Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

owlbethere · 26-08-2020 10:20AM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

This is always worth posting, without any context, because many will enjoy it that haven't seen it, and others will complain that it's been posted enough already cos they don't like the message. Win all round

In it they are saying that flu is now killing 6 times more people than Covid in the UK. But that is before flu season, so just an observation they are making. But it's something to consider.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHqz-Wk3hus

Surely with public health measures that's in place and the increased hygiene from a sizable portion of the population, viral infections should be down? They are failing at something if people are dying 6 times more than covid especially at this point in the year. We are still in early Autumn.

Sconsey · 26-08-2020 10:27AM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Here's something to support what he says. Yes, the 6 times more is disputed as that number of deaths mention flu etc on the certificates but possibly aren't the definite cause, but in relation to your request that he support that there are more cases of the flu (in UK anyway):

Several newspapers, magazines and broadcasters—including the Sun, the Mirror, the Mail, the Week, the Spectator, the Times and talkRADIO—as well as some social media accounts, have claimed that influenza (flu), or “influenza and pneumonia” is now causing more deaths than Covid-19 in the UK.

This is a misunderstanding of figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS), which counts deaths in England and Wales.

These figures show the number of deaths where influenza, pneumonia or Covid-19 are mentioned on the death certificate, not those where they were listed as the underlying cause of death. This makes it misleading to say that these are cases where people necessarily died “of” the disease, or were “killed by” it, because in many cases influenza and pneumonia are only mentioned as factors in a death where the underlying cause was something else.

We don’t know exactly how many people are dying of flu at the moment—meaning that “flu” is the underlying cause—but it is almost certainly far fewer than these reports suggest.

With pneumonia included, the total number of people dying of pneumonia or flu is probably higher than the number dying of Covid-19 at the moment, but not by the margin that these headlines suggest.

https://fullfact.org/health/flu-covid-deaths/

WTF? the headline conclusion on the site you just linked says, when responding to the claim that flu is currently killing more people than Covid:

There isn’t evidence for this. Although we don’t have detailed data on recent deaths, there are almost certainly fewer deaths where flu is identified as the underlying cause compared to Covid-19

Surely this points to the earlier poster not having any evidence or data to support their 'flu is killing more ' claim?

WoollyRedHat · 26-08-2020 10:31AM

Some good news:

Rates of transmission are easing in many parts of the world, according to the WHO, as reported in the Guardian, noting that fatality and infection rates were easing in most regions, notably in the hard-hit Americas. In the US, it is pointed out this was likely to be a result of uptake in mask wearing but also lag on testing being seen as a contributory factor-https://www.ksat.com/health/2020/08/25/new-virus-cases-decline-in-the-us-and-experts-credit-masks/

Also, measures to counter Covid-19 have dramatically slowed the spread of influenza in the southern hemisphere, according to the Associated Press. SH countries are currently experiencing their winter. Report goes on to point out that this does not mean outcome will necessarily be mirrored in NH and that large uptake of flu vaccine will be important as countries from NH go into the Autumn period.

drunkmonkey · 26-08-2020 10:34AM

owlbethere wrote: »

Surely with public health measures that's in place and the increased hygiene from a sizable portion of the population, viral infections should be down? They are failing at something if people are dying 6 times more than covid especially at this point in the year. We are still in early Autumn.

Did he say dying? I thought he said presenting with.

Sconsey · 26-08-2020 10:38AM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Some good news:

Rates of transmission are easing in many parts of the world, according to the WHO, as reported in the Guardian, noting that fatality and infection rates were easing in most regions, notably in the hard-hit Americas.

Also, measures to counter Covid-19 have dramatically slowed the spread of influenza in the southern hemisphere, according to the Associated Press. SH countries are currently experiencing their winter. Report goes on to point out that this does not mean outcome will necessarily be mirrored in NH and that large uptake of flu vaccine will be important as countries from NH go into the Autumn period.

It is good news and hopefully this is a trend that continues. The one that confuses me is Australia, granted the overall numbers are very low, but they seem to have a higher death rate now than in April/May.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/

They don't seem to be following the pattern for some reason.

podgeandrodge · 26-08-2020 10:38AM

Sconsey wrote: »

WTF? the headline conclusion on the site you just linked says, when responding to the claim that flu is currently killing more people than Covid:

There isn’t evidence for this. Although we don’t have detailed data on recent deaths, there are almost certainly fewer deaths where flu is identified as the underlying cause compared to Covid-19

Surely this points to the earlier poster not having any evidence or data to support their 'flu is killing more ' claim?

