Is it just me or have SF vanished?

maccored · 26-08-2020 01:29PM

blanch152 wrote: »

It is funny how the evolutionary theory of republicanism which sees the bearer of the light being handed down from Wolfe Tone to Padraic Pearse to Gerry Adams dies out when the new IRA get mentioned.

more makey up stuff - or should i say WHATABOUTERY

blanch152 · 26-08-2020 01:30PM

maccored wrote: »

more makey up stuff - or should i say WHATABOUTERY

So we all agree that there is no link between the modern republican psychopaths that have been with us since 1969 and the men of 1916. Great.

maccored · 26-08-2020 01:36PM

blanch152 wrote: »

So we all agree that there is no link between the modern republican psychopaths that have been with us since 1969 and the men of 2015. Great.

what are you trying to say?

The Good Friday Agreement brought a halt to the PIRA campaign. The New IRA exist, but dont have my support as they dont adhere to the good friday agreement - but you can say yes, they all are related, bar the pira supported the GFA and the dissidents dont.

Does that make sense? So as much as you can say one is a continuation of the other, this time round - due to the GFA - theres a difference in opinion. This is why I dont support any of the IRAs after the GFA. there is no need for them at present.

Glad though to see that you are at last admitting that the IRA of the 20s is the same as the PIRA and the New IRA. About time.

FrancieBrady · 26-08-2020 01:42PM

blanch152 wrote: »

So we all agree that there is no link between the modern republican psychopaths that have been with us since 1969 and the men of 1916. Great.

All these 'psychopaths' that were miraculously cured by the GFA.

Honest to jaysus that one is nearly as shrill and ill informed as 'all de cumunities living in de fear of the 'RA' one.

markodaly · 26-08-2020 01:45PM

maccored wrote: »

so sf arent in government in the north then? or no, they are in power here? which is incorrect because you seem to think one of them is.

SF are NOT in government, but they are in Government.

markodaly · 26-08-2020 01:46PM

maccored wrote: »

I claimed there was no IRA (the provos dont exist) but then there is an IRA (the New IRA)?

Are the New IRA not just another group in the long line of IRA's?
There is still an IRA therefore.

maccored · 26-08-2020 01:48PM

markodaly wrote: »

Are the New IRA not just another group in the long line of IRA's?
There is still an IRA therefore.

yes indeed they are, though they rejected the only agreement the IRA were involved in. thats the difference.

Another person admitting that the IRA of the early 19th century were the same as the provos. Good for you.

maccored · 26-08-2020 01:49PM

markodaly wrote: »

SF are NOT in government, but they are in Government.

they arent in government but they are in government .... so you agree then with what I was saying yet you wanted to see yourself type by pretending you disagreed. More WHATABOUTERY from Markodaly

26-08-2020 01:59PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

All these 'psychopaths' that were miraculously cured by the GFA.

Honest to jaysus that one is nearly as shrill and ill informed as 'all de cumunities living in de fear of the 'RA' one.

The murderers of McCartney, Rafferty and Quinn continued as they were in the IRA.

The guy who killed McCabe nearly stabbed his wife to death.

markodaly · 26-08-2020 02:01PM

maccored wrote: »

they arent in government but they are in government ....

Its clear its gone over your head.

The point I am making that SF are indeed in government, they are part of the government in Stormont, are they not?

maccored · 26-08-2020 02:25PM

maccored wrote: »

they are in government in the north, which is a different jurisdiction. Give up the comedy - its not working for you

markodaly wrote: »

Its clear its gone over your head.

The point I am making that SF are indeed in government, they are part of the government in Stormont, are they not?

I did say that. Read the posts Markodaly - just dont jump to reply to them without reading first

Edgware · 26-08-2020 02:39PM

jh79 wrote: »

The murderers of McCartney, Rafferty and Quinn continued as they were in the IRA.

The guy who killed McCabe nearly stabbed his wife to death.

Ah but he is a good republican and so is to be forgiven

FrancieBrady · 26-08-2020 03:01PM

jh79 wrote: »

The murderers of McCartney, Rafferty and Quinn continued as they were in the IRA.

