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Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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  • #1322
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    prunudo wrote: »
    What a time to be a investigative journalist.

    Id image there will be hype in the first few days and then again when the first school gets a case. It will be like when woodies or macdonalds reopened, big frenzy but then it just became normal.

    Yup couple of days nothing will happen and it will die down then a cluster and a smaller article in paper and maybe second or third report on news and then back to normal with a one liner if anymore occur.


  • #1323
    mirrorwall14
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,751 ✭✭✭mirrorwall14


    khalessi wrote: »
    Then discovering that Johnny was given calpol before coming to school

    Investigative jounalists will have a ball.

    But sure in reality the HSE inform close contacts so it remains to see what they dub a close contact. Even if a teacher is suspected of having it or being a close contact they have to leave the buildings without telling rest of staff apparently/ allegedly.

    Where is that coming from? (Teacher and no one told me)


  • #1324
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    mirrorwall14 wrote: »
    Where is that coming from? (Teacher and no one told me)

    HSE guidelines and back to school guidelines will see can I find it later as on way out door in few minutes


  • #1325
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    What to understand how and why schools opening is risky, it's about networks.
    We are about to explode the number of close contacts per family albeit in a "controlled" environment.

    With doing everything we've done so far we are still witnessing linear growth (most countries).
    That might change or it might not. As more become infected it should taper off.

    https://twitter.com/sfiscience/status/1298366829295857664?s=20


  • #1326
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,049 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    What to understand how and why schools opening is risky, it's about networks.
    We are about to explode the number of close contacts per family albeit in a "controlled" environment.

    With doing everything we've done so far we are still witnessing linear growth (most countries).
    That might change or it might not. As more become infected it should taper off.

    https://twitter.com/sfiscience/status/1298366829295857664?s=20

    We're not seeing growth in hospitalisations or ICU admissions, that's what we need to keep an eye on.
    I wonder are we seeing the same as the UK now that it's the flu is now more prevelant than covid?


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  • #1327
    [Deleted User]
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    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    We're not seeing growth in hospitalisations or ICU admissions, that's what we need to keep an eye on.
    I wonder are we seeing the same as the UK now that it's the flu is now more prevelant than covid?

    Thats what really puts it into perspective. Will we get daily briefings on the cases of flu? Will we have lockdowns with clusters of flu? Not to mention what happens when we have more deaths from flu than we do covid.


  • #1328
    Boggles
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Thats what really puts it into perspective. Will we get daily briefings on the cases of flu? Will we have lockdowns with clusters of flu? Not to mention what happens when we have more deaths from flu than we do covid.

    So we have gone from "It's just a flu bro".

    To

    "It's not even as bad as flu bro"

    I wonder what Darwin would be musing watching this.


  • #1329
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,049 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Boggles wrote: »
    So we have gone from "It's just a flu bro".

    To

    "It's not even as bad as flu bro"

    I wonder what Darwin would be musing watching this.

    It's become endemic, it's not the only show in town now. We need to move on and out of this climate of fear the media here have created.
    Keep your distance, wash your hands regularly, carry on as normal otherwise, take off the tin foil hat.


  • #1330
    [Deleted User]
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    Boggles wrote: »
    So we have gone from "It's just a flu bro".

    To

    "It's not even as bad as flu bro"

    I wonder what Darwin would be musing watching this.
    Its funny you mention Darwin because ultimately it will be natural selection that takes care 9f this, not human intervention.

    I'm not suggesting its not as bad as flu. I'm saying lockdown, social distancing etc has worked and we are now at a stage where we have more cases of the flu and soon we will see more deaths caused by the flu. My point is at what point does this stop becoming news worthy.

    You'd know that if you bothered to read my posts instead of latching onto a comment misinterpreting what I'm saying and jumping to conclusions based on your own pre disposed bias towards anyone who criticised the main stream must be a trump supporter.


  • #1331
    Jim_Hodge
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Its funny you mention Darwin because ultimately it will be natural selection that takes care 9f this, not human intervention.

    Sweet ****, another one who doesn't understand what Natural Selection actually means!


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  • #1332
    Polar101
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'm not suggesting its not as bad as flu. I'm saying lockdown, social distancing etc has worked and we are now at a stage where we have more cases of the flu and soon we will see more deaths caused by the flu. My point is at what point does this stop becoming news worthy.

