in Dublin where the vast majority of protestors did not wear muzzles. I refuted this by saying there was no spike after BLM protests in Dublin despite only some protestor wearing muzzles
    GT89 wrote: »
    Zoom in can clearly see some not wearing muzzles

    Mod: the 'muzzles' rhetoric has been called out again and again at this stage, and you refuse to listen. Don't post in the thread again please.


  • #9270
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,897 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Yes: surgical
    GT89 wrote: »
    I was responding to a poster who was accusing the spike in cv19 figures on a protest that took place on Custom House Quay in Dublin where the vast majority of protestors did not wear muzzles. I refuted this by saying there was no spike after BLM protests in Dublin despite only some protestor wearing muzzles

    Muzzles are for preventing sheep dogs from biting sheep, pretty different from masks I think, I'm sure some poster was warned in the past, maybe you about mentioning muzzles.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



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  • #9271
    Spiderman0081
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 442 ✭✭Spiderman0081


    gozunda wrote: »
    I would presume that the design of any such study would have been carried out on a phased basis and not presumably on the immediate return of children to school.

    Otherwise the results are meaningless tbh.
    You would presume correctly


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