Yeah, guess I was relying on "With pneumonia included, the total number of people dying of pneumonia or flu is probably higher than the number dying of Covid-19 at the moment". Perhaps I am misinterpreting.

What Username Guidelines · 26-08-2020 10:40AM

https://twitter.com/ConorKane0909/status/1298555389701742592?s=20

owlbethere · 26-08-2020 10:41AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Did he say dying? I thought he said presenting with.

Podge said it - flu killing 6 times more people than covid in the UK.

There it is - screenshot.

Surely the public health measures and increased hygiene and social distancing will curb the spread of other viral infections? What are they doing wrong if flu is killing 6 times more people than covid?

seamus · 26-08-2020 10:41AM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Some good news:

Rates of transmission are easing in many parts of the world, according to the WHO, as reported in the Guardian, noting that fatality and infection rates were easing in most regions, notably in the hard-hit Americas.

Yep. Case numbers worldwide are on a (really slow) downward trend. Deaths likewise.

The trend is quite shallow though, so it's not time for celebration or complacency. We could be past a false peak and see an even worse surge in 3-4 months time.

But IF (big, big if) case numbers have a roughly bell curve distribution, and we at the peak, then we could see them tailing off by January/February next year with total cases & deaths around 50 million and 2 million respectively.

caveat emptor · 26-08-2020 11:01AM

There is a man on CB and he is describing his long covid. He was essentially asymptomatic just a bit tired for 3 days.
He's got inflammation of the heart as he's been to several doctors. Covid only thing that could have done it.

Although the news about hospitalisation rates is low there is still issues around morbidity.
This is the big unknown and why we can't let this rip through the population.

https://twitter.com/edyong209/status/1296060039971692545?s=20

Str8outtaWuhan · 26-08-2020 11:02AM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ConorKane0909/status/1298555389701742592?s=20

how the hell is Tipp not closed down, are numbers there not pretty high per 100000?

26-08-2020 11:02AM

Boggles wrote: »

So your claim was based on what exactly?

We will deal with your assertion that Covid has been dealt with and Flu has taken over first before we crack into that nut.

If that is okay with you.

Let's start with the fact that you are putting words in my mouth and being intentionally confrontational while ignoring my comments. I've explained my comments as best I can theres nothing more I can do to help you understand.

stephenjmcd · 26-08-2020 11:05AM

Gerry Killeen is back predicting 1,000 cases a day soon.

The usual stuff from him, close schools, restaurants, cinemas etc.

Lockdown again etc etc.

26-08-2020 11:05AM

Sconsey wrote: »

WTF? the headline conclusion on the site you just linked says, when responding to the claim that flu is currently killing more people than Covid:

There isn’t evidence for this. Although we don’t have detailed data on recent deaths, there are almost certainly fewer deaths where flu is identified as the underlying cause compared to Covid-19

Surely this points to the earlier poster not having any evidence or data to support their 'flu is killing more ' claim?

its not difficult to have more deaths than zero. There are many many things more deadly than covid-19 in Ireland right now.

Micky 32 · 26-08-2020 11:06AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

There is a man on CB and he is describing his long covid. He was essentially asymptomatic just a bit tired for 3 days.
He's got inflammation of the heart as he's been to several doctors. Covid only thing that could have done it.

Although the news about hospitalisation rates is low there is still issues around morbidity.
This is the big unknown and why we can't let this rip through the population.

https://twitter.com/edyong209/status/1296060039971692545?s=20

You must do nothing but scour the internet for these stories. But if it makes you feel good and gives you some drama feel free.

Btw my mother was recently diagnosed with heart failure. No, she didn’t have Covid.

podgeandrodge · 26-08-2020 11:11AM

owlbethere wrote: »

Podge said it - flu killing 6 times more people than covid in the UK.

There it is - screenshot.

Surely the public health measures and increased hygiene and social distancing will curb the spread of other viral infections? What are they doing wrong if flu is killing 6 times more people than covid?

I just repeated it

The TV presenter, at 13 seconds in, states that flu is killing 6 times more. I don't know anymore!

PCros · 26-08-2020 11:13AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Gerry Killeen is back predicting 1,000 cases a day soon.

The usual stuff from him, close schools, restaurants, cinemas etc.

Lockdown again etc etc.

