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How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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  • #4862
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,063 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    ELM327 wrote: »
    This is antivax nonsense.
    You are anti vax.

    Grow up, if you want to stick your kids in for a lifetime of flu jabs starting at such a young age off with you.
    It doesn't make me an anti vaxxer. 2yr olds don't need a flu jab.


  • #4863
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,181 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Grow up, if you want to stick your kids in for a lifetime of flu jabs starting at such a young age off with you.
    It doesn't make me an anti vaxxer. 2yr olds don't need a flu jab.
    If your biggest argument is "grow up" I think that speaks volumes, don't you.


  • #4864
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,521 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    seamus wrote: »
    It's not ideal, but they're hardly going to be thrown in there to sit with a lawnmower and a load of rusty old tools.

    Just old concrete blocks, which are dual purpose.

    A seat and so the cheapest shíttiest shed that is available on the market doesn't blow away.

    You know we have reached rock bottom when that passes as an "isolation room".


  • #4865
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,463 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    smellyoldboot wrote: »
    Had a chat with my daughter about this earlier as she was worried about isolation and basically my logic was this: There's very little risk of you going into isolation if we are paying attention to you properly. The kids that will go in there it is probably necessary because they have symptoms and their parents sent them in anyway.

    And that's the long and short of it. We won't need isolation rooms if parents do their job and watch their own children for symptoms and don't send them to school sick.

    There is however the likelihood that not all parents will do their job and some kids will inevitably be sent to school by their parents when they shouldn't (i.e. they have a temperature or other symptoms).


  • #4866
    SusanC10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    Question - suppose a Child has Asthma and regularly coughs for months on end. School are saying a GP letter is needed confirming that cough is not the Virus. But the GP can only say that at that particular point in time it is not the Virus. How often will a child like that need to go to the GP ?


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  • #4867
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,521 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    smellyoldboot wrote: »
    We won't need isolation rooms if parents do their job and watch their own children for symptoms and don't send them to school sick.

    Parents have been told to send their children to school with symptoms.

    Lesser common symptoms but not insignificant ones.


  • #4868
    PCros
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,089 ✭✭✭PCros


    SusanC10 wrote: »
    Question - suppose a Child has Asthma and regularly coughs for months on end. School are saying a GP letter is needed confirming that cough is not the Virus. But the GP can only say that at that particular point in time it is not the Virus. How often will a child like that need to go to the GP ?

    I suppose if the other symptoms show up then yes you would assume could be the virus or it could a cold.


  • #4869
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,249 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Absolutely.
    At the end of the day a quick temp check and look over for symptoms before leaving for school is not a major inconvenience.

    Children can get sick very quickly . It is possible a child could develop symptoms in the six hours they are in school
    I brought a grandchild to school last year who skipped to school . By 12:30 she a temp and a headache


  • #4870
    PCros
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,089 ✭✭✭PCros


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    There is however the likelihood that not all parents will do their job and some kids will inevitably be sent to school by their parents when they shouldn't (i.e. they have a temperature or other symptoms).

    I don't think any parent is going to send their kids to school with a temperature or other symptoms...regardless if the virus was here or not.


  • #4871
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,441 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    PCros wrote: »
    I don't think any parent is going to send their kids to school with a temperature or other symptoms...regardless if the virus was here or not.

    Are you for real? Spot the person who 100% doesn't work in the school environment.


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  • #4872
    Sunday Sunday
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Sunday Sunday


    GhostyMcGhost wrote: »
    Did anyone see this? As a parent, this actually upsets and angers me that a young child will be left in isolation in a ****ing shed.... Imagine how that would feel! If I had a child in that school, i'm sorry but I would not be one bit impressed. I'd be giving serious thought about sending them in

    https://twitter.com/ciaranmullooly/status/1298539359445094400

    Taken from https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2020/0826/1161376-isolation-school/


    This madness needs to end, time for parents to stand up for their kids now. We can't keep accepting more and more situations just for the sake of being seen to follow health advice.

