How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

History Queen

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Where have they pulled that one out of, haven't seen a face cloth recommend anywhere, soap and water is the go to.

We've been told we have to check their tempature every morning, ordered 400 tips for the thermometer yesterday, reckon we need 25 a week as a fresh one for each child to prevent passing an ear infection from one to the other.

I could be wrong but with the ziplock lunch is the idea that the teacher wouldn't have to help them open their lunch? My cousin is an infants teacher and usually has to help students open their lunch especially those click lock boxes that are popular now.

PCros

History Queen wrote: »

Absolutely agree with you here. This drip drip drip of important information is infuriating as well as being pointless as decisions have been made by schools in the absense of clear guidance.

Valid point.

The question I have is does a school have any autonomy at all? Like can they make their own decisions at all or do they need to wait for every word from the Department of Education?

Minier81

SusanC10 wrote: »

If a child does develop symptoms, do they not have to stay home and rest of family/household restrict movement until a Test result ?

Yes they should Susan. The household should restrict their movements until the result is in, ie assume you have it. The household will only be tested after a positive is confirmed though.
You would think this is common sense.... but for some reason a minority of people don't seem to grasp it

History Queen

PCros wrote: »

Valid point.

The question I have is does a school have any autonomy at all? Like can they make their own decisions at all or do they need to wait for every word from the Department of Education?

they have limited autonomy but realistically education policy, funding and staffing is all routed back to the Department

drunkmonkey

Boggles wrote: »

Well, why else would you be linking to well known fringe anti vax sites?

Who or what drew attention to it?

What are your on about, your doing some high level trolling cut it out your just making up stuff.

wirelessdude01

PCros wrote: »

Valid point.

The question I have is does a school have any autonomy at all? Like can they make their own decisions at all or do they need to wait for every word from the Department of Education?

Autonomy leads to the BS that was allowed happen in Carlow yesterday.

PCros

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Autonomy leads to the BS that was allowed happen in Carlow yesterday.

Yeah that is true, I guess that's the other extreme...

SusanC10

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Where have they pulled that one out of, haven't seen a face cloth recommend anywhere, soap and water is the go to.

We've been told we have to check their tempature every morning, ordered 400 tips for the thermometer yesterday, reckon we need 25 a week as a fresh one for each child to prevent passing an ear infection from one to the other.

I don't know. The Face Cloth must be kept in a Ziplock bag. Cloth (and bag?) to be changed every day. They have said that there will be no other way to dry hands.
Lunch Boxes allowed for Lunch.

SusanC10

Has anyone's Kids started back yet ?
Or any Teachers here had their first day with Kids in ?

drunkmonkey

SusanC10 wrote: »

I don't know. The Face Cloth must be kept in a Ziplock bag. Cloth (and bag?) to be changed every day. They have said that there will be no other way to dry hands.
Lunch Boxes allowed for Lunch.

Ok kinda makes sense as long as it's changed every day, for younger kids they really need supervisors in the toilet as it's a main area of spread.
I haven't heard any talk of how they intend to manage bathrooms.

Boggles

drunkmonkey wrote: »

https://aapsonline.org/mask-facts/

drunkmonkey wrote: »

What are your on about, your doing some high level trolling cut it out your just making up stuff.

It's quite simple.

The AAPS are a well know right wing anti vax loon site.

If you are not anti vax, why would you be linking to such an "organisation"?

Where did you find out about them or who gave you the link?

Was it Jim Corr?

drunkmonkey

Boggles wrote: »

It's quite simple.

The AAPS are a well know right wing anti vax loon site.

If you are not anti vax, why would you be linking to such an "organisation"?

Where did you find out about them or who gave you the link?

Was it Jim Corr?

Didn't realize they were, that link isn't anti mask, I'm not antiask, back to the good doctor you called a fringe loon I linked to in the same post. Can you rubbish his fact based data.
Give up the trolling you've offered nothing to the conversation but insults.

ShaShaBear

SusanC10 wrote: »

Has anyone's Kids started back yet ?
Or any Teachers here had their first day with Kids in ?

