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How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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  • #4892
    Sunday Sunday
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Sunday Sunday


    firemansam4 wrote: »
    The government gets its advice from medical experts and doctors about vaccines, they hardly just sit around as a group of politicians and decide for themselves what vaccinations we should all have.

    Which is why flu vaccines are normally recommended for certain groups.

    Rolling it out to kids just to make life easier is not a reason alone to take them up on their offer.


  • #4893
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,063 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    s1ippy wrote: »
    Oh my god, if you are against vaccines, it doesn't matter what made up nonsense you justify it to yourself with, you are anti-vax.

    If you aren't willing to get vaccinated, you can get the flu, not necessarily get sick yourself, and pass it onto someone vulnerable, who may die. That's what it's for.

    Please, as someone who gets it every year due to being a healthcare worker, there are no adverse effects that I've ever experienced in ten years of getting it. I also never had a flu in my life, which is great. It takes fifteen minutes and costs ten euro. It could save someone's life if you do, please please just get it.

    Why don't the other 50% of health care workers get it, there antivaxxers as well then we can only assume?

    Healthy people in an non risk group do not need yearly flu jabs. If you want to say it's not about saving our lives it's about saving theirs you'd be best starting with your co workers who are dealing with the the most vunrable yet still refuse to get it before you start trying to send parents of healthy 2yr olds on a guilt trip basically accusing them of attempted murder.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30956315.html


  • #4894
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,817 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I would guess that the vast majority of teachers and pupils are ok with going back to school, and have no problem with it.

    But the media love pushing the negativity angle, RTE especially. They can't get enough worried parents and teachers on the radio to tell us its all a disgrace and they want to keep their kids off.

    The culture of fear.


  • #4895
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    There's loads of other threads better suited to vaccination nonsense


  • #4896
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,523 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Sunday Sunday wrote: »
    So say I'm not at risk and neither is my family,

    But you could pass it on to someone who is at risk.

    So

    Pros

    You could save someones life.

    Cons.

    Minor and very rare side effects.

    You weighed both of those up and the Cons won?

    :pac:


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  • #4897
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,523 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    NIMAN wrote: »
    But the media love pushing the negativity angle, RTE especially.

    RTE have been running puff pieces all week on how safe schools are.

    It spectacularly backfired yesterday when they came across a school with 150-160 people in a hall.

    But the spirit of the piece was supposed to be how safe and brilliant schools are.


  • #4898
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,063 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    NIMAN wrote: »
    I would guess that the vast majority of teachers and pupils are ok with going back to school, and have no problem with it.

    But the media love pushing the negativity angle, RTE especially. They can't get enough worried parents and teachers on the radio to tell us its all a disgrace and they want to keep their kids off.

    The culture of fear.

    They've really hyped the fear level, I've been working the whole way through this dealing with the general public, there looking at the daily case numbers and getting scared, the media are being a disgrace, I wonder which one will be first to say everything looks ok as right now it does. Hospital admissions aren't up, deaths are rare compared to other illnesses.
    If the country doesn't implode in 14 days after schools are back, the gigs up, follow the basics but we're going back to close to normal as possible.


  • #4899
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,885 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Sunday Sunday wrote: »
    If they have researched it and are happy with their choice and comfortable with their decision then that's fine.

    But surely the great majority of people who decide not to get vaccinated are doing so on the basis of what they think is solid evidence, even if the source is David Icke or Alex Jones or whoever.

    Would you only label as 'anti-vax' those doing it of cussedness or a desire to 'stick it to the man' or something like that? Because those who would actually admit to such motivation, even to themselves, must surely be few and far between...


  • #4900
    Jaded Walker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 105 ✭✭Jaded Walker


    I was listening to the Stand podcast as regards back to school. He had on Tomas Ryan, Associate Professor in the School of Biochemistry and Immunology in Trinity College. He spoke very well, didn't seem biased and explained a lot of things. One thing he said about the schools reopening is that we have to be prepared to lose 111 children under the age of 18 as that is what the numbers dictate will happen if we get outbreaks across the country.


  • #4901
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,063 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Jesus, when should these 111 be dead by?


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  • #4902
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    NIMAN wrote: »
    I would guess that the vast majority of teachers and pupils are ok with going back to school, and have no problem with it.

    But the media love pushing the negativity angle, RTE especially. They can't get enough worried parents and teachers on the radio to tell us its all a disgrace and they want to keep their kids off.

    The culture of fear.


    Not so sure NIMAN and I don't know how much the boards demographic represents the country in general but reading the teachers fora and here it seems there's a fair amount of concern/anxiety from both parents and teachers.


    Of course there's as many who seem to be fairly relaxed about it too.


    I think I fall somewhere in the middle, it would have been "nice" if a more phased approach could have been implemented mixed with an online option.


    But I think our whole approach to covid would have needed to be different to benefit from that anyway.


