Is it just me or have SF vanished?

jm08 · 25-08-2020 01:12PM

Superfoods wrote: »

So? I don't get your point. If the event goes on every year who cares. Same if Sinn Fein want to go around having funerals let them off, nobody cares.

If it goes on and in breach of the guidelines risking people's lives then it is something to be discussed.

The point is that an oration is a big feature of republican funerals. You may have heard of Patrick Pearse's graveside oration at O'Donovan Rossa's funeral. This is even practised by Fine Gael and they have an annual commemoration down in West Cork every year.

From what I understand, Bobby Storey would have a similar standing in SF as Michael Collins has in Fine Gael.
A video of Michael Collins funeral. A lot of soldiers and clergy at it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbV_vEOcb9I

Fann Linn · 25-08-2020 01:25PM

Superfoods wrote: »

We are discussing the Sinn Fein funeral. Do you think it was correct in the middle of covid to head off to another country in breach of all guidelines, not adhere to guidelines in the country you visit for a funeral/rally?

No I don't. Same as Gda Horkan's funeral IMO. Both wrong.

I cannot be clearer.

gormdubhgorm · 25-08-2020 01:36PM

McMurphy wrote: »

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Just be clear I am against any one breaking covid19 regulations/guidelines no matter what you wish to call them.

But lets call a spade a spade and a shovel and shovel.
The bar of moral turpitude is extremely low in SF it is rare that there is accountability and real consequence from any actions.

SF know it and the demographic who vote for SF, either know it and are ignorant. Or they know it and do not care. It is amazing what can be let go and turned a blind eye to as long as it aids 'the struggle'. Plus I feel a lot of diehard SF supporters get a kick out of it because anything goes in SF. Meanwhile other parties have to behave like proper political parties, because most voters have a certain sense of morality and decency.

SF's barometer of morality has been twisted and warped so much that they know no other way. Plus the SF leadership (either elected/unelected) have become desensitised on what human decency is, and give no accountability for any lack of it.

It is easy to play to the gallery to the working class votes (low hanging fruit). However the middle ground will never move towards SF until such a culture is changed. There must be accountability, transparency and work towards public benefit and the national interest. You only have to look at SF's conflict with the SCC v thier own past, to see they have a long long way to go.

McMurphy · 25-08-2020 01:39PM

blackwhite wrote: »

And again - the goalposts shifting when you can't make an honest point. You're really letting the mask slip there.

What goalposts have been shifted? I repeat - we have been discussing Social distance guidlines being flouted for days now, no-one mentioned travel restrictions since I had to point out to Blanch on another thread that travel restrictions for the SF funeral were lifted the day before the funeral took place.

I'm sure you can point to the post where I mentioned social distancing guidelines.

Its not all about you, the comparison has been made about selfies, and social ditancing being ignored at the shnner funeral (they dropped the travel restrictions being ignored when it was pointed out to them that they were lifted for Storeys funeral) - you've not been keeping abreast with the thread, or else are tryong to change the narrative.

Both Garda Horkan's funeral and Bobby Storey's funeral appear to have various instances of social distancing being broken.

Well done, isn't that what I and others have been going on about for days?

Which brings us back full circle, do you think Ring/Flannagan should resign/sacked for flouting the same guidelines as shinners?

In addition to that - SF organised a political rally as an interlude to interupt the funeral - that further pissed all over both the guidelines in place at the time and the regulations in force as well. They just lied and tried to claim that the political rally was really part of the funeral to try and find a loophole (just like the hotel in Clifden tried to do with their partitions in the room).

Yet we still get the same SF footsoldiers trying to pretend that holding a political rally half-way through a funeral was the exact same as what happened in Charlestown.

Defend the cult to the end the McM - weren't you on a the Clifden threads throwing insinuations about people's post history showing their agendas? Pot, kettle, black there if ever there was.

Waffle, irrelevant Waffle.

Its like being "a little bit pregnant" tell the virus all about rallies at funerals, it doesn't give a shyt.

Kudos for at least admitting FG broke the same guidelines the shinners have been (rightfully) given out for flouting.

I have to deduct some for not letting me know whether charlie/ring should resign or be fired though.

Not all bad, but no pass either I'm afraid.

blackwhite · 25-08-2020 01:53PM

McMurphy wrote: »

What goalposts have been shifted? I repeat - we have been discussing Social distance guidlines being flouted for days now, no-one mentioned travel restrictions since I had to point out to Blanch on another thread that travel restrictions for the SF funeral were lifted the day before the funeral took place.