    We have six times more cases now than in July. Flu season is yet to hit us. If you don't believe the ongoing pandemic is newsworthy, you're entitled to your opinion. But you might need to provide more facts for everyone to accept it.


  • #1333
    GooglePlus
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    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Sweet ****, another one who doesn't understand what Natural Selection actually means!

    Well he's not wrong if a more contagious and less deadly strain takes over in the place of the deadly one.


  • #1334
    drunkmonkey
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    Polar101 wrote: »
    We have six times more cases now than in July. Flu season is yet to hit us. If you don't believe the ongoing pandemic is newsworthy, you're entitled to your opinion. But you might need to provide more facts for everyone to accept it.

    We don't have 6 times hospital admissions or deaths, they haven't materialised. A clear message is needed from Government, keep your distance, wash your hands. That's it, that's all that needs to happen now, open everywhere, stay cautious.


  • #1335
    Boggles
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'm not suggesting its not as bad as flu. I'm saying lockdown, social distancing etc has worked and we are now at a stage where we have more cases of the flu

    Have we?

    Link when you are ready please.


  • #1336
    Le Bruise
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    If that's the case, it is not any kind of example of how effective a vaccine is. It's kind of like when Lisa sells Moe the anti-bear rock.

    Not to be a pedantic Peter, but I think it was tigers the rock kept away and it was homer who bought it.....point still stands though!!:)


  • #1337
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,965 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Polar101 wrote: »
    We have six times more cases now than in July. Flu season is yet to hit us. If you don't believe the ongoing pandemic is newsworthy, you're entitled to your opinion. But you might need to provide more facts for everyone to accept it.
    Why would I need to provide facts when I am asking a question? I'm not stating facts, I'm asking the question at what point does thus stop becoming news worthy.


  • #1338
    mean gene
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    cases today 85 will I be dead right


  • #1339
    drunkmonkey
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Why would I need to provide facts when I am asking a question? I'm not stating facts, I'm asking the question at what point does thus stop becoming news worthy.

    Your correct if we look at the UK, as we don't have the data for Ireland we have to assume it's similar that other respiratory problems have become more of a problem now.
    The people rubbishing your point need to provider Irish data as you can base your assumption on the UK their basing their opinion on nothing.


  • #1340
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    s1ippy wrote: »
    Some thick people on this thread refusing to get a flu jab and claiming they're not anti-vax

    You're a risk to the vulnerable in society. It's just like with covid, if you are infected it might not harm you but it could kill somebody else.

    Stop being so selfish and spend ten quid or whatever it is, it takes about fifteen minutes out of your entire year.

    And here we go. It's moved from Covid-19 to the Flu. What will you want added next to the list of things we will all have to do to protect your vulnerable?


  • #1341
    darjeeling
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    speckle wrote: »
    well(a bit earlier than usual) I have posted over the last nights here a spanish then french frontline ICU consultant and directors recent take now time for a frontline intensive care doctor from the UK on the present sutuation as they see it regarding the rise in positive cases but low ICU numbers
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_BHZCYAAsY

    Hospital admissions, ICU admissions and deaths have all been increasing exponentially in Spain over the last few weeks. The situation is nowhere near as bad as it was in March and April, but the authorities are concerned about the rising trends.

    Unlike in other western European countries, the 2nd wave in Spain has spread to older people, and I suspect this is what is driving the increase in hospital admissions (ECDC stats link).

    Two days ago El Pais published this extended English-language analysis of the August data:
    https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-08-24/what-do-the-coronavirus-data-from-august-tell-us-about-the-new-expansion-of-the-virus-in-spain.html


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  • #1342
    Boggles
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Why would I need to provide facts when I am asking a question? I'm not stating facts,

    That's for sure, but if you could provide evidence of your "claims" I'd appreciate it.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    we are now at a stage where we have more cases of the flu
    Deleted User wrote: »
    soon we will see more deaths caused by the flu.


  • #1343
    [Deleted User]
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    Polar101 wrote: »
    We have six times more cases now than in July.
    The fact is we are watching news briefings reporting on the number of people with a virus who for the vast majority of them (and on many of those days 100% of cases reported) have symptoms no worse than a cough and/or had a slight fever for no longer than a day or night.