Sure look its the first time and probably the last time people like him will ever be in the spotlight so they have to say things like that so they'll make the papers.

Sam McConkey with his 100k deaths was another one.

bb1234567 · 26-08-2020 11:14AM

Sconsey wrote: »

It is good news and hopefully this is a trend that continues. The one that confuses me is Australia, granted the overall numbers are very low, but they seem to have a higher death rate now than in April/May.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/

They don't seem to be following the pattern for some reason.

A lot of Melbourne nursing homes had outbreaks I think

Stheno · 26-08-2020 11:16AM

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/26/obesity-increases-risk-of-covid-19-death-by-48-study-finds

Obesity increases risk of Covid death by 50%

Findings from this study are quite shocking

iebamm2580 · 26-08-2020 11:22AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Gerry Killeen is back predicting 1,000 cases a day soon.

The usual stuff from him, close schools, restaurants, cinemas etc.

Lockdown again etc etc.

Gerry's trying to stay in the limelight with his doomsday scenarios, hes comparing this pandemic to other diseases which he says he has helped kill off, it has been shown that this disease is way more infectious than any other recent epidemics so hes talking out of his arse essentially, it is not possible to kill this thing off with such an interconnected world, learnt to live with it and people at risk take extra precautions, simple as that until anti-viral or vaccine come.

GooglePlus · 26-08-2020 11:23AM

Stheno wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/26/obesity-increases-risk-of-covid-19-death-by-48-study-finds

Obesity increases risk of Covid death by 50%

Findings from this study are quite shocking

So still quite a small chance of dying then?

yourdeadwright · 26-08-2020 11:24AM

So there is
164 cases of em..... beer in my shed
I bought 93in Dublin,22 in Kildare (obviously be for it was locked down) , 13 in Carlow, 10 in Tipp

Ohh sorry wrong thread I thoguht this was the beer apprication thread

froog · 26-08-2020 11:30AM

Wow dublin beer problem is getting bad.

billybonkers · 26-08-2020 11:31AM

Updated guidance release by Failte Ireland

https://failtecdn.azureedge.net/failteireland/Guidelines-for-Re-opening-Hotels-and-Guesthouses.pdf

Boggles · 26-08-2020 11:36AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Let's start with the fact that you are putting words in my mouth

They were your words, as in I directly quoted you.

Deleted User wrote: »

and being intentionally confrontational while ignoring my comments. I've explained my comments as best I can theres nothing more I can do to help you understand.

So you made a bunch of stuff up and now you are throwing your toys out of the pram because you called on it.

Fair enough. As you were.

WoollyRedHat · 26-08-2020 11:37AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

So there is
164 cases of em..... beer in my shed
I bought 93in Dublin,22 in Kildare (obviously be for it was locked down) , 13 in Carlow, 10 in Tipp

Ohh sorry wrong thread I thoguht this was the beer apprication thread

images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcTYQ_oazBS8tnLNDE9mhCX-z2lRXNLpMXOwYQ&usqp=CAU

owlbethere · 26-08-2020 11:37AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

There is a man on CB and he is describing his long covid. He was essentially asymptomatic just a bit tired for 3 days.
He's got inflammation of the heart as he's been to several doctors. Covid only thing that could have done it.

Although the news about hospitalisation rates is low there is still issues around morbidity.
This is the big unknown and why we can't let this rip through the population.

https://twitter.com/edyong209/status/1296060039971692545?s=20

How can some people read this and still maintain covid is just a little cough or cold.

26-08-2020 11:40AM

owlbethere wrote: »

How can some people read this and still maintain covid is just a little cough or cold.

Because all logical stats back it up.

1 story doesn't change things. 1000 bad stories doesn't change things when we've had over 20M affected.

Gruffalux · 26-08-2020 11:42AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

So there is
164 cases of em..... beer in my shed
I bought 93in Dublin,22 in Kildare (obviously be for it was locked down) , 13 in Carlow, 10 in Tipp

Ohh sorry wrong thread I thoguht this was the beer apprication thread

164 cases of beer is quite a few considering people a couple of weeks ago were saying that once the beer in Kildare etc was drank we would be back down in the lower amounts of beer generally.

TonyMaloney · 26-08-2020 11:43AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Because all logical stats back it up.

1 story doesn't change things. 1000 bad stories doesn't change things when we've had over 20M affected.

There are no stats available on prolonged effects of covid.

All we have is mountains of anecdotal evidence. Why are you dismissing it all though?
Strange behaviour

Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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