Its not all about you, the comparison has been made about selfies, and social ditancing being ignored at the shnner funeral (they dropped the travel restrictions being ignored when it was pointed out to them that they were lifted for Storeys funeral) - you've not been keeping abreast with the thread, or else are tryong to change the narrative.

Well done, isn't that what I and others have been going on about for days?

Which brings us back full circle, do you think Ring/Flannagan should resign/sacked for flouting the same guidelines as shinners?

Waffle, irrelevant Waffle.

Its like being "a little bit pregnant" tell the virus all about rallies at funerals, it doesn't give a shyt.

Kudos for at least admitting FG broke the same guidelines the shinners have been (rightfully) given out for flouting.

I have to deduct some for not letting me know whether charlie/ring should resign or be fired though.

Not all bad, but no pass either I'm afraid.

Keep deflecting McM - shows that's all there is to you. The ground must be badly cut up from all the dragging the posts around.

Did FG arrange Garda Horkan's funeral?

Did FG arrange a detour in the middle of the funeral to hold a political rally, and extend the time that all those people were gathered for?

Did they decide to bus in activists from around the country to bump up the numbers at their rally?

So far all you've managed to show is that Ring and Flanagan attended the funeral, if you can show evidence of either of them personally breaching the guidelines like dear old MON did then please have at it. Like I've said, there's no evidence of MLMD personally breaching the guidelines during the funeral itself either. Even if she might have to take responsibility for bringing the busloads in from the 4 corners of Ireland and for extending the time that the large crowds were gathered by deciding to hold a rally.

Superfoods · 25-08-2020 01:54PM

I based on the thread we are saying that Sinn Fein going to a funeral and ignoring all guidelines in both countries is not an issue because they are Sinn Fein?

Superfoods · 25-08-2020 01:58PM

jm08 wrote: »

The point is that an oration is a big feature of republican funerals. You may have heard of Patrick Pearse's graveside oration at O'Donovan Rossa's funeral. This is even practised by Fine Gael and they have an annual commemoration down in West Cork every year.

From what I understand, Bobby Storey would have a similar standing in SF as Michael Collins has in Fine Gael.
A video of Michael Collins funeral. A lot of soldiers and clergy at it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbV_vEOcb9I

Did Ireland have an outbreak of Covid at Michael Collins funeral? no

Bobby Storey was no Michael Collins and its an awful insult to put the in the same sentance to be honest. But that is a different matter.

The fact is the funernal happened during a lock down or during guidelines not to travel etc. So Sinn Fein should not have attended. If they wanted to attend then Michelle who is the representative in the North should have attended alone to pass on Sinn Fein condolences,.

Anything else is wrong and should have been stopped by Mary Lou. Not have Mary Lou standing with all of them breaking the guidelines. It is terrible leadership no matter what angle you try to put it. She is the one saying she want to lead Ireland, will she lead it as long as it suits her?

Fann Linn · 25-08-2020 02:06PM

Superfoods wrote: »

I based on the thread we are saying that Sinn Fein going to a funeral and ignoring all guidelines in both countries is not an issue because they are Sinn Fein?

You are correct. It's not an issue except here on boards. The main item on the agenda is this farce of a govt and their golfing buddies. Wall to wall on all media forms from ink to sound.

McMurphy · 25-08-2020 02:06PM

For a lad accusing me of "deflecting" the irony here is hilarious, first you tried to pretend we were all comparing who broke travel restrictions, when pointed out you were twisting, you now want to change the narrative as to "did FG organise the funeral" - this is a new line being spun, we are and have been discussing guidelines being flouted/breached by mourner's at two funerals - including politicians - and comparing why some think some should be fired or step down for same, but others shouldn't. ( You also tried to get a personal dig in - insinuating I was abusing travel restrictions because of my job, a new low btw)

Covid 19 doesn't know or care who "organised anything" because covid 19 just wants to infect hosts and spread to new ones. Jesus.

Moving on.

blackwhite wrote: »

So far all you've managed to show is that Ring and Flanagan attended the funeral, if you can show evidence of either of them personally breaching the guidelines like dear old MON did then please have at it. Like I've said, there's no evidence of MLMD personally breaching the guidelines during the funeral itself either. Even if she might have to take responsibility for bringing the busloads in from the 4 corners of Ireland and for extending the time that the large crowds were gathered by deciding to hold a rally.

You were given a photo where they are just short of cuddling and holding hands, what other evidence would you like?

Superfoods wrote: »

I based on the thread we are saying that Sinn Fein going to a funeral and ignoring all guidelines in both countries is not an issue because they are Sinn Fein?

No, you've clearly not being paying attention, many agreed that Sinn Fein members were wrong to flout social distancing guidelines, but so too were mourners (including Ring/Flanagan) at Garda Horkans funeral. It's just some people cannot or will not explain or give any rationale as to why they think only one set of politicians need to be sacked or resign over it.