    I personally don't know too many parents that are happy about it, but again that doesn't represent the country either.


  • #4903
    harr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭harr


    That shed in Athlone is a pure publicity stunt .. country schools near me have little or no extra room and didn’t need to resort to using a shed.
    One got a very small prefab with small heater and its fine and the other is using the small store room if needed. I can’t believe for one second a shed outside was the only or best option.
    It really depends of the school and principal , one of my sons school has everything planned out meticulously and all staff have been flat out the last few weeks and we have received regular updates.
    My other sons school have have been less pro active and have had to delay opening for a week because they are only starting deep clean this weekend and parents have had little or no communication.


  • #4904
    Sunday Sunday
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Sunday Sunday


    Boggles wrote: »
    But you could pass it on to someone who is at risk.

    So

    Pros

    You could save someones life.

    Cons.

    Minor and very rare side effects.

    You weighed both of those up and the Cons won?

    :pac:


    If they are at risk would they not choose to be vaccinated themselves?


  • #4905
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,063 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    limnam wrote: »
    Not so sure NIMAN and I don't know how much the boards demographic represents the country in general but reading the teachers fora and here it seems there's a fair amount of concern/anxiety from both parents and teachers.

    There is a lot of anxiety out there but it all depends on what you've been doing, I think parents who have had their kids enrolled in activities during the summer(soccer, gaa, athletics etc), have taken a staycation and generally been out and about through most of this are more relaxed, I certainly am.
    I can understand if you've been a little locked up your sense of fear is probably off the charts but it's probably not warranted in a lot of communities around the country.
    Two weeks will tell a lot, most parents in a few days will be back to normality with just a bigger focus on personal Hygiene.


  • #4906
    Naos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,740 ✭✭✭Naos


    ELM327 wrote: »
    This is antivax nonsense.
    You are anti vax.
    drunkmonkey wrote:
    I don't want to start my young kids on a lifetime of flu jabs, I've 40ys on them and have never been advised to get a flu jab as I'm not in an at risk category. I've got the flu once in my life, I've built my own immune system and want my kids to do the same

    Ah come on Elm - I've had all my MMR shots and absolutely think kids should get them, but I've never had a Flu jab.

    Doesn't make me anti-vax.


  • #4907
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,523 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Sunday Sunday wrote: »
    If they are at risk would they not choose to be vaccinated themselves?

    How can children choose to vaccinate themselves?

    :confused:

    Some mothers are having none of it.
    Sunday Sunday wrote: »
    I won't be getting flu vaccine for anyone in my family either


  • #4908
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Sunday Sunday wrote: »
    If they are at risk would they not choose to be vaccinated themselves?

    Each and every person vaccinated reduces the spread, protecting more people, especially in a case where a vaccine is only partially effective.


  • #4909
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,249 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    harr wrote: »
    That shed in Athlone is a pure publicity stunt .. country schools near me have little or no extra room and didn’t need to resort to using a shed.
    One got a very small prefab with small heater and its fine and the other is using the small store room if needed. I can’t believe for one second a shed outside was the only or best option.
    It really depends of the school and principal , one of my sons school has everything planned out meticulously and all staff have been flat out the last few weeks and we have received regular updates.
    My other sons school have have been less pro active and have had to delay opening for a week because they are only starting deep clean this weekend and parents have had little or no communication.

    I looked at the shed and thought why not just get a nice wooden wendy house , child friendly and decorate it with taste . It could be painted and a bit of imagination used Surely someone could have come up with something better than a plain shed


  • #4910
    Sunday Sunday
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Sunday Sunday


    Boggles wrote: »
    How can children choose to vaccinate themselves?

    :confused:

    Some mothers are having none of it.

    Surely at risk children would have their parents decide, that's how it works usually.

    All mine are vaccinated with the usual childhood schedule, just won't be getting a flu vaccine for them when I've decided that I don't deem it necessary.

    As they got older they were given non bias facts around vaccines to decide for themselves (and they continue to choose to vaccinate themselves).

    It's happening this year purely to make life easier, it was never available for free to kids precovid unless they had an underlying condition.


  • #4911
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,441 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Boggles wrote: »
    How can children choose to vaccinate themselves?

    :confused:

    Some mothers are having none of it.

    Arra sure the hair is getting in some posters eyes and impacting on their ability to remember what they say from one post to the next.

    Would someone from boards please put the vaccination stuff into a separate thread.


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  • #4912
    SusanC10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    Jaded Walker wrote: »
    I was listening to the Stand podcast as regards back to school. He had on Tomas Ryan, Associate Professor in the School of Biochemistry and Immunology in Trinity College. He spoke very well, didn't seem biased and explained a lot of things. One thing he said about the schools reopening is that we have to be prepared to lose 111 children under the age of 18 as that is what the numbers dictate will happen if we get outbreaks across the country.