My post probably got lost in the back and forward, but my two girls started back this morning.

drunkmonkey

ShaShaBear wrote: »

My post probably got lost in the back and forward, but my two girls started back this morning.

Sorry about that I've just stuck them on my ignore list, can't see what they post from here on it so won't be back and forth feeding the troll, apologies if it took from all the other conversations that need some airtime.

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

You are clearly anti vax, anti mask and anti science. Completely echoing the mentally unwell Mr. Corr.

Please take all that nonsense and get up the fúcking yard, it's boring.

Don't agree with boggles = anti science?

An awful lot of what drunkmonkey says is objectionable, but ridiculing someone is not winning an argument

ELM327

Deleted User wrote: »

Don't agree with boggles = anti science?

An awful lot of what drunkmonkey says is objectionable, but ridiculing someone is not winning an argument

Normally I would agree but given the posting from drunkmonkey is clearly anti vax nonsense, in this instance the ridiculing is justified.

SusanC10

ShaShaBear wrote: »

My post probably got lost in the back and forward, but my two girls started back this morning.

Would be interested to know how they get on if you didn't mind updating later ?

ShaShaBear

SusanC10 wrote: »

Would be interested to know how they get on if you didn't mind updating later ?

Absolutely! I'm collecting the youngest at 12.30 and the older an hour later.

Drop-off was honestly very well done (but I will concede that this is a small school, at rural Ireland capacity even though it is in a town).
They had uniforms as normal, schoolbags as normal and lunchboxes as normal. Only difference this year to my eldest's first year just gone is that they had to take a special ziplok bag in with a glue stick, crayons, scissors, pencils and whiteboard markers which was to be labelled and left at the school. They have these little mini whiteboards that they use to practice their letters and words that are wiped down afterwards to save on paper and workbooks, but this year they've asked parents to supply the markers.

I'll speak to them both once they're collected to find out how they both got on and see if they have anything interesting to say.

And not to worry drunkmonkey - this is a very fast-paced thread with opinions coming from parents, grandparents, non-parents and teachers. I simply meant back and forward as a quick change from one page to the next with the amount of posts.

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

Don't agree with boggles = anti science?

An awful lot of what drunkmonkey says is objectionable, but ridiculing someone is not winning an argument

You think we should embrace anti vaxers?

Cool, you do that and I will not.

Also drunkmonkey is well able to speak for himself, he doesn't need a knight in shining justifying his nonsense.

GhostyMcGhost

Did anyone see this? As a parent, this actually upsets and angers me that a young child will be left in isolation in a ****ing shed.... Imagine how that would feel! If I had a child in that school, i'm sorry but I would not be one bit impressed. I'd be giving serious thought about sending them in

https://twitter.com/ciaranmullooly/status/1298539359445094400


Taken from https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2020/0826/1161376-isolation-school/

SusanC10

GhostyMcGhost wrote: »

Did anyone see this? As a parent, this actually upsets and angers me that a young child will be left in isolation in a ****ing shed.... Imagine how that would feel! If I had a child in that school, i'm sorry but I would not be one bit impressed. I'd be giving serious thought about sending them in

https://twitter.com/ciaranmullooly/status/1298539359445094400


Taken from https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2020/0826/1161376-isolation-school/

That is awful tbh. Surely they could find somewhere else ? Or are they making a point showing Rte this shed ?

Boggles

Nice, I imagine the 2 concrete blocks are a seat?

drunkmonkey

ELM327 wrote: »

Normally I would agree but given the posting from drunkmonkey is clearly anti vax nonsense, in this instance the ridiculing is justified.

Would you stop with this anti vaxx bull****, either put up a worth while counter point or say nothing.
If your calling people who are vaccinated, had their children get all the vaccinations anti vaxxers for rasing an eyebrow at the Health ministers plan to vaccinate 750,000 school children from the flu this year your going to have a lot of anti vaxxer parents if that's the bar your setting to qualify as an antivaxxer.

How f'n dare you ridicule me for questioning the logic or asking for evidence this is what I should do to my young kids.