The guy who killed McCabe nearly stabbed his wife to death.

That's 3, involved in incidents that had nothing to do with the conflict/war.

Methinks this is going to be another...name more than two or three spies that we know about, and more than two or three involved in sexual abuse dead end.

26-08-2020 03:04PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

That's 3, involved in incidents that had nothing to do with the conflict/war.

Methinks this is going to be another...name more than two or three spies that we know about, and more than two or three involved in sexual abuse dead end.

You asked about psychopaths "cured" by the GFA. That's three victims but a group of perpetrators that continued with their psychopathic tendencies after the GFA.

jm08 · 26-08-2020 03:07PM

jh79 wrote: »

The murderers of McCartney, Rafferty and Quinn continued as they were in the IRA.

All these murders were made prior to the St. Andrews Agreement and prior to when the PIRA had agreed to support policing.

I'm not trying to excuse the murders, but you are going back a long time when transitioning to the political process was only taking place.

As regards Rafferty, it was criminals who killed him according to Bertie Ahern:

Ahern stated the murder was committed by "Elements, probably of criminality, claim[ing] they had links with republicans."

Yeah_Right · 26-08-2020 03:08PM

maccored wrote: »

This is why I dont support any of the IRAs after the GFA.

This sentence cracks me up. The mental gymnastics to sit there and say that you don't support the IRA, you just support the IRA. No, no, not that IRA. The other IRA. No the OTHER IRA. So you're talking about the IRA? Or the IRA?

Can you not see how it gets confusing for normal, sane people when you belligerent republicans go on about the various IRAs they do and don't support. To us, every version of them since the Troubles began, are the same. Sticking Provisional, Real, Continuity, BlahBlah in front of it doesn't change anything. They are the IRA!! Maybe if the morons could come up with original names every time they decided break away from whatever version they were members of, it wouldn't be so confusing.

maccored · 26-08-2020 03:12PM

Yeah_Right wrote: »

This sentence cracks me up. The mental gymnastics to sit there and say that you don't support the IRA, you just support the IRA. No, no, not that IRA. The other IRA. No the OTHER IRA. So you're talking about the IRA? Or the IRA?

Can you not see how it gets confusing for normal, sane people when you belligerent republicans go on about the various IRAs they do and don't support. To us, every version of them since the Troubles began, are the same. Sticking Provisional, Real, Continuity, BlahBlah in front of it doesn't change anything. They are the IRA!! Maybe if the morons could come up with original names every time they decided break away from whatever version they were members of, it wouldn't be so confusing.

let me clear it up for you:

After the GFA, there is no need for any form of the IRA.

You do know what the good friday agreement is yes? Because it cracks me up listening to blahblahblahblah

tikkahunter · 26-08-2020 03:12PM

maccored wrote: »

what has you making things up go to do with this thread?

Noting made up .

FrancieBrady · 26-08-2020 03:15PM

Yeah_Right wrote: »

This sentence cracks me up. The mental gymnastics to sit there and say that you don't support the IRA, you just support the IRA. No, no, not that IRA. The other IRA. No the OTHER IRA. So you're talking about the IRA? Or the IRA?

Can you not see how it gets confusing for normal, sane people when you belligerent republicans go on about the various IRAs they do and don't support. To us, every version of them since the Troubles began, are the same. Sticking Provisional, Real, Continuity, BlahBlah in front of it doesn't change anything. They are the IRA!! Maybe if the morons could come up with original names every time they decided break away from whatever version they were members of, it wouldn't be so confusing.

Why would anyone be annoyed if you won't take the time to properly inform youself who was who in the war/conflict.

I mean you did a course on this stuff dis you not?

maccored · 26-08-2020 03:15PM

tikkahunter wrote: »

Noting made up .

Thought the Northern Ireland Ra pension was the taxi and taxi licenses they all got handed out.

so that waffle is fact now?

SafeSurfer · 26-08-2020 03:29PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

That's 3, involved in incidents that had nothing to do with the conflict/war.

Methinks this is going to be another...name more than two or three spies that we know about, and more than two or three involved in sexual abuse dead end.

You still going on about this as if it didn’t exist Francie?