    I don't for one minute blame the school here either.

    Common sense will hopefully prevail. If not then parents need to make their voices heard finally.


  • #4873
    PCros
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,089 ✭✭✭PCros


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    Are you for real? Spot the person who 100% doesn't work in the school environment.

    Yeah I didn't say I worked in a school?:confused:

    Its a disgrace if you have to put up with that.


  • #4874
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,181 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Children can get sick very quickly . It is possible a child could develop symptoms in the six hours they are in school
    I brought a grandchild to school last year who skipped to school . By 12:30 she a temp and a headache
    Absolutely. Our two are teen and preteen respectively and I know all too well the respective ailments! Just saying that if everyone bothered to at least check in the morning it could go a long way to helping. Not 100% of course


  • #4875
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Grow up, if you want to stick your kids in for a lifetime of flu jabs starting at such a young age off with you.
    It doesn't make me an anti vaxxer. 2yr olds don't need a flu jab.

    100% agree

    Your not anti vax btw

    I find it very very strange how anyone thinks its healthy to start yearly flu vaccines at 5 years old till 85 years old

    Immune systems dont come from a bottle, they are built


  • #4876
    Sunday Sunday
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Sunday Sunday


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    100% agree

    Your not anti vax btw

    I find it very very strange how anyone thinks its healthy to start yearly flu vaccines at 5 years old till 85 years old

    Immune systems dont come from a bottle, they are built

    Agree, somewhere between the anti vax folk and the sheeple there are intelligent people who weigh up the pros and cons accordingly.

    I won't be getting flu vaccine for anyone in my family either. I'd be doing serious research on any covid one that comes along too before making my mind up on that.


  • #4877
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,885 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Sunday Sunday wrote: »
    Agree, somewhere between the anti vax folk and the sheeple there are intelligent people who weigh up the pros and cons accordingly.

    And presumably someone who did this and on that basis decided against getting any and all vaccinations for themselves and their children would not be 'anti-vax' in your eyes either...


  • #4878
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,181 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    And presumably someone who did this and on that basis decided against getting any and all vaccinations for themselves and their children would not be 'anti-vax' in your eyes either...
    I always know which posters to disregard based on the use of certain verbiage.
    "Sheeple" is a common one, used a lot by anti vaccination groups as some sort of attempted slur against those who get vaccinated, or wear masks etc.


  • #4879
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,521 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    "I am not antivax, but there is no fúcking way me or any of my family are getting vaccinated".

    On the up side, more 5g bandwidth for the rest of us.


  • #4880
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,181 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Boggles wrote: »
    "I am not antivax, but there is no fúcking way me or any of my family are getting vaccinated".

    On the up side, more 5g bandwidth for the rest of us.
    Perhaps rather poetically, the mind indeed boggles :D


  • #4881
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    Oh my god, if you are against vaccines, it doesn't matter what made up nonsense you justify it to yourself with, you are anti-vax.

    If you aren't willing to get vaccinated, you can get the flu, not necessarily get sick yourself, and pass it onto someone vulnerable, who may die. That's what it's for.

    Please, as someone who gets it every year due to being a healthcare worker, there are no adverse effects that I've ever experienced in ten years of getting it. I also never had a flu in my life, which is great. It takes fifteen minutes and costs ten euro. It could save someone's life if you do, please please just get it.


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  • #4882
    Sunday Sunday
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Sunday Sunday


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    And presumably someone who did this and on that basis decided against getting any and all vaccinations for themselves and their children would not be 'anti-vax' in your eyes either...

    If they have researched it and are happy with their choice and comfortable with their decision then that's fine.

    To just take a vaccine because its available and the government said so or to not take a vaccine because you don't do vaccination doesn't show informed decision making.


  • #4883
    Sunday Sunday
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Sunday Sunday


    s1ippy wrote: »
    Please, as someone who gets it every year due to being a healthcare worker, there are no adverse effects that I've ever experienced in ten years of getting it. I also never had a flu in my life, which is great. It takes fifteen minutes and costs ten euro. It could save someone's life if you do, please please just get it.

