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Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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  • #1472
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,001 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    It's become endemic, it's not the only show in town now. We need to move on and out of this climate of fear the media here have created.
    Keep your distance, wash your hands regularly, carry on as normal otherwise, take off the tin foil hat.

    And read more from scientists who are not on one extreme or the other !

    Carl Heneghan is an apologist for Boris's handling of the UK " not lockdown " and is very much on one end of the spectrum


  • #1473
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    The meat plant in Tipp is private testing afaik but not huge amount of cases die in Tipp today


  • #1474
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    Discrepancy in the testing numbers of 17
    listed as 7648 completed in 24 hours should be 7665
    happened on the 20th as well except it was 507 difference. 11416 listed, should have been 11923


  • #1475
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The attendance at sport decision was not a scientifically valid decision, and seems to have been based on a couple of cases of people catching it travelling together to matches, however the thinking is - restrict less socially or economically important activities more, so the more important ones can operate with less
    It wasn't about the sport, just the congregating. As "stupid" and annoying as it is to some, it's low hanging fruit and it's a crude way to pick off locations that might have larger numbers and mingling.


  • #1476
    Jaded Walker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 105 ✭✭Jaded Walker


    Akabusi wrote: »
    It might sound cruel but has your friend and his wife done anything to improve their conditions? You mention diabetes and in most cases people who have it are overweight and have bad diets, have they tried to improve their lifestyle and lost any weight? I'm not saying this is the case here but a lot of people never do anything to help themselves first, they'd prefer to just moan about whatever perceived injustice is falling on them.
    Well he walks his dogs about six miles daily. He isn't overweight.
    His wife has a serious blood pressure condition. She is a little overweight, probably due to having to avoid pushing herself, she also suffers from severe asthma.


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  • #1477
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,511 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The attendance at sport decision was not a scientifically valid decision

    Neither are valid decisions and neither have even a toe hold in science.

    What our elected officials were essentially told today by our public health officials, that indoors, humans under the age of 18/19 are unlikely to transmit the virus to other humans, student or teacher.

    So the question which I am sure wasn't asked.

    On that basis schools are essentially Indoor Covid Free areas, that is fúcking amazing!

    So, why are we mandating for masks, spending millions on ripping schools apart and bothering to keep kids home at all whatever the symptoms.

    On that "science" the only things we need to do is keep adults away from each other on drop off and pickup and have limited face to face contact with other teachers, masked and 2 meters apart.

    Seems like a complete and utter waste of money, no?

    Unless that is all bullshít? Maybe, no?


  • #1478
    Boggles
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    It wasn't about the sport, just the congregating. As "stupid" and annoying as it is to some, it's low hanging fruit and it's a crude way to pick off locations that might have larger numbers and mingling.

    Is 32 kids + 6/7 teachers a day indoors not "mingling" essentially?


  • #1479
    brick tamland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,572 ✭✭✭brick tamland


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Private testing maybe? That indicates a large cluster if it’s ~60 extra cases


    But if 90 cases in Dublin is correct, there hasn't been any talk of large private testing/clusters in Dublin has there?

    Unless its some historical numbers been found somewhere or some company testing its staff?????

    If indeed the number given earlier are correct


  • #1480
    Akabusi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    Private testing does not sit well with me in during a public health emergency.


  • #1481
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,301 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Akabusi wrote: »
    Private testing does not sit well with me in during a public health emergency.


    Particularly in meat plants.


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  • #1482
    Boggles
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    Akabusi wrote: »
    Private testing does not sit well with me in during a public health emergency.

    Why?

    We had to enlist private labs in Germany to help with our testing and probably will have to again.

    Would you be against that?


  • #1483
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Boggles wrote: »
    Is 32 kids + 6/7 teachers a day indoors not "mingling" essentially?
    The argument is that it is or will be a controlled environment, one that can be managed by breaking it down into even smaller units of control. We'll see the truth of that in due course.


  • #1484
    blowitupref
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    There’s no backlog so we’ll see if yourdeadwright is right with his higher case figure than swabs

    Last 96 hours

    Positive swabs 421

    Cases 464

    An extra 43 cases of beer found in the cellar?


  • #1485
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    brick tamland wrote: »
    But if 90 cases in Dublin is correct, there hasn't been any talk of large private testing/clusters in Dublin has there?

    Unless its some historical numbers been found somewhere or some company testing its staff?????

    If indeed the number given earlier are correct
    The Dublin numbers seem to be all over the Dublin area. As a proportion they are not alarming but the ongoing increase is a "cause for concern".


  • #1486
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,001 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Boggles wrote: »
    Why?

    We had to enlist private labs in Germany to help with our testing and probably will have to again.

    Would you be against that?

    That was helping the public system though.
    If there are serious outbreaks it is in the public interest that it is managed with utmost transparency , an attribute which Mr. Goodman is not known for .


  • #1487
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,001 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Type 1 diabetes has absolutely nothing to do with life style . It is an auto immune disease that attacks the beta cells in the pancreas . Children of 18 months have been diagnosed . Type 1 is a very different disease

    Also Type 2 from genetic causes , people with it can be otherwise healthy and fit and still get it as they get older .