It's not that hard to understand, unless you're purposely choosing not to.

Superfoods · 25-08-2020 02:11PM

McMurphy wrote: »

No, you've clearly not being paying attention, many agreed that Sinn Fein members were wrong to flout social distancing guidelines, but so too were mourners (including Ring/Flanagan) at Garda Horkans funeral. It's just some people cannot or will not explain or give any rationale as to why they think only one set of politicians need to be sacked or resign over it.

It's not that hard to understand, unless you're purposely choosing not to.

Is it really a case of you done it so we can as well?

I thought Sinn Fein wanted to change politics. This is just back to tit for tat which has gone on for years. Its no change at all. Same bulls**t new party.

If Sinn Fein did want change they would never have attended and then they would rightly point the finger at the current government and call for them to be thrown out. At the moment from my point of view they are not any better than the current government so why bother spending 50-100 million to swap?

Chiparus · 25-08-2020 02:16PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I must say I am no supporter of FF but as it states in the article it is clearly an attempt to raise controversy and reads very 'tabloidish' in nature. Plus Martin has detailed how he gave substantive answers, plus evidence in a tribunal. I can understand why a SF supporter would salivate over it though. Deflects real attention on SF and plays to the demographic.

I have no doubt you are not a supporter of FF and are probably a hard core shinner.

Not sure he gave substantive answers- a property developer gave him money to keep and he hid it in his wifes bank account.
When he was found out - it was a "political donation " - helps avoid taxing questions if you know what I mean.

Here is more of the substantive answers , (if by substantive, you mean evasive).

https://villagemagazine.ie/micheal-martin-evasive-and-misleading-in-2020/

McMurphy · 25-08-2020 02:19PM

Superfoods wrote: »

Is it really a case of you done it so we can as well?

I thought Sinn Fein wanted to change politics. This is just back to tit for tat which has gone on for years. Its no change at all. Same bulls**t new party.

If Sinn Fein did want change they would never have attended and then they would rightly point the finger at the current government and call for them to be thrown out. At the moment from my point of view they are not any better than the current government so why bother spending 50-100 million to swap?

So first you though it was just people thought "Sinn Fein breaking rules is not an issue" and when that got blown away, it's straight back up, and carry-on with a different approach?

Can you pick a stance and try and stick with it, the room surely must be spinning at this stage too?

markodaly · 25-08-2020 02:19PM

jm08 wrote: »

From what I understand, Bobby Storey would have a similar standing in SF as Michael Collins has in Fine Gael.

Did Michael Collins rob a bank as pension money for the lads?
Did Michael Collins routinely abuse and threaten women (it's on record that Bobby Storey did this)
Did Michael Collins openly threaten journalists?
Did Michael Collins engage in smuggling and laundering deiseal?

However, you may be right. Bobby may be seen as a great man, from within SF... but that says ALOT about SF when a common criminal and thug is revered as much as Collins.

Superfoods · 25-08-2020 02:19PM

Chiparus wrote: »

It looked a lot more than 200.

I would guestimate somewhere between 500 and 1000.

https://lime.link/blog/visualizing-crowd-sizes/

When was a couple of hundred people only 200?

Any photos I seen it wasn't within a arses roar of 1000 people. Max 500 people.

Fann Linn · 25-08-2020 02:23PM

Superfoods wrote: »

When was a couple of hundred people only 200?

Any photos I seen it wasn't within a arses roar of 1000 people. Max 500 people.

Two's a couple?

Chiparus · 25-08-2020 02:23PM

Superfoods wrote: »

When was a couple of hundred people only 200?

Any photos I seen it wasn't within a arses roar of 1000 people. Max 500 people.

A couple of meaning two, ie a couple of hundred , meaning 200.

Fann Linn · 25-08-2020 02:24PM

Chiparus wrote: »

A couple of meaning two, ie a couple of hundred , meaning 200.

Junior infants not back yet by the looks of things.

blackwhite · 25-08-2020 02:26PM

McMurphy wrote: »

You were given a photo where they are just short of cuddling and holding hands, what other evidence would you like?

There’s a picture of them walking alongside each other. You can’t even be honest about that then what hope is there from anything else in your posts?

You’ve made loads of claims about what I’ve posted or “pretended” - but produced f*ck all quotes to back it up.
All you seem capable of is lying about what I’ve posted, and strawmanning to suit your usual agenda. Transparent as ever

McMurphy · 25-08-2020 02:28PM

Superfoods wrote: »

When was a couple of hundred people only 200?