    You get it due to being a healthcare worker, you made an informed choice based on the pros and cons for you.


  • #4884
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,521 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Sunday Sunday wrote: »


    You get it due to being a healthcare worker, you made an informed choice based on the pros and cons for you.

    What are "cons" for the flu vaccine?


  • #4885
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,789 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Our school rewards kids who attend every day of the school year with a certificate on the last day of year in a ceremony with all the pupils present.
    Kids who only missed a day get mentioned in dispatches also.


    While there are many good positive things done by the principal/school, this is one of the things we have always found objectionable.
    Whenever we have raised it with the school, they said that they were required to have an attendance policy/system by the department and this is the best they could come up with.


  • #4886
    [Deleted User]
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    Thierry12 wrote: »
    100% agree

    Your not anti vax btw

    I find it very very strange how anyone thinks its healthy to start yearly flu vaccines at 5 years old till 85 years old

    Immune systems dont come from a bottle, they are built

    That exactly what a vaccine does - build the immune system through exposure to genetic material from the virus, in pretty much the same way as catching the virus does,except without the nasty side effects. A vaccine is a shortcut to the same outcome


  • #4887
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    Sunday Sunday wrote: »
    If they have researched it and are happy with their choice and comfortable with their decision then that's fine.

    To just take a vaccine because its available and the government said so or to not take a vaccine because you don't do vaccination doesn't show informed decision making.
    You see, vaccinations aren't about you, if you can wrap your head around that one. They're about people with weakened immune systems who are vulnerable, and keeping them protected from people like you who are too selfish and uninformed to take fifteen minutes out of your entire year to protect them.


  • #4888
    firemansam4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭firemansam4


    Sunday Sunday wrote:
    If they have researched it and are happy with their choice and comfortable with their decision then that's fine.

    To just take a vaccine because its available and the government said so or to not take a vaccine because you don't do vaccination doesn't show informed decision making.


    The government gets its advice from medical experts and doctors about vaccines, they hardly just sit around as a group of politicians and decide for themselves what vaccinations we should all have.


  • #4889
    Sunday Sunday
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Sunday Sunday


    Boggles wrote: »
    What are "cons" for the flu vaccine?

    So say I'm not at risk and neither is my family, I choose not to get a vaccine with limited effectiveness, some cons are:

    only about 40–60% of flu shots are effective in preventing the flu each year

    Up to 2 weeks to take effect

    They can cause side effects, such as pain, redness, and swelling at the injection site

    some people may experience low grade fever, headaches, and muscle aches after the vaccine

    Guillain-Barré syndrome can develop rarely following a flu vaccine

    If someone falls into the at risk group they can by all means decide to protect themselves, isn't that how it works.


  • #4890
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    Oh just get out with that anti vaxxer nonsense, it's irrelevant to this thread. Your children shouldn't be allowed to mix with other children, they're the ones who will be spreading the flu this year and you should be ashamed of yourself. Just because you don't know anyone vulnerable, doesn't put the ones who are at any less risk from you. Nobody thinks you're smart or informed for making that stupid, ignorant decision. Except anti-vaxxers, who have the same level of selfishness and lack of scientific understanding of how vaccines work.


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  • #4891
    [Deleted User]
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    Sunday Sunday wrote: »
    So say I'm not at risk and neither is my family, I choose not to get a vaccine with limited effectiveness, some cons are:

    only about 40–60% of flu shots are effective in preventing the flu each year

    Up to 2 weeks to take effect

    They can cause side effects, such as pain, redness, and swelling at the injection site

    some people may experience low grade fever, headaches, and muscle aches after the vaccine

    Guillain-Barré syndrome can develop rarely following a flu vaccine

    If someone falls into the at risk group they can by all means decide to protect themselves, isn't that how it works.

    1-2 cases per million and more likely to be triggered by the flu itself than than vaccine


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