    111 children to die ?
    In what kind of timeframe ?


  • #4913
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    s1ippy wrote: »
    Oh just get out with that anti vaxxer nonsense, it's irrelevant to this thread. Your children shouldn't be allowed to mix with other children, they're the ones who will be spreading the flu this year and you should be ashamed of yourself. Just because you don't know anyone vulnerable, doesn't put the ones who are at any less risk from you. Nobody thinks you're smart or informed for making that stupid, ignorant decision. Except anti-vaxxers, who have the same level of selfishness and lack of scientific understanding of how vaccines work.
    A huge percentage of your colleagues (if you workin healthcare) don't take flu jabs and neither do majority of population. I don't bother with flu vaccine because in my 42 years I never had a flu, I'm not in at risk group and don't work with at risk groups. So a bit less hysteria please and if you need to charge anyone's minds maybe you should start with your colleagues and healthcare unions who actually put others in danger by not getting flu vaccine.


  • #4914
    BonsaiKitten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,798 ✭✭✭BonsaiKitten


    Good afternoon from the frontlines (aka the classroom)! All going well - more or less - but bubbles and pods are an utter sham as I knew they'd be. The kids are great really but they are kids... they'll social distance if they remember to but if they suddenly remember their puppy/baby sister/smelly gel pens, they rush up to tell you. It is what it is. I'm just going to sanitise and see what happens - will be delighted if all goes well!


  • #4915
    firemansam4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭firemansam4


    NIMAN wrote:
    I would guess that the vast majority of teachers and pupils are ok with going back to school, and have no problem with it.

    But the media love pushing the negativity angle, RTE especially. They can't get enough worried parents and teachers on the radio to tell us its all a disgrace and they want to keep their kids off.

    The culture of fear.


    Agree,

    I understand many parents have concerns, but there just seems to be this irrational fear out there mainly stoked up by the media.

    I keep saying this, but statistically there is more chance of a child being killed in a car crash than dying of this disease, yet people don't want to send there kids to school because its too dangerous.

    OK if there is vulnerable people at home or a child with pre existing medical conditions I can understand that.


  • #4916
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,063 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Or a trampoline..


  • #4917
    SusanC10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    BonsaiKitten wrote: »
    Good afternoon from the frontlines (aka the classroom)! All going well - more or less - but bubbles and pods are an utter sham as I knew they'd be. The kids are great really but they are kids... they'll social distance if they remember to but if they suddenly remember their puppy/baby sister/smelly gel pens, they rush up to tell you. It is what it is. I'm just going to sanitise and see what happens - will be delighted if all goes well!

    Thanks for reporting back - which Class do you teach ? Are any Kids in the school wearing Masks ? (I know it is not mandatory in Primary)


  • #4918
    PCros
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,089 ✭✭✭PCros


    BonsaiKitten wrote: »
    Good afternoon from the frontlines (aka the classroom)! All going well - more or less - but bubbles and pods are an utter sham as I knew they'd be. The kids are great really but they are kids... they'll social distance if they remember to but if they suddenly remember their puppy/baby sister/smelly gel pens, they rush up to tell you. It is what it is. I'm just going to sanitise and see what happens - will be delighted if all goes well!

    Best of luck and thank you!

    Hopefully the little ones will learn to stay in their pods as much as they can!:)


  • #4919
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,441 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    BonsaiKitten wrote: »
    Good afternoon from the frontlines (aka the classroom)! All going well - more or less - but bubbles and pods are an utter sham as I knew they'd be. The kids are great really but they are kids... they'll social distance if they remember to but if they suddenly remember their puppy/baby sister/smelly gel pens, they rush up to tell you. It is what it is. I'm just going to sanitise and see what happens - will be delighted if all goes well!

    Any children with masks/visors on?


  • #4920
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Boggles wrote: »
    RTE have been running puff pieces all week on how safe schools are.

    It spectacularly backfired yesterday when they came across a school with 150-160 people in a hall.

    But the spirit of the piece was supposed to be how safe and brilliant schools are.
    Is it fake media narrative again. The opponents of school opening are really taking clues from Donald Trump playbook. Discredit the experts, discredit the traditional media and rely on twitter and 'trust me I can do basic maths' statements. It's sad there is so much glorification of stupidity in theead about schools.


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  • #4921
    SusanC10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    firemansam4 wrote: »
    Agree,

    I understand many parents have concerns, but there just seems to be this irrational fear out there mainly stoked up by the media.

    I keep saying this, but statistically there is more chance of a child being killed in a car crash than dying of this disease, yet people don't want to send there kids to school because its too dangerous.

    OK if there is vulnerable people at home or a child with pre existing medical conditions I can understand that.

    I am not worried about either of my healthy kids dying but for us it means that we will all need to stay away from our vulnerable extended family incl my Mum who is their only Grandparent.


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