Any photos I seen it wasn't within a arses roar of 1000 people. Max 500 people.

You think when the priest blesses the newly wed couple he's referring to 5, 6 or maybe 8 people?

McMurphy · 25-08-2020 02:37PM

blackwhite wrote: »

There’s a picture of them walking alongside each other. You can’t even be honest about that then what hope is there from anything else in your posts?

ah, a new angle I see. They don't look like they're walking to me, they look like they're stationary tbh, but that's irrelevant anyway, because whether they're walking, kissing or doing the Fandango - if they're not more than 2m apart - they're not social distancing. It's like the little bit pregnant we discussed earlier.

You’ve made loads of claims about what I’ve posted or “pretended” - but produced f*ck all quotes to back it up.
All you seem capable of is lying about what I’ve posted, and strawmanning to suit your usual agenda. Transparent as ever

List them please.

Chiparus · 25-08-2020 02:37PM

McMurphy wrote: »

You think when the priest blesses the newly wed couple he's referring to 5, 6 or maybe 8 people?

Phil Hogan left quarantine only a couple of times .

blanch152 · 25-08-2020 02:44PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

When are you going to accept that what is being investigated is a 'breach of guidelines'.

What happened in Clifden is the breaking of rules and the breaking of quarantine restrictions that have fines and imprisonment as penalties...BECAUSE they are more serious than 'breaches'.

SF have been criticised by me and everyone else and have accepted themselves they breached the guidleines. The PSNI is investigating to see if any laws were broken.

What regulations did the people attending the function break? As opposed to the hotel that hosted the function and is responsible for adhering to the regulations?

If someone wanted to be as pedantic as you and others they could point out that distinction, that not a single person attending broke any actual regulation, and that they were only in breach of guidelines.

However, I haven't seen, and I won't see, a single poster defend Calleary on the basis that he only broke guidelines rather than regulations, even though that is factually accurate, but we will see hordes of people who have never voted SF in their life but are considering doing so for the first time, or who have only just voted for them for the first time, go to considerable and fantastical lengths to defend lowly councillors from Monaghan who go to Lanzarote and politicians who attend political rallies to celebrate the life of a criminal thug.

blackwhite · 25-08-2020 02:46PM

McMurphy wrote: »

List them please.

McMurphy wrote: »

first you tried to pretend we were all comparing who broke travel restrictions

You posted asking was Charlie Flanagan from Mayo - I responded to that. I didn't "pretend" anything, but never let the truth stop you from strawmanning anyway

McMurphy wrote: »

Stopped reading after Clifden, you like many others want to keep comparing Clifden/Funeral instead of Funeral/Funeral.

My first mention of Clifden on this thread was responding to this doozie from your good self

McMurphy wrote: »

P
The shinners maybe should have put a partition up in the graveyard, seems like the lads (including a cabinet minister, a Supreme Judge and the head of the covid response) thought it was adequate for them?

But keep up the strawmanning - shows you for what you are time and again.

blanch152 · 25-08-2020 02:47PM

jm08 wrote: »

From what I understand, Bobby Storey would have a similar standing in SF as Michael Collins has in Fine Gael.
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I think that may say more about your understanding than anything else.

Pkiernan · 25-08-2020 02:49PM

Gerrys going to go spare!!

https://m.independent.ie/videos/katie-taylor-described-as-team-gb-olympian-on-sky-sports-39470911.html

Superfoods · 25-08-2020 03:02PM

Chiparus wrote: »

A couple of meaning two, ie a couple of hundred , meaning 200.

Where I am from a couple of hundred can be 2,3,4 hundred.....just a saying.....

Superfoods · 25-08-2020 03:04PM

McMurphy wrote: »

So first you though it was just people thought "Sinn Fein breaking rules is not an issue" and when that got blown away, it's straight back up, and carry-on with a different approach?

Can you pick a stance and try and stick with it, the room surely must be spinning at this stage too?

Can you answer a question? if the answer is no then why on you on here all day?

FrancieBrady · 25-08-2020 03:06PM

Superfoods wrote: »

Where I am from a couple of hundred can be 2,3,4 hundred.....just a saying.....

Can I work for you instead of the Shinners?

Lucky dip every week, a 'couple' of hundred is upwards of two hundred...cool!"

Bishop of hope · 25-08-2020 03:19PM

The posts, have been shifted lads and lassies.
Funerals are OK, rules don't apply.
Just golfing dinners.

FrancieBrady · 25-08-2020 03:24PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

The posts, have been shifted lads and lassies.
Funerals are OK, rules don't apply.
Just golfing dinners.

Rules only apply to SF funerals seems to be the point being made.

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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