  • #1488
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,001 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Akabusi wrote: »
    It might sound cruel but has your friend and his wife done anything to improve their conditions? You mention diabetes and in most cases people who have it are overweight and have bad diets, have they tried to improve their lifestyle and lost any weight? I'm not saying this is the case here but a lot of people never do anything to help themselves first, they'd prefer to just moan about whatever perceived injustice is falling on them.

    This is cruel, unnecessary and frankly untrue .
    Nasty post .


  • #1489
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Akabusi wrote: »
    Private testing does not sit well with me in during a public health emergency.

    My employer has engaged a private lab to test all new employees prior to arrival onsite, and are considering widening it out to a wider surveillance programme(50 samples taken as a pilot returned 50 negatives). They will also start testing employees who need to travel for work, once that is again permitted. The reason is to help prevent an outbreak at the plant, threatening both the well being of employees and continuity of manufacturing. I cant see how this is not a good thing


  • #1490
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    This is cruel, unnecessary and frankly untrue .
    Nasty post .

    And its extremely judgemental .


  • #1491
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    is_that_so wrote: »
    The Dublin numbers seem to be all over the Dublin area. As a proportion they are not alarming but the ongoing increase is a "cause for concern".

    I do find it a little odd tbh - and not from a "I dont believe in COVID" conspiracy theory POV - but Dublin numbers are pretty big, yet I don't know a single person who's had it or suspected to have had it, and my own ED has had 80 cases, with just 3 cases in between the two map updates over the last 2 months, from a population of >12k within what is apparently one of the worst effected postcodes in the county.


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  • #1492
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    This is cruel, unnecessary and frankly untrue .
    Nasty post .

    What else would you expect from the public health experts who graduated from the boards.ie medical school, year 2020? Their main take away from their special year of online boards.ie medical studies is covid19 being a little cold.


  • #1493
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    I do find it a little odd tbh - and not from a "I dont believe in COVID" conspiracy theory POV - but Dublin numbers are pretty big, yet I don't know a single person who's had it or suspected to have had it, and my own ED has had 80 cases, with just 3 cases in between the two map updates over the last 2 months, from a population of >12k within what is apparently one of the worst effected postcodes in the county.
    Glynn was asked that and he mentioned NW, W and NC as examples but said it was mostly all over Dublin.


  • #1494
    Akabusi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    Boggles wrote: »
    Why?

    We had to enlist private labs in Germany to help with our testing and probably will have to again.

    Would you be against that?

    Because of individual interests and money. We have had many cases of corruption in this country, don't need to be adding to the list. In this specific example it seems the meat plants have decided they will employ and manage the private testing themselves. I have no problem if private testing is done through the State such as what happened when samples where being sent to Germany.


  • #1495
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    I do find it a little odd tbh - and not from a "I dont believe in COVID" conspiracy theory POV - but Dublin numbers are pretty big, yet I don't know a single person who's had it or suspected to have had it, and my own ED has had 80 cases, with just 3 cases in between the two map updates over the last 2 months, from a population of >12k within what is apparently one of the worst effected postcodes in the county.

    People don't tend to announce it the world, I had covid. I do know a few that had it and there is still unfairly a little bit of embarrassment/stigma. You probably do know people who have had covid, they just didn't tell you. I'm not sure if had it I would be announcing it either, maybe just to very close friends and family.


  • #1496
    GooglePlus
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    Akabusi wrote: »
    Because of individual interests and money. We have had many cases of corruption in this country, don't need to be adding to the list. In this specific example it seems the meat plants have decided they will employ and manage the private testing themselves. I have no problem if private testing is done through the State such as what happened when samples where being sent to Germany.

    The private testers are obliged to report to the state, the party arranging the tests can't ask them to hold back information.


  • #1497
    fritzelly
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    GooglePlus wrote: »
    The private testers are obliged to report to the state, the party arranging the tests can't ask them to hold back information.

    https://www.hpsc.ie/notifiablediseases/listofnotifiablediseases/Immediate%20preliminary%20notification%20to%20a%20MOH%2004032020.pdf


  • #1498
    Akabusi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    This is cruel, unnecessary and frankly untrue .
    Nasty post .

    No need for the outrage, my question was answered without it. Also it is not untrue. I'll be specific, along with genes (which they cannot do anything about) being overweight and inactive is a known cause of Type 2 diabetes.


    https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/diabetes/overview/symptoms-causes#type


  • #1499
    Akabusi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    Deleted User wrote: »
    My employer has engaged a private lab to test all new employees prior to arrival onsite, and are considering widening it out to a wider surveillance programme(50 samples taken as a pilot returned 50 negatives). They will also start testing employees who need to travel for work, once that is again permitted. The reason is to help prevent an outbreak at the plant, threatening both the well being of employees and continuity of manufacturing. I cant see how this is not a good thing

    Okay, this is good but i still think the public testing should take over if or when a positive is found.


  • #1500
    Akabusi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    The private testers are obliged to report to the state, the party arranging the tests can't ask them to hold back information.

    Yeah Goodman would never flout the rules.


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  • #1501
    GooglePlus
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    Akabusi wrote: »
    Yeah Goodman would never flout the rules.

    Yeah, I'm sure a private testing company would risk ruin by controversy to save the neck of a ham company..


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