ELM327

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Would you stop with this anti vaxx bull****, either put up a worth while counter point or say nothing.
If your calling people who are vaccinated, had their children get all the vaccinations anti vaxxers for rasing an eyebrow at the Health ministers plan to vaccinate 750,000 school children from the flu this year your going to have a lot of anti vaxxer parents if that's the bar your setting to qualify as an antivaxxer.

How f'n dare you ridicule me for questioning the logic or asking for evidence this is what I should do to my young kids.

This is antivax nonsense.
You are anti vax.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I don't want to start my young kids on a lifetime of flu jabs, I've 40ys on them and have never been advised to get a flu jab as I'm not in an at risk category. I've got the flu once in my life, I've built my own immune system and want my kids to do the same
I'm not an anti vaccerr I've had all my shots along with the kids but I think this is a knee jerk panicked reaction to save the hospitals campaign.
Why isn't it mandatory for health care workers ??

What's you estimate on the risk migration, I bet the government doesn't even know. Have they heard the flu has more or less been eridacted with no vaccine this year in a lot of the southern hemisphere. We're playing pass the dynamite with Government policy, people need to kick back, I really hope teachers call them to account.
If the covid measure in schools don't work for flu well then they don't work for Covid.

s1ippy

A cousin of mine on Facebook emailed Medmark about the appeals process.

He recently had an organ transplant and he has asthma.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3l-GTjOZdo

"There is absolutely an opportunity for a second review, or opportunity to look at their available medical evidence and again an adjudication will be made on that."

They replied:

As indicated by the Minister for Education last evening, there is no official appeals process but we will certainly be happy to review a case, particularily if you have any further medical information you wish to provide.

If you wish to submit further information for review, please feel free to do so.

What further evidence will convince them if reports from his consultant and GP about his current risk didn't?

Elliejo

Unfortunately schools can't just magic up space that doesn't exist. The child will be in isolation with an adult present. They will not be there on their own. I know it's so far from ideal that it is ludicrous. And nobody wants to think that their child will be the one in there. But, if a child does present with symptoms, and it's not your child, would you want them remaining in the classroom?

seamus

It's not ideal, but they're hardly going to be thrown in there to sit with a lawnmower and a load of rusty old tools.

It's a temporary space while the child waits to be collected, and they won't be left unattended.

I agree with the spirit of the issue that the school should have more support than this, but at the end of the day it is a safe and dry temporary location isolated from pupils and staff.

One airhole on Twitter calling it "psychological, physical and emotional abuse". Jesus wept.

ELM327

seamus wrote: »

It's not ideal, but they're hardly going to be thrown in there to sit with a lawnmower and a load of rusty old tools.

It's a temporary space while the child waits to be collected, and they won't be left unattended.

I agree with the spirit of the issue that the school should have more support than this, but at the end of the day it is a safe and dry temporary location isolated from pupils and staff.

One airhole on Twitter calling it "psychological, physical and emotional abuse". Jesus wept.

Agree. The important thing is to isolate them from the rest of the school population to avoid spread.

smellyoldboot

Elliejo wrote: »

Unfortunately schools can't just magic up space that doesn't exist. The child will be in isolation with an adult present. They will not be there on their own. I know it's so far from ideal that it is ludicrous. And nobody wants to think that their child will be the one in there. But, if a child does present with symptoms, and it's not your child, would you want them remaining in the classroom?

Had a chat with my daughter about this earlier as she was worried about isolation and basically my logic was this: There's very little risk of you going into isolation if we are paying attention to you properly. The kids that will go in there it is probably necessary because they have symptoms and their parents sent them in anyway.

And that's the long and short of it. We won't need isolation rooms if parents do their job and watch their own children for symptoms and don't send them to school sick.

ELM327

smellyoldboot wrote: »

Had a chat with my daughter about this earlier as she was worried about isolation and basically my logic was this: There's very little risk of you going into isolation if we are paying attention to you properly. The kids that will go in there it is probably necessary because they have symptoms and their parents sent them in anyway.

And that's the long and short of it. We won't need isolation rooms if parents do their job and watch their own children for symptoms and don't send them to school sick.

Absolutely.
At the end of the day a quick temp check and look over for symptoms before leaving for school is not a major inconvenience.