Sure there is a quota of child rapists in the Adams family alone.

If you want 3 spies how about Gerry’s head of counter intelligence, Gerry’s right hand man in Stormont and Gerry’s driver.

FrancieBrady · 26-08-2020 03:32PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

You still going on about this as if it didn’t exist Francie?

Sure there is a quota of child rapists in the Adams family alone.

If you want 3 spies how about Gerry’s head of counter intelligence, Gerry’s right hand man in Stormont and Gerry’s driver.

You forgot Gerry himself and McGuinness :eek::eek:

SafeSurfer · 26-08-2020 03:33PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You forgot Gerry himself and McGuinness :eek::eek:

Deflect, deflect, deflect!!!

FrancieBrady · 26-08-2020 03:37PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Deflect, deflect, deflect!!!

'All the IRA were psychopaths'
The IRA were riddled with informers and spies'
SF and the IRA infested with sex abusers and pedophiles'

Have we got over 5 in any category yet?

Mythmaking and sensationalist comments are just that SS.

maccored · 26-08-2020 03:37PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Deflect, deflect, deflect!!!

i thought he was just contributing to the little fantasy world you have going - you know - the one where the brits fight themselves

SafeSurfer · 26-08-2020 03:40PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

'All the IRA were psychopaths'
The IRA were riddled with informers and spies'
SF and the IRA infested with sex abusers and pedophiles'

Have we got over 5 in any category yet?

Mythmaking and sensationalist comments are just that SS.

No, no, no Francie.

It’s you who is saying people can only name 2 or 3 sex abusers or informers in the republican movement.

I think that’s both deflection and, to use a favourite term of yours, a well worn trope.

FrancieBrady · 26-08-2020 04:06PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

No, no, no Francie.

It’s you who is saying people can only name 2 or 3 sex abusers or informers in the republican movement.

I think that’s both deflection and, to use a favourite term of yours, a well worn trope.

If you say,

'All the IRA were psychopaths'
The IRA were riddled with informers and spies'
SF and the IRA infested with sex abusers and pedophiles'

naming a few is not evidence that you are correct in the mythmaking above. You are being a sensationalist for political effect.
It's pretty basic stuff.

SafeSurfer · 26-08-2020 04:16PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If you say,

'All the IRA were psychopaths'
The IRA were riddled with informers and spies'
SF and the IRA infested with sex abusers and pedophiles'

naming a few is not evidence that you are correct in the mythmaking above. You are being a sensationalist for political effect.
It's pretty basic stuff.

Basic stuff indeed Francie.

You said only 2 or 3 republican sex abusers Or informers could be named, therefore it is all a “myth”.

Here’s 6 of each

Denis Donaldson
Freddie Scappaticci
Brendan “Ruby” Davison, (he is both an informer and sex abuser)
Raymond Gilmour
Martin Mc Gartland
Eamon Collins
Roy Mc Shane

Gerry Adams Snr
Liam Adams
Seamus Marley
Martin Morris
Brendan “Ruby” Davison
Eamon Cooke

FrancieBrady · 26-08-2020 04:27PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Basic stuff indeed Francie.

You said only 2 or 3 republican sex abusers Or informers could be named, therefore it is all a “myth”.

Here’s 6 of each

Denis Donaldson
Freddie Scappaticci
Brendan “Ruby” Davison, (he is both an informer and sex abuser)
Raymond Gilmour
Martin Mc Gartland
Eamon Collins
Roy Mc Shane

Gerry Adams Snr
Liam Adams
Seamus Marley
Martin Morris
Brendan “Ruby” Davison
Eamon Cooke

No...SafeSurfer...nobody noticed your little shift of the goalposts there...nobody at all.

We are talking about 'republicans' now not those who are in SF or the IRA.

'Riddled & Infested' Six? Really?

Give up SS, and try losing the sensationalist angle, you will eb taken more seriously.

*p.s. I see your court has found an alleged abuser guilty there...well done on that.

Superfoods · 26-08-2020 04:39PM

I can see why Sinn Fein told supporter to shut up on social media. A quick read of the c**p been posted here and it would turn any decent person from ever voting for Sinn Fein.

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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