    Little to no hospital admissions. People at home sick with a cough. Seriously at what point does someone say this is it, this is as good as it gets now lets move on.


  • #1344
    [Deleted User]
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    Boggles wrote: »
    That's for sure, but if you could provide evidence of your "claims" I'd appreciate it.
    The facts are there for all to see. We're getting daily briefings on people with symptoms no worse than a cough and a fever. Yes people can die if they get it but it is an undeniable fact that those people are limited to people with underlying health conditions including old age. Can a very small minority of healthy people get really sick and die? Yea we know they can. **** happens, that's life.

    I dont mean to be insensitive to vulnerable people but they are more than capable of taking care of themselves and looking out for number one the majority of them should be OK. Some will rely on the care of others, eg care homes.

    This doesn't need to be the news headline anymore. Day after ****ing day.


  • #1345
    Boggles
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    The facts are there for all to see.

    Nice try.

    How about backing up the "facts" you were claiming.

    That more people currently have flu now and we will see more deaths from flu than Covid soon.

    When you are ready of course.

    Deleted User wrote: »
    we are now at a stage where we have more cases of the flu
    Deleted User wrote: »
    soon we will see more deaths caused by the flu.


  • #1346
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,965 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Boggles wrote: »
    Nice try.

    How about backing up the "facts" you were claiming.

    That more people currently have flu now and we will see more deaths from flu than Covid soon.

    When you are ready of course.

    As already pointed out we don't have that data. I was referring to the UK. But go ahead and tell me we are not the UK...

    My question still remains why is this still news worthy?


  • #1347
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    This is always worth posting, without any context, because many will enjoy it that haven't seen it, and others will complain that it's been posted enough already cos they don't like the message. Win all round :)

    In it they are saying that flu is now killing 6 times more people than Covid in the UK. But that is before flu season, so just an observation they are making. But it's something to consider.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHqz-Wk3hus


  • #1348
    Boggles
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    As already pointed out we don't have that data.

    So your claim was based on what exactly?

    Deleted User wrote: »
    My question still remains why is this still news worthy?

    We will deal with your assertion that Covid has been dealt with and Flu has taken over first before we crack into that nut.

    If that is okay with you.


  • #1349
    DebDynamite
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    prunudo wrote: »
    Depending on how the school openings go will dictate whether it stays top of headlines for the next six months or not.

    I would imagine it will be headline news when the first school case is announced


  • #1350
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,049 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Boggles wrote: »
    So your claim was based on what exactly?




    We will deal with your assertion that Covid has been dealt with and Flu has taken over first before we crack into that nut.

    If that is okay with you.

    Prove them wrong or stop trolling the evidence is there from the UK


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  • #1351
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'm saying lockdown, social distancing etc has worked and we are now at a stage where we have more cases of the flu and soon we will see more deaths caused by the flu.

    Boggles wrote: »
    Have we?

    Link when you are ready please.
    Boggles wrote: »
    How about backing up the "facts" you were claiming.
    That more people currently have flu now
    When you are ready of course.


    Here's something to support what he says. Yes, the 6 times more is disputed as that number of deaths mention flu etc on the certificates but possibly aren't the definite cause, but in relation to your request that he support that there are more cases of the flu (in UK anyway):

    Several newspapers, magazines and broadcasters—including the Sun, the Mirror, the Mail, the Week, the Spectator, the Times and talkRADIO—as well as some social media accounts, have claimed that influenza (flu), or “influenza and pneumonia” is now causing more deaths than Covid-19 in the UK.

    This is a misunderstanding of figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS), which counts deaths in England and Wales.

    These figures show the number of deaths where influenza, pneumonia or Covid-19 are mentioned on the death certificate, not those where they were listed as the underlying cause of death. This makes it misleading to say that these are cases where people necessarily died “of” the disease, or were “killed by” it, because in many cases influenza and pneumonia are only mentioned as factors in a death where the underlying cause was something else.

    We don’t know exactly how many people are dying of flu at the moment—meaning that “flu” is the underlying cause—but it is almost certainly far fewer than these reports suggest.

    With pneumonia included, the total number of people dying of pneumonia or flu is probably higher than the number dying of Covid-19 at the moment, but not by the margin that these headlines suggest.

    https://fullfact.org/health/flu-covid-deaths/


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